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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:14 PM
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Oprah knew something wasn't Wright
Something Wasn’t Wright
Why Oprah Winfrey left Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church.

By Allison Samuels | NEWSWEEK


any spiritually minded, up-wardly mobile African-American living in Chicago in the mid-1980s, the Trinity United Church of Christ was—and still is—the place to be. That's what drew Oprah Winfrey, a recent Chicago transplant, to the church in 1984. She was eager to bond with the movers and shakers in her new hometown's black community. But she also admired Trinity United's ambitious outreach work with the poor, and she took pride in upholding her Southern grandmother's legacy of involvement with traditional African-American houses of worship. Winfrey was a member of Trinity United from 1984 to 1986, and she continued to attend off and on into the early to the mid-1990s. But then she stopped. A major reason—but by no means the only reason—was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

According to two sources, Winfrey was never comfortable with the tone of Wright's more incendiary sermons, which she knew had the power to damage her standing as America's favorite daytime talk-show host. "Oprah is a businesswoman, first and foremost," said one longtime friend, who requested anonymity when discussing Winfrey's personal sentiments. "She's always been aware that her audience is very mainstream, and doing anything to offend them just wouldn't be smart. She's been around black churches all her life, so Reverend Wright's anger-filled message didn't surprise her. But it just wasn't what she was looking for in a church." Oprah's decision to distance herself came as a surprise to Wright, who told Christianity Today in 2002 that when he would "run into her socially … she would say, 'Here's my pastor!' " (Winfrey declined to comment. A Harpo Productions spokesperson would not confirm her reasons for leaving the church.)

But Winfrey also had spiritual reasons for the parting. In conversations at the time with a former business associate, who also asked for anonymity, Winfrey cited her fatigue with organized religion and a desire to be involved with a more inclusive ministry. In time, she found one: her own. "There is the Church of Oprah now," said her longtime friend, with a laugh. "She has her own following."

Friends of Sen. Barack Obama, whose relationship with Wright has rocked his bid for the White House, insist that it would be unfair to compare Winfrey's decision to leave Trinity United with his own decision to stay. " reasons for attending Trinity were totally different,'' said one campaign adviser, who declined to be named discussing the Illinois senator's sentiments. "Early on, he was in search of his identity as an African-American and, more importantly, as an African-American man. Reverend Wright and other male members of the church were instrumental in helping him understand the black experience in America. Winfrey wasn't going for that. She's secure in her blackness, so that didn't have a hold on her.'' And while Winfrey, who has endorsed Obama and campaigned on his behalf, had long understood the perils of a close association with Wright, friends say she was blindsided by the pastor's personal assault on Obama. "She felt that Wright would never do anything to hurt a man who looked up to him as a father figure," said her close friend. "She also never thought he'd intentionally hurt someone trying to make history and change the lives of so many people.''

http://www.newsweek.com/id/135392
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:17 PM
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1. Anyone "following" Oprah is a dingbat.
Go to YouTube and search "Oprah's Church" or "Oprah's Church Exposed"

She's a certifiable nutcase.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:18 PM
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2. Well yeah, I agree, but she knew enough to run for business reasons. nt
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:50 PM
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33. True.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:21 PM
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40. Oprah strongly supports Obama so this is all blather
sorry, but not a home run.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:26 PM
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42. ha, she has been mysteriously absent since the Wright issure broke--and don't
tell me its a scheduling problem.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:26 PM
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8. I'm glad that you are a fellow Clinton supporter,
but I disagree with you on this. I love the book "A New Earth" and her classes. They will help awaken many people. In one of the classes it was stated that women awaken much faster and easier than men. I don't support Clinton just because she is a woman, but it helps.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:51 PM
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34. Yeah...I wake up pretty slowly...especially when I'm hung over.
:D
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:29 PM
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10. Why is she
a certifiable nut case?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:43 PM
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15. Spoken just like an Old Dominionist.
:eyes:
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:01 PM
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19. I must have all the Dominionists on "Ignore" :)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:00 PM
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35. Shame
you are missing out.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:20 PM
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39. cut ur bs,she's no nutcase. what the hell are all ur so called heroes
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:07 PM
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57. Cut the BS phone text message type. Type man, type!!!
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:19 PM
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3. I realize that now that you can use Oprah against Obama she's not quite as
"yucky" as Senator Clinton supporters wanted her to be. Isn't it convenient that this article showed up? :eyes:

This is another non story of many but use it to the best of your ability to try and target an innocent man for going to church.

What will happen when Keith Olbermann says something negative about Senator Obama or his pastor, will he be back "in" again too?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:15 PM
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37. "to try and target an innocent man for going to church" LOL!
Sweetie, religion was the last of his reasons for being there. Tell me, why didn't he go to the church his white grandparents went to? You know, the people who raised him when he was abandoned by his parents?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:22 PM
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51. Let's see,
because he wasn't "white enough" to fit in. Have you ever noticed that bi-racial (black and white)people almost always ended up being qualified as "black". In the "olden" days on the census any mixed black and white person was classified as black.

Go read all about how easy it was to be a person of color in the white world. You're only showing me how little you know about recent history, not to mention the lack of understanding or concern about personal choices for people of color.

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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:27 PM
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55. What a nasty thing to say.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:21 PM
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4. Isn't this the same turdage that was tossed on the wall here
months ago?? No? It is SOOOOO close to something else cut and pasted about Oprah and that church, I think the article might be a little less than fresh, if you get my drift...

Ah well....Don't matter, it takes Obama to task by proxy, shows a little fake concern, slimes Wright and wastes one of MassDemm posts. A good day, all in all.

Too bad it doesn't add to the body of knowledge around here that will do anyone any real good in defeating the Old Man this fall.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:24 PM
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5. Obama said in his most recent speech regarding Wright...
that he realizes that he didn't really know Wright. This article begs the question: If Oprah figured out Wright after only two years of belonging to his church, how is it that Obama didn't know him after twenty years. Obama is running on his good judgement, but this is NOT good judgement. If elected he will be picking a cabinet of people to work with him. How can he pick good, trustworthy people if he obviously doesn't have whatever it takes to really know someone.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:26 PM
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7. one of the same questions I have been asking. it is simply NOT credible for peter barack obama
to say he didn't know what the good rev was preaching (according to a number of ministers in the area who were asked about this, the good rev's views and sermons were very well known)
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:38 PM
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12. That's right...
either Obama is lying or he's just plain dense! Either way, it's not good.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:18 PM
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38. You're discounting the power of love.
I'm pretty sure, judging by the charm of her statements, it was sweet Michele who liked this church and its pastor. But who wants to say, "It was my wife's idea"? Particularly when running for president against a former First Lady.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:24 PM
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6. had peter barack obama simply said, "you need to know what african-americans, especially
in the inner cities, are feeling and saying, which is what rev. wright is preaching. yes, it's incendiary and uncomfortable, but it is the truth." I might have had a reasonable amount of admiration for him. but, once again, obama is distancing himself from parts of himself, and asking us to believe the absurd (that he wasn't aware of these more incendiary sermons) very sad.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:36 PM
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11. he only knows how to pander. that is all he does, cause with all the words, he really doesn't say
that much.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:22 PM
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41. are you ignorant ,do you know about US politics ?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:29 PM
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44. obama did not get OUTRAGED until Wright told him he was a politician who would say anything
to get elected. then the shi* hit the fan for Obama.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:27 PM
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9. Someone else's ass was glued to a pew obviously.
"Friends of Sen. Barack Obama, whose relationship with Wright has rocked his bid for the White House, insist that it would be unfair to compare Winfrey's decision to leave Trinity United with his own decision to stay. " reasons for attending Trinity were totally different,'' said one campaign adviser, who declined to be named discussing the Illinois senator's sentiments."

Who is that guy up there yelling? Can't he tell I'm working the room for votes?

Oprah is her own religion. "The Church of A Million Little Pieces".
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:48 PM
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17. That makes sense.
Oprah is in a business where it is not required or necessary to be a Christian. Obama, on the other hand, had ambitions to be president (from the time he was in kindergarten, I've heard) so he stayed a member, even though he didn't attend enough to know what the hell this guy was saying, because he knew that a 20 year membership to a Christian church would look really good on his resume to run for president.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:50 PM
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18. Sometimes I wonder if Oprah may not be a bad VP for Hillary. She's smarter than both Obamas.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:39 PM
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13. So Oprah has better judgement than Obama, big deal. n/t
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:42 PM
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14. Well, since his whole campaign is based on his judgement, this might lift some eyebrows. nt
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 12:43 PM
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16. Well...yes!
If Obama is running on his good judgement then it is a big deal.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:02 PM
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20. Yes she has better judgement than him! It's not like he's running for President!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:08 PM
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21. Most of you have missed this sentence
"Early on, he was in search of his identity as an African-American and, more importantly, as an African-American man. Reverend Wright and other male members of the church were instrumental in helping him understand the black experience in America."

Historically, whites have always sat in judgment of blacks - and now they are doing it again. As far as whites are concerned, there is no such thing as trying to walk a hundred miles in someone else's shoes.

In my life, I have had associations with people who I regard as family - both family members and people who are like family. I do not agree with some of what they say - in fact some are prejudiced - but after stating very clearly why I don't agree, I would not distance myself from these people. Obama was correct the first time - Wright is like an uncle who has different opinions. Unfortunately, Wright threw Obama under the bus.

With respect to judgment, after listening to both candidates, Obama is far superior in many judgments he has made. Both have made mistakes, they are human after all. But Wright is not responsible for anything close to the carnage that has happened in Iraq in BOTH THE BUSH AND CLINTON administrations.



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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:15 PM
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22. Well Wright disputes that premise with his wiggly fingers "voodoo."
So Revy was instrumental huh? Not from what I heard at the NPC fiasco/circus.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:37 PM
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30. that would be the part about throwing under the bus
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:42 PM
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32. I didn't miss it,
Edited on Sun May-04-08 02:43 PM by Ronnie
but what hit me is he was trying to learn how to be an African American. Sad, actually. Did he learn the right things? (Pun accidental)
Years ago, friends of mine in South America adopted a set of Black twins. I lost track of them when they moved back to the States. I've always wondered what happened to those kids.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:18 PM
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23. More sqawking from this poster. Oprah?
I don't think she OR Rev Wright are on the ballot this time.

If you hear differently, give us all a heads-up, won't you?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:54 PM
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24. heads up, oprah supports O, and oprah knew to leave, why didn't O?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:57 PM
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25. Why do you enjoy pastorbating so much ? nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 01:59 PM
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26. Heads up -- it's none of our goddam business.
There's this notion the Founders had about separation of church and state.

Despite your shit-for-brains arguments to the contrary.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:00 PM
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52. This is the smartest post in this whole thread!
You are exactly right! Our elected officials are suppose to represent all of us. There are many religions in our country as well as those who chose to practice no religion. Why do they all think they have to flaunt their Christianity in order to prove they have the right values to run for president. As a non-christian it annoys the hell out of me. I would just as soon not know what religion or church Obama belonged to. But if he is out there using it to enhance his electability, then it's fair game.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:05 PM
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27. She didn't leave just because of the Pastor
She also has differences with the Christian faith. If you follow Oprah's journey you can find many things to criticize about her choices of worship.

That church still has a membership of over 8,000 members. There are still many professionals and politicians who go to that church.

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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:12 PM
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28. They would not sign onto a "Pastor Makover" episode of her show.
That did it for her.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:26 PM
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29. pretty lame
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 02:38 PM
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31. simple simon language
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:36 PM
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45. Oprah is not running for President, wake up. Why should Obama
leave when he is winning?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:12 PM
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36. Hmmm.
""Early on, he was in search of his identity as an African-American and, more importantly, as an African-American man. Reverend Wright and other male members of the church were instrumental in helping him understand the black experience in America. Winfrey wasn't going for that. She's secure in her blackness, so that didn't have a hold on her.''

Oprah is secure in her "blackness" because she's lived it. Barry had to be taught. And he chose to be taught by the angry Wright.

Did you all catch the nasty swipes at Oprah, btw? She left the church for business reasons? But Obama stayed for reasons that were "totally different." Maybe not so much.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 03:28 PM
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43. i guess it wasn't so difficult to hear the sermons that obama said he never heard. hmmmm
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:35 PM
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46. Nothing personal, just business. n/t
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:51 PM
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47. Why is anyone's religion relevant to our election? I hate this!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:53 PM
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48. You assume a lot from "fatigue with organized religion."
:crazy:
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:54 PM
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49. So, you guys meet up and coordinate this
don't you?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 04:58 PM
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50. Wow, Oprah left a church she didn't like!
Call the cops! Alert the press!

I left my church last year over theological and stylistic difference and no body plastered it all over the news.

She did the same thing, something that all americans are entitled to.

Get over it.
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:09 PM
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53. It's irrelevant
Obama was an organizer and Wright had an organization. I'm sick of this. People change. I doubt if Wright had the world stage to play on now before Obama's presidential bid. Now he is taking advantage, and others are taking advantage of this opportunity. The Moyers interview was great, what happened with the others. Could it be they were directed in "certain" ways?

It's nothing but an attempt to discredit Obama. How many Catholics actually subscribe to the dictates of the Catholic church...but they stay?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:23 PM
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54. How many churches are there in Chicago, population 3 million?
There is a difference between disagreeing with a church on condom use and going to a church that says "god damn America" and thrives on racial division--especially if your candidacy is premised on "unity" and you claim you uniquely can usher in a post-racial era. Obama would endorse one thing on Sunday, say a completely different thing in Monday.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:31 PM
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56. There is also a big difference between saying "God Damn America" in a politically charged
sermon and thriving on racial division. What evidence do you have that the survival of this church is based on racial division??? Some excerpts from a few sermons?

"Obama would endorse one thing on Sunday, say a completely different thing in Monday." Give me just one example of such a dramatic flip flop on his part. Just one.
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