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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:54 PM
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Clinton's appeal to working-class blacks falling, 90 % with.or without college view her unfavorably.
Just saying.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:56 PM
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1. I wonder if that has anything to do with a Black candidate being in the race?
Somehow I think it does.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:58 PM
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2. Actually, it has everything to do with Mrs. Clinton.....and to a degree
her husband.

They just remember things better than other folks.

THE RISE OF THE DLC


its mission was far more confrontational. With few resources, and taking heavy flak from the big guns of the Democratic left, the DLC proclaimed its intention, Mighty Mouse-style, to rescue the Democratic Party from the influence of 1960s-era activists and the AFL-CIO, to ease its identification with hot-button social issues, and, perhaps most centrally, to reinvent the party as one pledged to fiscal restraint, less government, and a pro business, pro-free market outlook.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/1/24/16457/4867

Hence the DLC via Bill Clinton's Presidency gave us among other things.......


NAFTA


Clinton Signs NAFTA
12/8/93
"I do want to say, also, a special word of thanks to all the citizens who helped us -- the business leaders, the labor folks, the environmental people who came out and worked through this; many of them at great criticism, particularly in the environmental movement and some of the working people who helped it. And a group that was quite pivotal to our success that I want to acknowledge specifically are the small business people, many of whom got themselves organized and came forward and tried to help us. They made a real difference. " Bill Clinton at NAFTA signing Ceremony
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/legacy/120893-speech-b...




1996 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT


Clinton Signs The Telecommunications Act of 1996
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the first major overhaul of telecommunications law in almost 62 years. The goal of this new law is to let anyone enter any communications business -- to let any communications business compete in any market against any other.

The Telecommunications Act of 1996 has the potential to change the way we work, live and learn. It will affect telephone service -- local and long distance, cable programming and other video services, broadcast services and services provided to schools.
http://www.fcc.gov/telecom.html




WELFARE REFORM ACT


1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act
On August 22, President Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 Conference Report to accompany H.R. 3734, the controversial legislation which repeals the 60 year old social safety net for the poor and requires welfare recipients to work. The legislation is very much like H.R. 4, the previous welfare bill that the President vetoed at the urging of NOW and other advocacy organizations. And, like the previous bill, the President received severe criticism from community activists, women's rights, social service advocacy, labor, minority, and religious groups in embracing this Republican-led effort to change the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=1996_Welfare...




BANKING REFORM BILL


Clinton signs banking overhaul measure
November 12, 1999

The biggest change in the nation's banking system since the Great Depression became law Friday, when President Bill Clinton signed a measure overhauling federal rules governing the way financial institutions operate.

Congress passed the bipartisan measure November 5, opening the way for a blossoming of financial "supermarkets" selling loans, investments and insurance. Proponents had pushed the legislation in Congress for two decades, and Wall Street and the banking and insurance industries had poured millions of dollars into lobbying for it in the past few years.

"The world changes, and Congress and the laws have to change with it," said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Phil Gramm (R-Texas), who has fought for years for the overhaul. Gramm said the bill would improve banking competition and stability.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/11/12/banki...



DOMA


Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) -- HR 3396 or Public Law No. 104-199 -- on 21 September 2000. It defines marriage as an act between heterosexuals and frees one state from being required to honor the same-sex marriage conducted in another state. As of this writing, 39 states have laws based on DOMA; 18 of those are amendments to the state constitution.

On Friday, September 20, prior to signing the Defense of Marriage Act, President Clinton released the following statement:

I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse".
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/gaymarriage/a/DOMA.htm




CHINA TRADE DEAL


Clinton signs China trade bill
October 10, 2000

he measure is considered the most important U.S. trade legislation since passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993. But it faced a long campaign of opposition from labor, human rights and conservative groups who wanted to retain the annual review of trade relations with China.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/10/... /



"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."
http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/hillary-clinton-on-w...

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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:59 PM
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3. How much Hillary support is due to her being a woman?
There are plenty of people who have formed their own opinion of Hillary.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:14 PM
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7. I think a lot of Hillary's support has to do
with the fact she's a woman but she isn't getting 90% like Obama is getting 90% from Blacks.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:21 PM
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10. Doesn't matter
She is still getting many votes simply because she is a woman. You can't assume that Obama is getting 90% simply because he's black.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:24 PM
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12. No, but I can assume it's a nice size of that percentage. nt
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:32 PM
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17. Sure it is
The same can be said for Hillary and women voters.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:26 PM
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15. that and the belief that only by fighting dirty can "DEM" beat a GOP
the problem is that Hillary is becoming that which she claimed to despise,
along the way.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 05:59 PM
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4. Uhhhhhh, Ya think??
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:00 PM
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5. I wonder Obama's unfavorable rating with working class whites has anything to do with a white
candidate being in the race?

Somehow I think it does.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:01 PM
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6. I don't think so
the MSM told me it was because Obama mentioned Arugula sometime during the Iowa campaign.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:15 PM
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8. Is it in the 90% range. I think not. nt
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:16 PM
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9. He didn't start off with 90% he earned their vote like everyone else
Bill helped though.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:26 PM
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14. Baloney, it's always been a high percentage. nt
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galaxy21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:51 PM
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20. In late 2007 it wasn't
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:25 PM
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13. I canvassed two days in a row - Hillary too much like GOP, Obama more trust worthy
I canvassed in solidly African American neighborhoods two days in a row.
(I'm resting today).

Many said that they see Clinton as being buddies with Bush and the like,
and that they didn't trust her to change anything for the better.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:28 PM
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16.  Of course they wouldn't say they
were voting for him because he was Black. Just like a White wouldn't say they were voting for Hillary because she was White. It's not politically correct.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:22 PM
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11. But people who refuse to vote for a black person like her just fine.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:49 PM
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18. Somebody cares what WE think ?????
WOW ! what a novel concept. :evilfrown:
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 06:49 PM
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19. looks like she's got the electabilty problems
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