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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:00 PM
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Curious that everyone complaining about Rev Wright
Edited on Sun May-04-08 05:10 PM by supernova
Probably haven't set foot inside a church of any description in many years.

If you're so upset about him, what have you done to forward the cause of progressive christianity or the progressive aspects of your religion? Hmm?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:03 PM
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1. It's amazing to read all this "indignation"
A few months ago any mention of religion was met with scorn on this board. Many of these people care nothing about religion. They just see an issue that they can try and use against their opposing candidate.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:09 PM
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6. Yes,
They see Obama winning, so suddenly a preacher who sometimes says upsetting things becomes a hot potato.

It's certainly not motivated by wanting to improve theology.


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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:45 PM
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19. And then there was the Wright as victim and visionary
period. Now the turncoats have decided he is a lunatic clown.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:03 PM
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2. And many of the ones that do go to church sit through their own pastor saying stupid shit weekly.
You have to understand though, most of them aren't really that offended by anything Wright said, but they have few tools left at their disposal to attack Obama with and they see this as their last chance to take him down. So they HAVE to act outraged. I bet maybe 1 in 10 are truly upset by anything Wright said.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:05 PM
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4. I'm outraged
by your outrage of false outrage. Simply outrageous

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:05 PM
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3. How are you coming to that conclusion?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:07 PM
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5. Normally, DU is
Edited on Sun May-04-08 05:08 PM by supernova
a fairly religiously neutral place. We don't talk about relgion or clergy in the main political forums.

But wow, since the primaries, it's been Wright, Wright, Wright, nonstop.

Geez, it's almost like a sexual fetish.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:13 PM
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8. Blame the m$m for not changing the dialogue to something more
important. This country is going to hell in a handbasket, and that's what they're concentrating on.
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:13 PM
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7. Re Reverend Wright
I read an interesting essay on TPM Cafe this morning. It's thesis wasn't that Reverend Wright's statements were indeed appropriate political subject matter. But also then so are the political view of Reverend Hagee (sp?) and Falwell, and innumerable other white (predominantly white) right wing ministers who have for years been saying things equally or more outrageous, and getting a free pass from the media. The essay including a brief sampling of some of their statements.

The essay then moved to the subject the Obama had disavowed such statements, attempted to distance himself from such statements, and rejected the support of those making such statements while John McCain has been seeking out the support of such crackpots.


The essay did not directly deal with Hillary Clinton and her position regarding the statements of such hate filled holy men.



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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:19 PM
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9. That is a legitimate issue
the idea that Rev Wright gets his feet scorched and Hagee et al, get a pass, no matter the egregious hatred that passes out of their lips.

My point with Rev Wright though, is that event hough he says incendiary things, he's speaking from a place wanting justice. That I get and respect.

Hagee simply wants power and money and people are right to point that out. But they won't, They'd rather tie themselves in knots thinking about angry black men. :crazy:

As a white woman, that makes me sick.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:09 PM
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15. Only Hagee wants power and money?
Maybe you should google a picture of the little pad Wright is building for his retirement. Your statement then seems laughable.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:22 PM
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17. Hagee isn't a minority
with a history of oppression in this country.

He's a dick with a megaphone.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:34 PM
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10. If one would like the issue to die, one could QUIT talking about it on DU nt
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:36 PM
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11. Seems mostly Obama supporters who bring him up.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:52 PM
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21. Now that's true delusion.
Seriously dude.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:38 PM
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12. Gentle Reader
If only my refraining from talking about it would in fact bring about the desired result.

But alas, it will not. It's seems DU has strayed into fetish territory. The posters who are continuing this display will not stop until they reach the moment of "le petit mort" about it all and quite faint away with delirious exhaustion from their efforts.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:38 PM
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13. Funny today I see several new threads on Wright by Clinton supporters
Did you chide them to stop, too?
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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:43 PM
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14. people outside DU, in what some call the Real World, often like the
Cliffs Notes version...lately, it goes something like this; Obama ditched his Pastor...I guess he's a Christian after all...now the Pastor stole somebody else's wife (per the New York Post)...hmmm...maybe Obama was right in dumping him after all. Too simple? Lots of holes? Bad sources? Absolutely...but still a net plus for the Obama campaign, don't you think?
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:19 PM
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16. A few of us don't want to beaten over the heads by religion in politics
It's dangerous. It brooks no dissent. It tends to expect privilege.

Using religion as a source of moral stances is one thing; using it as a justification for policies is quite another.

The addle-headed and simply wrong proposition here that EVERYONE complaining about Wright PROBABLY hasn't been in a church recently is another evocation of belief being inherently superior to the lack of it. Besides all that, many of belief HAVE expressed their frustration at the man.

Obama and his supporters need to accept that they and their allies need to be just as beholden to the laws of comportment and decency that the rest of us mere mortals are.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:40 PM
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18. THANK YOU
what the fuck is WRONG with people??? :puke:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:50 PM
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20. I Don't See Religion As Progressive. I See It As Religion.
So what the heck are you even talking about? :shrug:
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