Carville: "Obama has 1.2 million donors. That's not a donor base.. that's a POLITICAL PARTY."

[scheming daemons]

About mid-way through this video from the other day:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ACAOYv3DKk




The old lizard is evil, but he's dead on with regards to this.


Obama has changed the way politics works.... the lobbyists have less sway.... which is why the corporate media is now trying to destroy him. His style of politics, from their perspective, cannot be allowed to succeed.

Having politicians that get 90% of their money from sources OTHER than lobbyists puts K-Street out of business.



ON EDIT: THE OWNER OF THE VIDEO HAS TAKEN IT DOWN. I suspect that the owner is a Clinton supporter who became uncomfortable that Obama supporters were using Carville's words to Obama's benefit. Oh well.... sorry.

[mystieus]

1. We are taking our government back!

[Mme. Defarge]

6. Damn straight!

[ClayZ]

34. YEAH! K and R

:kick:

[populistdriven]

48. THE VIDEO IS STILL UP

[Yael]

2. Well, what can I say to that but

:woohoo:

[thunder rising]

3. Yep, and I second that statement. At 52 you'd think I know better than the buck the machine, but

here I am. gooooObama.

[Jawja]

66. Same here at 56....

:thumbsup:

GooooooooOBAMA.

[FogerRox]

79. 50, and voted Obama in the Feb 5th NJ Primary, GOBAMA !

[thoughtcrime1984]

4. 1.487 M and counting

It is time to regain at least a little bit of OUR gov't. Isn't it?

[Bonobo]

5. Most underated story of this campaign by far. K&R.

This is what Hillary will never have and what her supporters don't yet understand.

[EFerrari]

7. My $20 friends, we have ourselves a convoy!

:woohoo:

[chill_wind]

41. "and ain't she a beautiful sight! " :-) n/t

"Cause we gotta little ol' convoy, rockin' through the night
Yeah we gotta little ol' convoy, ain't she a beautiful sight?
Come on an' join our convoy, ain't nothin' gonna git in our way
We're gonna roll this truckin' convoy, cross the USA
Convoy... Convoy..."

[AllentownJake]

8. This is why

The elected super delegates will end up favoring him. Everyone wants access to his database of volunteers and donors.

[Cha]

9. And hilary in her infinite wisdom..

mocked us.

What? carville didn't call Joe Andrews "Benedict Arnold"?

[scheming daemons]

12. Actually.... Carville was funny and interesting in his talk at Hofstra..... very objective....

[Cha]

18. Sounds like he's been rebuked

for the moment.

[Nia Zuri]

10. if Obama wins, it would be akin to a bloodless coup

against the power that have controlled this country since 1913. This is what they're trying so desperately to stop.

[Cha]

13. If Obama wins..

The People win and our Country can begin its 180.

[1776Forever]

15. I agree totally with that analogy!

:thumbsup:

[krkaufman]

58. Ummm.... if Obama wins, it would be akin to an electoral victory

Of all things, it would NOT be a "coup" -- since he's simply winning an election. (I understand, I believe, the point you were trying to make, but calling an electoral win a "coup" diminishes the term's meaning.)

[solidguild]

62. Well, considering he'll be taking power from an unelected President

;)

[grantcart]

11. You can understand my amazement to be in complete agreement with Carville

That new party is the Democratic Party and the 1.5 million are the new bosses:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5801310&mesg_id=5801310

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

26. yep, its tough to agree with him after he went for Richardson's throat

and now I love Bill Richardson. Used to just like him, but he won me over BIG TIME!

[grantcart]

33. well the point of my thread was that it wasn't just a renunciation of Clinton

but Carville's strategy and tactics.

He should lecture now because his skill set is obsolete in the party.

I wonder how many DU Clinton supporters have seen this video?

When we say the exact same things they refuse to listen to us.

One Clinton supporter actually posted the video this morning lol

[cliffordu]

27. No kidding, I never thought I'd agree with the little shit.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

14. I was proud to canvass for Obama today

it was a great experience.

People were appreciative that someone cared enough about them to come
to their neighborhood and remind them to vote, give them information on Obama
and info on where and when to vote, plus a toll free number to call for help.

I told them that I was going door to door because I felt that Obama was a
once in a lifetime candidate, and wanted to do everything possible to
help him get elected.

[writes3000]

17. Wow, thank you so much for doing that.

I plan to do exactly that during the GE.

Thank you, thank you.

[K Gardner]

19. Thank you ! Very soon, we will ALL be canvassing together for the GE and Obama :-)

[mystieus]

23. Thank you so very much!

[Kittycat]

16. Damn straight. It's the re-energized progressive party, and

we're taking back our government.

[ShaneGR]

20. I watched the entire thing until he talked about Blackjack and Obama vs Clinton

He is very right at the start, and at the end when he broke into blackjack (and didn't even get the math right) he was way out in left field. I felt great for him first half, and sorry for him the second half.

[futureliveshere]

21. Aha.. The lizard speaketh the truth. Good catch!!

[Bensthename]

22. This Obama supporter still likes Carville.

Yah, I know all about him. I also know he is good to have on your/our team and he is funny as hell.

[SoFlaJet]

76. Before any Obama people decide that Carville is alright again

did you hear about what he said on CNN today?

Carville: If Hillary Gave Obama "One Of Her Cojones, They'd Both Have Two"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/politics/

[Exilednight]

24. He's way off on explaining the party a and party b Democrats. He must think......

everyone is stupid.

[scheming daemons]

25. I don't disagree with the theory that the Dem party has two, completely distinct "bases"..... but..

I think Obama is more likely to bring those two bases together than Clinton is.


Carville was seeming to hint that the best solution would be a joint ticket....though he didn't actually SAY that.

[Exilednight]

30. I don't dispute that there are two different parties. I dispute his explanation of the two ........

parties and who represents what.

I think there is a party who wants to look long term and put real solutions in place for real people. Then there is the other half of the party that wants to latch onto republican style economics and foreign policy and appease the masses by siding with Democrats on social issues. One side wants government to be accountable to the people, the other side wants people to be accountable to the government.

[4themind]

40. The republicans have two bases as well

The evangelicals and the free market/supply siders,arguably, whoever can unite their respective bases better, while also gathering up enough independents will the rule the day

[Exilednight]

63. Repugs have three legs to their party. The economical, which is a joke, ......

the religious, and the military. What they fail to realize is that the three often work against each other.

What the repugs don't have is three separate parties. There is no doubt that Democrats have two distinct parties under the tent.

[Jawja]

67. Yes, 2 parties:

Progressive Democrat and Republican Lite.

[sktmax]

28. Carville: "Obama has 1.2 million donors. Video has been remo ved

this video has been removed. I wonder why. I wonder if there is another video somewhere online. I was only able to read the above; but this is a huge statement given by a longtime Clintonite. This needs to be out more.

[DerekJ]

31. It's not I am watching it right now.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ACAOYv3DKk

[DerekJ]

29. He is right about one thing, there are two democratic parties.

[Thickasabrick]

32. Carville isn't stupid and knows how this will end. He might be able

to talk Hillary into accepting defeat before she commits political suicide.

[Triana]

35. YES. WE. CAN. n/t

[DerekJ]

36. About Wright: "This guy is a number 1 jerk. And I’ll tell you why I say that. He is trying to help

himself by hurting Obama. That’s a classic .. I mean come on that’s your friend; the guy is running for president. He’s like knifing him. I mean it doesn’t strike me as a very “pastorial” thing to do, if you will.

[me b zola]

37. The Clintons have tried to convince everyone

that they are the Democratic Party. It burns their asses that we are taking it back.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[scheming daemons]

38. kick

[4themind]

39. Self-del

-nt

[Spirochete]

42. Did he really say

that 15 plus a 7 was 24? No wonder I always lose at blackjack - I'm playing it wrong.

[Cheap_Trick]

43. Fuckin' A Right we're a political party,

Clownville....we're the mother fucking DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

[SoCalDem]

44. and if the SDs give it to HRC, they will have a new party too..

1/3 the size of the former one.. consisting of

[goclark]

45. and if they would get this Party started

in the right direction we will be able to give everyone their country back.

America has been held hostage and ironically, we have been held hostage by " a vast right wing conspiracy."

If she had just stuck to that message instead of jumping into the message, this world would be such a better place.

[grantcart]

46. link still working

[simmonsj811]

47. K&R

[progressoid]

49. Holy crap. I just rec'd a thread about Carville

What's the world coming to.

[file83]

50. The next thing you know there will be peace on Earth...

:wow:

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. Rapidly closing in on 1.5 million donors. Unheard of.....nt

:kick:

[defendandprotect]

75. Compared to registed Democrats across the nation . . . what percentage is that ??? Anyone know???

[Tarheel_Dem]

81. I couldn't begin to know. Grantcart, are you out there? If anyone knows

the facts and figures, it's Grant.

[defendandprotect]

82. These figures look rather old . . .

How many & % are republican, democrat & indepdent voters of all america ...
According to a study done in 2004 by the Pew Research Center, there are 33% of Amercians registered as Democrats, versus 29% registered as Repubs. (This leaves 38 ...
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071220064127AANoa9R

and the number for Dems seems very low . . .

We usually greatly outnumber them . . .
and it's only when Dems get into the voting booth that they decide to become Republicans!!! :sarcasm:

[BlooInBloo]

52. Yah fuckwit - it's called the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

[liberaldem4ever]

53. K&R

:kick:

[LittleClarkie]

54. A bit jealous, James darling?

He wishes he were still relevant.

[anigbrowl]

55. Am I the only person that thinks Carville looks like he's been possessed by Hunter S Thompson?

I still like him, in ways I can't define. Good speech here.

[BlooInBloo]

59. Put me down for Gollum...

[Coexist]

65. I'm in the gollum camp

his precioussssss Marly is morphing him into something unrecognizable.

[Lerkfish]

64. what an insult to Thompson

carville is a wormtongue. Thompson was a visionary.

[JohnnyCougar]

56. I like Carville, too. And I support Obama.

Carville is going to stick to his guns, and the Clinton's are his guns. But once the primary is over, I'd be shocked if he isn't going on every TV outlet defending Obama.

[krkaufman]

57. Just can't listen to the dude. I tried, but had to bail. He's so slimy. n/t

[knixphan]

60. K&R

[goletian]

61. doesnt help that he has openly taken a shot at cable news when on with chris matthews

[Scurrilous]

68. K & R

:thumbsup:

[MindMatter]

69. His party A Party B theory is bullshit

Clinton is no populist.

There is a Party A and a Party B, but it doesn't break along the lines he laid out. Party A is the group that has become very comfortable losing to Republicans, but winning enough to get the leftover scraps at the feeding trough. All they have to do is act like Republicans.

Party B is the group that believes in the bedrock issues that go back to the foundation of the Party.

In numbers, probably 80% of the common people would naturally put themselves in the B column, but usually it is not even an option because the A people have had control over the party apparatus. As remarkable and as welcome as Obama's campaign as been, it could not have been possible if we had not succeeded in getting Dean into the chairman slot. He has fundamentally changed the Party from the inside out.

In simple terms, Party A is the CLintons and the DLC. Party B is Dean, Obama and the 50-state movement.

Carville's view of the parties would make a lot more sense if his gang had not been so eager to cave into Republicans at every opportunity.

[defendandprotect]

73. Thanks for the insight ... so true . . . However, PartyA/DLC is being sponsored by corporations ...

to do the things they did --- limit turn out --- ignore election steals --- ignore many of the states --- not to run opposing candidates in many races --- and move the party to the RIGHT --!!!!

THAT's what the DLC is about . . . !!!

[uponit7771]

70. I'm going to be a small donor bundler for Obama, I know 20 family members that can do 25 dollars a..

..month for 2 months and if Obama reaches 2 million donors that will be waaaaay more money than McSame could ever DREAM about raising

[defendandprotect]

71. Didn't HOWARD DEAN first demonstrate this break-way, escape avenue ---- ?????

Picking up public donors --- citizens --- internet ???

[netgui68]

72. Video is here

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ACAOYv3DKk

[Fedja]

74. Carville makes me gag

But having listened to that, he's go things spot on for the most part. I wouldn't agree with the spit on Wright, but he's got a solid bird's eye view of the situation.

[Danger Mouse]

77. Yup, the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, baby! Whoo! Can i get a Dean Scream??

[Dems to Win]

78. Carville is a guttersnipe

The entire Clinton campaign has zero class. Get them off the stage.

James Carville: "If she gave him one of her cojones, they'd both have two."

I hope this ends all whining about sexism from the Clinton camp. All gutter comments about Hillary's vagina are fair game, after this. Unfortunately. Not a good day for feminists.

Indiana and North Carolina voters, end this now. Please.

Vote Obama. For civilization.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

80. That's An Awesome Statistic, Ain't It? So Encouraging To See That.