SHE NEVER READ THE INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE?

[Brundle_Fly]

BEFORE VOTING FOR WAR?

WTF is this true!!!!

[thunder rising]

1. Well, she did talk to Cheney, and other Republican leaders before she voted. That's just as good

ya'know.

[Brundle_Fly]

2. link me please, I am looking...

[FrenchieCat]

3. Yep.......

true.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/05/report_clinton_.html

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/25/204032.aspx

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Obama_Clinton_didn_t_have_the_experience_to_read_the_NIE

[MannyGoldstein]

4. You Mean The NIE That Said There Was No Direct Evidence Of WMD?

That one?

No, she didn't read it.

[Brundle_Fly]

8. I dont know what it said...

Just kinda seems like the due diligence you might take before voting for a WAR!

[TahitiNut]

11. Indeed. One WOULD think a law degree WOULD tell her about "due diligence."

Her's apparently didn't "take." I don't want that in a lawyer. Or a Senator. OR a President.

[Brundle_Fly]

17. I am a creative director...( an artist )

& I do due diligence for all my clients.

If my clients were a country.... my god.

[MannyGoldstein]

14. It Said That There Was No Direct Evidence Of WMD

Most Democrats in Congress voted against going to war, Clinton voted to attack.

[blogslut]

5. Nope

No. Nyet. Nein. No, she did not read the NIE.

[City Lights]

6. Here:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/few-senators-read-iraq-nie-report-2007-06-19.html

She's listed under "Did not read full report/could not recall."

[ellacott]

7. That's what's been reported

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/few-senators-read-iraq-nie-report-2007-06-19.html
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/05/25/204032.aspx

[Quixote1818]

9. She didn't need to because she is so experienced. Plus she slept at a Holiday Inn Express

the night before voting. :hurts:

[ClassWarrior]

31. LOL

She'll be ready on DAY ONE dammit, and not a moment sooner!!

:rofl:

NGU.

[DerekJ]

10. Yep. She'll make a great president.

:sarcasm:

[Quixote1818]

12. This shows that she makes decisions purely for political reasons

This goes hand an hand with this stupid gas tax thing. What a pandering jelly fish.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. Hillary Clinton Can't be Trusted on Iraq

When President Bush launched the invasion soon thereafter and spontaneous protests broke out across the country, Senator Clinton voted in favor of a Republican-sponsored resolution that "commends and supports the efforts and leadership of the President . . . in the conflict against Iraq."

During a trip to Iraq in February 2005, she insisted that the U.S. occupation was "functioning quite well," although the security situation had deteriorated so badly that the four-lane divided highway on flat open terrain connecting the airport with the capital could not be secured at the time of her arrival and a helicopter had to transport her to the Green Zone. Though 55 Iraqis and one American soldier were killed during her brief visit, she insisted -- in a manner remarkably similar to Vice President Cheney -- that the rise in suicide bombings was evidence that the insurgency was failing.

On NBC's "Meet the Press" that same month, she argued that it "would be a mistake" to immediately withdraw U.S. troops or even simply set a timetable for withdrawal, claiming that "We don't want to send a signal to insurgents, to the terrorists, that we are going to be out of here at some, you know, date certain." Less than two years ago, she declared, "I reject a rigid timetable that the terrorists can exploit." And, just last year, on an appearance on ABC's Nightline, she described how "I've taken a lot of heat from my friends who have said, ‘Please, just, you know, throw in the towel and say let's get out by a date certain. I don't think that's responsible." When Representative John Murtha made his first call for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq in November 2005, she denounced his effort, calling a withdrawal of U.S. forces "a big mistake.Senator Clinton also took credit for strengthening U.S. ties with Ahmad Chalabi, the convicted embezzler who played a major role in convincing key segments of the administration, Congress, the CIA, and the American public that Iraq still had proscribed weapons, weapons systems, and weapons labs. She has expressed pride that her husband's administration changed underlying U.S. policy toward Iraq from "containment" -- which had been quite successful in defending Iraq's neighbors and protecting its Kurdish minority -- to "regime change," which has resulted in tragic warfare, chaos, dislocation, and instability.

Prior to the 2003 invasion, Clinton insisted that Iraq still had a nuclear program, despite a detailed 1998 report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), subsequent studies that indicated that Iraq's nuclear program appeared to have been completely dismantled a full decade earlier, and a 2002 U.S. National Intelligence Estimate that made no mention of any reconstituted nuclear development effort. Similarly, even though Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs had been dismantled years earlier, she also insisted that Iraq had rebuilt its biological and chemical weapons stockpiles. And, even though the limited shelf life of such chemical and biological agents and the strict embargo against imports of any additional banned materials that had been in place since 1990 made it physically impossible for Iraq to have reconstituted such weapons, she insisted that "It is clear ... that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."

In the fall of 2002, Senator Clinton sought to discredit those questioning Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Vice-President Dick Cheney, and others who were making hyperbolic statements about Iraq's supposed military prowess by insisting that Iraq's possession of such weapons "are not in doubt" and was "undisputed." Similarly, Clinton insisted that Secretary of State Colin Powell's February 2005 speech at the UN was "compelling" although UN officials and arms control experts roundly denounced its false claims that Iraq had reconstituted these proscribed weapons, weapons programs, and delivery systems. In addition, although top strategic analysts correctly informed her that there were no links between Saddam Hussein's secular nationalist regime and the radical Islamist al-Qaeda, Senator Clinton insisted that Saddam "has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members."

http://www.alternet.org/audits/70416/?page=1

[TahitiNut]

24. Zunes' article lays it out very well. She's a LIAR on that as well.

"She now claims that it wasn't necessary for her to have actually read the 92-page document herself because she was briefed on the contents of the report. However, since no one on her staff was authorized to read the report, it's unclear who could have actually briefed her."

Lie! She's despicable.

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. Its a must read article ....... its the lying that gets me

which is one consistent character trait that should be apparent
to anyone that has paid attention to the Clintons and this evil regime and war.

[TahitiNut]

33. There's lying and there's lying. While I dislike all lying ...

... I find that lying due to moral cowardice and self-aggrandizement is among the worst. That's Hillary.

She LIES in an attempt to make it easier on herself ... to avoid standing up for core principles. I really doubt she has any.

[pompano]

45. I know....

but wouldn't you think a Resolution for War, where human beings die and others are gravely wounded, that it is not too much to ask of a United States Senator, to perhaps pencil in a little time to read something this important. This isn't like a public works project funding bill for 2026. It's a War. Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.

Despicable, you got that right.

[Elidor]

37. It's funny really

She was misled by faulty intelligence which she never bothered to read.

[canadian_is_cold]

15. Hillary Clinton Can't be Trusted. Period.

[Cha]

16. The 90 page NIE report?

No, she did not read it before voting "yes" on the IWR..she, of course, voted yes on the kyl lieberman bill, too, since she'd be willing to get herself into trouble by Rattlin' more Sabers with her pronouncement that she would Obliterate Iran.. Who even talks like that? Neocons??

[lligrd]

18. Was She Too Tired Or Was She Still Dodging Sniper Fire?

Has she ever given a reason for failing to do her job?

[Brundle_Fly]

19. OMG

She didn ’t read the National Intelligence Estimate,

Jay Rockefeller read it,

but she didn’t read it.

I don’t know what all that experience got her because in my experience if you have a National Intelligence Estimate and the

Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee

says,

You should read this, this is why I’m voting against the war

[Quixote1818]

20. Obama really needs to take this and run with it. This is embarrassing for Hillary and

tragic for our nation. She is a disgrace!

[FrenchieCat]

22. Wasn't Rockerfeller, was Sen. Bob Graham of Florida.

[otohara]

28. Actually....Rockefeller Voted Yes

Rockefeller voted to authorize IWR - Obama got this one wrong in a speech slamming Hillary for her vote. Rockefeller now states he regrets voting yes.
http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com/2008/03/barack-obama-praises-jay-rockefellers.html

[dansolo]

53. Obama was right

While he mentioned Jay Rockefeller (who voted yes, but at least he read the NIE), he was referring to Bob Graham, who was the chairman of the Intelligence Committee at the time.

[Avalux]

21. She didn't need to read it. She trusted Bush would do the right thing.

She claims she talked to people in the WH she trusted and they assured her Bush wouldn't go to war. x(

[TahitiNut]

25. That would make her a LIAR and a FOOL.

:shrug:

[Avalux]

29. Correct.

The Code Pink video from 2003 is infuriating to watch as she oh-so-confidently explains why Saddam should be removed from power and talks of trust in her fellow hawks.

[meow mix]

23. K&R

[futureliveshere]

26. She looked into bush's eyes and read his soul.

Bloody bunch of incompetent fucktards.

[Yael]

30. Reading is for losers. Photo ops after the Pretzeldent gives you the "scoop" is where its at

[Lucinda]

32. She was briefed by the people who wrote it.

[Brundle_Fly]

35. sez who?

her?

thats like watching the video instead of reading the book, think maybe they changed the ending?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

36. Unfortunately, those people didn't brief her on what was actually in the report.

Nice try there, but no.

It was her responsibility to know what was in the report.

[Brundle_Fly]

34. well I am sickened. eom

this stabs directly into the heart of the experience argument imo.

[Ravy]

38. Obama didn't read it either before forming his opinion.

At least she had a high-level briefing on it.

[bhikkhu]

40. The UN at that point had better information, entirely public

Nobody needed the NIE then - the stink of what was going on was everywhere if one had eyes and ears open.

[dbmk]

50. Because anyone with their eyes and ears open knew what was going on

The Bush administration is filled with people that has been advocating a war against Iraq since the mid 90's. The evidence for WMDs was hilariously weak. Must have been a professional low point for General Powell to do that show and dance for the UN.

If you thought the US administration made their case, you were not keeping yourself sufficiently informed.

[Blarch]

51. Oh please.

[krkaufman]

39. That is correct. But only 6 Senators did read it, so she wasn't alone in negligence.

Sen. Bob Graham pleaded with his fellow Senators to read the full, 92-page classified NIE, which differed considerably from the filtered unclassified version, but so many failed to do so -- including both the Senators on the Democratic ticket last time around, both of whom also voted for the war.

Personally, my belief is that if we say we want to hold accountable those who led us into this disastrous war, then we cannot only go after Republicans. Some blame lies at the feet of our Democratic leaders.

[AllentownJake]

41. What she read was the polling

Where most Americans thought that Iraq attacked us with Al Quaeda and did the politcally expedient thing and voted for the war thinking it would be a success. She thought this would make her look tough for her eventual Presidential run. Kind of gratifying that doing the wrong thing was rewarded in this case.

[SKKY]

42. No, she did not. She got "briefed" about it.

[intaglio]

43. It's OK

She was lying when she said she hadn't read it ...

[WilliamPitt]

44. She should have read my book.

I mailed her a copy, along with her 99 playmates.

Tried.

[cali]

48. 23 of those "playmates" did just fine without yr book, Will.

[WilliamPitt]

52. 28 short

*sigh*

I know.

[thevoiceofreason]

46. K&R

[MyNameGoesHere]

47. Wow. Did your hibernation period just end?

Or is this a faux OMG moment to post something that has been known and talked about over and over and over and...

[Brundle_Fly]

60. Sorry

Canadian

[Brundle_Fly]

61. Sorry

Canadian

[ecdab]

49. She don't need no stinking expert opinions - just look at the Clinton/McCain gas tax holiday.

Like Bush, Hillary thinks with her gut, not her brain.

[cornermouse]

54. I stand corrected.

Bush either withheld vital information on several votes or only delivered several volumes of information about an hour before the vote. It's easy to remember because I was so angry about it at the time. That said, it is still more accurate to lay the blame at Bush's feet on this one.

[Window]

55. Shameful and sad, but true.

[meow mix]

56. K&R for the dead and maimed

:grr:

[Quixote1818]

57. Kick

[dcindian]

58. She probably just figured we would obliterate them and all of this would be

cleared up by now for her run for president. Hey whats a few hundred thousand dead Iraqis men, women, and children.... It's not like their rich people or anything.

[Johnny__Motown]

59. Common knowledge, yep... she admitted it long ago

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

62. No. But, she did read the all-important polls.

And, voting for the war seemed like the "smart" political thing to do.

Either that, or she's just plain stupid.

[Phx_Dem]

63. She was too busy

trying to increase her testicular fortitude to be bothered with such nonsense. We don't need no stinking intelligence estimate.