Would Obama and HRC supporters agree on this?

[Ken Burch]

Whatever else we can say about this nomination process, wouldn't we be having a better and more high-minded discourse right now if there were 500 Kucinich delegates holding the balance of power and HRC and Obama were having to appeal to THEIR agenda?

I ask this as someone who is now and will remain an Obama supporter.

[Secret_Society]

1. That's kind of why I wanted Edwards to stay in.

I foresaw this race being this close and thought if he stayed in for Super Tuesday he could play a significant role in choosing the nominee and setting the platform. Also, we would be talking a lot more about health care and poverty.

[sandnsea]

2. No

I think Obama is just as high-minded as Dennis Kucinich, as are his supporters.

[mtnsnake]

3. DLC Obama wouldn't make a pimple on Dennis's ass

Who the hell are you kidding.

[Spider Jerusalem]

5. You say THAT, and yet you support Hillary Clinton???

Amazing cognitive dissonance.

[mtnsnake]

6. HRC is a member. Obama is the most DLCish candidate, just not a card carrying member

He sports all the bells and whistles of the DLC without officially joining.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. You make very little sense, and what you're saying sounds really ridiculous

how can he possibly be 'the most DLCish' candidate when you admit Hillary is a MEMBER? Logic, young grasshopper. I know it doesn't come naturally, but practise and you'll get there eventually.

[mtnsnake]

9. Ridiculous you say? Try this

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html

From a year ago:

DailyKos straw poll shows shows Kossacks prefer John Edwards 37% to Obama’s 27% with Wesley Clark a distant third at 14% (the Blogometer has checked these numbers at 6K, 13K ,and 16K votes and there has been no change in the %s). Netroots ambivalence towards Obama’s candidacy seems to stem from two related sources: 1) his perceived centrist/Liebermanesque/DLC rhetoric; 2) and his inability/refusal to lead take the lead on a major progressive issue (especially the war).

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/01/obama_wire_the.html

The DLC doesn’t necessarily pre-select candidates, but they do keep an eye out for possibilities. Obama has been on their watch-list for some time. Now that they see his sex appeal, they may rally behind him. He could be Hillary without the polarizing effect, a real possibility to hold the office.

http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/

Add to that his DLC campaign theme of "reaching out to Republicans" and it doesn't take long to see who the real DLC candidate is if you're willing to read between the lines.

[Spider Jerusalem]

10. Reaching out to Republicans?

You mean like Hillary's implicit endorsement of John McCain over Obama? That kind of reaching out to Republicans?

[mtnsnake]

12. Now you're changing the subject. The links I provided say plenty. n/t

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. The links you provided are all from January of last year

Which is far less recent than Senator Clinton's implicit endorsement of John McCain. Which is NOT changing the subject, by the way; I don't think either Clinton OR Obama represent the left; they're both centrists, but Clinton is ever so slightly further right than Obama is, and has demonstrated a decided willingness to pander on specific issues if it'll get her any traction. She's been running to the right in this primary; 'obliterate Iran'. for example.

[mtnsnake]

18. January of last year is relevant, especially considering the subject

Anyway, I've shown you that Obama is as DLCish, arguably more, than Hillary, only Obama isn't a card carrying member. That aside, for you or anyone else to say that Obama approaches any kind of similarity to Dennis Kucinich is simply outrageous, but go ahead and keep convincing yourself otherwise.

[Spider Jerusalem]

24. I've never made ANY comparison of Obama to Dennis Kucinich.

(Oh, and Obama is electable; Kucinich isn't.)

[TheDonkey]

13. welcome to the world of most Hillary supporters

:rofl:

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[JVS]

26. It's like expecting us to believe that the president of the hair club for men isn't even a member!

[JVS]

25. Obama: secret DLCer and secret Muslim.

[Radical Activist]

28. Obama and Kucinich are much closer than you realize.

Obama is far from DLC. He will be the first left wing movement activist the party has ever nominated. There are good reasons Kucinich supported him in the Iowa caucus instead of Edwards this year.

[Ken Burch]

4. I'm not saying this as a slam on Obama.

It's about where the discussion is vs. where it could be.

And of course Obama's supporters are as high-minded as Dennis.

[sandnsea]

7. As long as people babble after the media

We'll end up with nonsensical campaigns like this.

[onehandle]

15. Ha ha ha!

[Ken Burch]

16. Why would Gravel be considered "libertarian right"?

Is that based mainly on his support of a flat tax?

[Exilednight]

22. Never trust those tables. They tell a partial story and are open to subjectivity........

if that table was a real reflection, then Paul would be down to the lower right. It's also next to impossible to tell upon what criteria the person making the table used.

[grantcart]

11. I'd prefer that he listened to Kucinich carefully after the GE

[Ken Burch]

17. That would be good as well, of course.

n/t.

[Perry Logan]

20. Dennis is great.

[WeDidIt]

21. I most certainly CANNOT agree with that

In a situation like that, McCain would definitely win.

[Buzz Clik]

23. No. I can see no reason why that would be true.

[dorktv]

27. I always felt that Rep. Kuncinich knew he was not going to go anywhere. Which is really sad.

So I can agree with that.