Strange how we keep hearing that Wright will be a campaign issue so it's fair game here.

[last1standing]

Yet when someone brings up Bill Clinton's affair with a young intern we're told it's out of bounds and too low to be discussed.

If what we're talking about with Wright is the PERCEPTION that Obama is connected with him, then why is it not acceptable to talk about the fact that the repubs would hammer away 24/7 at Hillary for bringing back someone who was caught staining the dress of the hired help? They are frothing at the chance to bring up the fact that Bill was impeached and that he lied to the American People on Television "I did not have sexual relations with that woman - Monica Lewinsky".

Personally, I supported Bill through that entire debacle. I didn't care then and I don't care now who he has sex with as it's none of my, or your, business. However, if we're going to talk perception then I think we need to go over this very thoroughly as the repubs certainly will if Hillary somehow gets the nomination. Especially when, true or not, the repubs come out with a few more "bimbo explosions".

Does anyone really think that this won't become issue #1 for the repubs? And does anyone really think that the "low information voters" that Hillary has been so popular with won't dig into the self-righteousness of it?

[niyad]

1. and let's see, how long ago was that affair? how current is wright?

[last1standing]

2. Bill has had affairs stretching back longer than Obama knew Wright.

So do you really want that back on page one of the tabloids?

[PoliticalAmazon]

35. Bill is CURRENTLY involved in an affair: Belinda Stronach....

...That makes it EXTREMELY relevant.

We already saw the country torn apart because Bill put the best interests of his dick ahead of the best interests of our country, starting one affair while he was being investigated for another one with claims of sexual harassment.

[last1standing]

38. Is there proof of that?

If so then supporting Hillary is tantamount to voting for the repub.

[PoliticalAmazon]

42. Proof? Look up her name. There is a lot of information online...

This relationship has been going on since around 2003. She claims they are "just friends."

The long-term reports of a relationship, however, are concerning because in the past Bill Clinton became involved in one affair while still being investigated for sexual harassment as a result of a previous sexual overture to Paula Jones.

With our country in the shape it is, can we afford another four years of Bill Gone Wild in the White House?

We've seen on the campaign trail that Bill Clinton seems less in control of his impulses and reactions than he was before. It this translates to his sexual impulses, having the Clintons in the White House might prove to be the coffin nails for our country.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. I'm sure your evidence will be forthcoming

[TahitiNut]

43. I'd "do her" (Quote: As she says, “I’m a doer.”)

http://image.motortrend.com/f/car-news/this-ought-to-spice-things-up-at-chrysler/6339595+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/belinda-stronach-and-bill-clinton.jpg

http://www.torontolife.com/features/the-belinda-stronach-defense/

[Johnny__Motown]

3. Well, if you talk about him being in the Church for 20 years it is a 10 years ago to 20 years ago

comparison

with the affair being the more current event

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. But as every Pastorbator like you knows, niyad

It's not really satisfying Pastorbating, unless you bring up the fact that Wright has been Obama's pastor for 20 years!

20 years! And he performed his marriage and baptized his children! For 20 years!

That kinda makes it an old story.

[VolcanoJen]

7. Which affair are we talking about?

Bill's been humiliating Hillary for well longer than twenty years. But, on noes, we're not allowed to talk about that, are we?

[Eurobabe]

8. Still, it's a matter of judgment, what's "fair is fair"

we can play this game too. At least Barack wasn't MARRIED to Jeremiah. Hilly on the other hand, well....

[loyalsister]

27. Obama sat in the pews for 20 years

The fox question for Hillary: Hillary stayed in the marriage with a known philanderer for how many years? Would she maintain relationships with others who betray her? What does that say about what kind of diplomat she might be?

Why do people not think it could not be revisited? The fact that they are still married makes it current.

[BlooInBloo]

4. There's nothing unexpected here. Obama has to answer for anything said by any black person....

... This is America we live in, after all.

[ikojo]

6. Other issues the pugs will swiftboat Hillary

about include

The Rose Law Firm
Vince Foster and her relationship to him, did he "really" commit suicide?
Mena Arkansas...Jerry Falwell sold videos alleging that it was a stop on major drug runs, supported by Bill Clinton.
Multiple bimbo eruptions
Why was Bill Clinton in Moscow in the late 1960s and was he a major leader in the anti Viet Nam war movement (THAT would make him and Hillary MORE attractive to me).
Was Bill Clinton convicted of rape?
Was he accused of rape?
The list of those close Clinton associates who allegedly died mysteriously during the Clinton administrations will make its appearance again...ugh.

If Hillary manages to finagle the nomination, it wont be just she who is swift boated, but it will be Bill Clinton as well She's running on the record of that administration so she will be subject to whatever the pugs throw at her.

There is no better fund raiser for the right wing than Bill and Hillary Clinton! They are chomping at the bit for their return to a presidential campaign.

[last1standing]

9. It's all bullshit, but it's all bullshit that will be pushed day after day.

And all the "low information voters" that Hillary is now winning will be target #1 for it. With the great likelihood that African American voters would have a low turnout due to the Clinton's racebaiting attacks on Wright, there isn't much of a base for her left other than women, yet women would likely be very turned off by Bill's escapades.

[ikojo]

12. I'm a working class Jewish woman

and I support Barack Obama. I am turned off by Hillary's pandering and flip flopping. She's played the G-d card and now she's playing the guns card. She can't play the gays card without alienating the GLTBQ community who supports her and her husband despite Don't Ask Dont' Tell and DOMA. Oy vey!!

[last1standing]

20. She would dump the GLBT community in the General.

They're just too small a group compared with the "low information voters" who support DOMA and anything anti-gay in general.

The problem is that repubs can sell hate better than a Dem. Even a Dem-lite like Hillary.

[DeeDeeNY]

10. Not to mention Kazakhstan

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/P/Philanthropy&_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=all&adxnnlx=1209381673-PR4G2zUOZgORgqMMLoYFlg

[ikojo]

14. The Clintons are totally all about

nepotism and cronyism. They reward their huge donors at the expense of working class people

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

snip

Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

snip

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

[boston bean]

11. No, I say discuss it all you want. nt

[last1standing]

16. OK. Do you think the Clinton campaign can get around those hits?

And if so, how?

How does Hillary respond when the repubs allege more affairs since 2000? True or not, the public is likely to be predisposed to believe them.

What does Hillary say when Juanita Broaddrick comes back to the forefront with rape charges now that Bill had to settle the Paula Jones suit? He lied about Lewinsky and settled with Jones, why should people believe him about Broaddrick? I know it's a bullshit charge, but that will be the way the question is raised on all the news shows and the papers, and the radio jokes, and the e-mail blasts, and the late night talk shows, etc...

[patrice]

13. The dynamics of it are very strange. HC definitely has some "man hating" supporters, so it's weird

that her candidacy will definitely ALSO be about Bill. Then, when you add in voters who aren't quite so extreme in their misanthropy, but DO harbor old grudges against various powers that be (which happen usually also to be male), it's hard to tell what is going to happen with these folks. I wonder if McCheney, to them, seems old enough NOT to be a male threat; certainly he's nothing New and therefore challenging, so it appears that at least some of this doesn't work for either HC or BHO, though BHO IS at least NEW and has a strong and articulate woman behind him, while McCheney's woman is a wealthy "hot house flower" who probably can't speak more than 10 unscripted words on her own, but then maybe she'll get the pity vote for having had a stroke. Folk LOVE to pity the wealthy.

Just brainstroming here; I have NO idea how all of this parses out. :crazy:

[goldcanyonaz]

15. So, you want Wright to still be a topic in 10 years?

[last1standing]

17. So you want Bill's affairs to be a topic in 10 years?

Your post makes no sense.

[goldcanyonaz]

19. That affair was over 10 years ago, that is my point many still bring it up

[last1standing]

23. But you're insinuating that they won't be in 20 more with Bill.

And that's just not the case. True or not, the repubs will push any publicity seeker who is willing to claim that Bill hit on her out into the forefront. The Scaife (or a new version) machine will come back to life in order to make certain that every possible lead is fully investigated and all the salacious details are in bold print at the check-out aisle.

[goldcanyonaz]

25. No, I guess you don't understand what I am trying to say

Let us say that Michelle Obama wishes to run for Senate in 10 years. Would you find it fair to bring up Wright in 10 years to be used against here? I do not bring up Wright, I find the man offensive but I wish it would just go away, we have discussed it ad nausea now. It is a dead issue to me now.

[last1standing]

26. It would be fair if there was another primary candidate and Michelle was using bullshit issues.

That's my point. One side is using a fake scandal about Obama's ex-pastor stating that he will be torn apart by it in the general election. These same people freak out if anyone claims that Bill Clinton's past affairs would be used by the repubs to much greater effect.

If Hillary's proponents really believe she has a chance at the nomination they should be willing to discuss how the Clinton camp will deal with "bimbo eruptions" past and present.

[patrice]

22. That won't happen, except amongst the two, "White" and "Black", Racist groups and they are

a (statistically) dying breed locked in a mutually assured death struggle that the rest of us WILL do our best to avoid.

[kwenu]

18. He'll be an issue but a really weak pathetic one. Wright is already on the overplayed list.

I think getting him out the way has been a tremendous advantage for Obama.

[last1standing]

21. I disagree about Bill's affairs. People love a good sex story.

Especially when the guy doing it is a charismatic. It sold in the 90's and it'll sell in 2008.

[kwenu]

24. I agree but it will sell because it isn't in rotation yet.

[PoliticalAmazon]

37. Especially if it is current, the woman is blond, a billionaire, and...

...an ambitious Canadian politician: Belinda Stronach.

[meow mix]

28. race baiting is A-OK on DU.

i guess..
not sure if this is a progressive forum anymore.

[last1standing]

29. Sad that a progressive minister who supports gay rights is bashed.

But an ex-president who signed DOMA is off-limits.

[NNN0LHI]

30. Did you forget that McCain is currently married to his former drug addicted mistress?

Won't be any talk of any affairs from the Republicans if they know whats good for them.

Don

[last1standing]

31. Really? How would that get out when the media already knows it and refuses to use it?

That story already had it's day (literally one day) in the sun and now all the repub media will claim it's old news while Clinton's affairs sell.

That's just the sad truth of how it works today.

[NNN0LHI]

32. I see now. That "someone" you didn't identify in your OP is the media. Oh, OK

I thought it was the Repigs who you thought would be stupid enough to make marital infidelity an issue in this election.

Because they won't.

I guess we both agree on that?

Edit: Wait a minute you did write this in your OP: Does anyone really think that this won't become issue #1 for the repubs?

So you do think the Repigs will bring this up after all? You are kidding here right?

Don

[last1standing]

33. We don't agree at all. The repubs WILL bring it up 24/7.

But the media will not play the McCain stuff. Or do you think the media will be "fair and balanced" in the fall like it was for the primaries?

[NNN0LHI]

34. The Repigs would bring it up 24/7 and Clinton would not respond accordingly?

Is that what you are suggesting here?

Put it in the ashtray and back away.

Don

[last1standing]

36. I'm saying the media wouldn't cover it like they would Bill.

And thanks for devolving this into personal insults. That really shows your character.

[TLM]

40. When you dare to treat Hillary with the same standard she uses on Obama...

this is what happens...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5812504

[TLM]

41. For the sake of clarification... I do not care if Bill has AFFAIRS.

He can be going to wild orgies for all I care. I do not give two craps about Bill's sex life or whatever arrangement he has with Hillary regarding sexual behavior. That's their business.


What I do care about is when a boss bangs his subordinate employee in the workplace to the point where other employees feel they have to step in and have her transfered.

If obama can be held accountable for what right said because he did not leave the church, then Hill can be held accountable for what Bill DID because she did not leave him and she hired him to work on her campaign.


Let me say that again.... SHE HIRED HIM TO WORK ON HER CAMPAIGN.

She hired a man with a history of sexual harassment in the workplace to work for her.



How is it unfair or wrong to hold her to the wright standard regarding Bill?