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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:14 PM
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Gun in Hillary's mailer is non-existent version of high-end German import, no longer manufactured.

Clinton mailing's gun gaffe



Senator Hillary Clinton’s mailing attacking Senator Barack Obama’s record on guns appears to include a striking visual gaffe: The image of the gun pictured on the face of the mailing is reversed, making it a non-existent left-handed model of the Mauser 66 rifle.

To make matters worse, a prominent gun dealer said, it’s an expensive German gun with customized features that make it clearly European.

“The gun in the photo does not exist,” said Val Forgett III, the president of Navy Arms in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Forgett's company was Mauser’s agent in the United States when the gun was released, and who sold Mauser guns here again in the 1990s. “The bolt is facing to the left side of the receiver, making it a left-handed bolt action rifle, indicating whoever constructed and approved the mailer did not recognize the image has been reversed.”

Forgett said the error would be obvious to sportsmen.

“I find it laughable on its face,” he said. “It’s like a picture of Babe Ruth hitting right-handed.”

The gun's image in Clinton's mailing is below; a correct image of the gun is below.

Other rifle enthusiasts emailed Politico after an image of Clinton’s mailing was posted to this blog.

“I bet the Clinton folks did a mirror flip on the stock image to make it look more ‘aesthetic,’” wrote one, David Phillips. “What a latte-sipping, Gucci-wearing thing to do.”

The Mauser 66, released in 1966 and no longer manufactured, is a high-end hunting rifle that found military use as a sniper rifle. In Clinton’s mailing, it’s pictured with a double-set trigger, a customization that’s popular in Europe, but “almost unheard of in the United States,” Forgett said.

“It’s a $2,200 German import – it’s hardly typical of what the average workingman in Indiana uses,” he said.



More distortion from Hillary:

Hillary Drops New Indiana Mailer Attacking Obama On Guns, "Bitter" Comments

By Greg Sargent - May 4, 2008, 12:10PM

I've just obtained a new mailer that the Hillary campaign has dropped in Indiana that attacks Obama for inconsistency on the Second Amendment -- and also reminds voters of the comments Obama made about small town America that created problems for him in the run-up to Pennsylvania.

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The mailer says:

And just this month, Barack Obama accused people in rural places and small towns of being "bitter" people who "cling to guns."


Note that the mailer says Obama "accused" folks of this. Here's what Obama said last month:

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


The Hillary mailer, in selectively quoting from this, omitted all of Obama's references to people's economic circumstances, leaving the misleading impression that all Obama did was "accuse" rural and small-town Americans of being "bitter" people who "cling to guns."

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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:16 PM
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1. You're an elitist for point this out.
:P

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:25 PM
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70. Isn't Ben Smith of "Politico" supposedly getting his info from Sid Blumenthal who get's it from RW
sites like Drudge? I swear Hillary has a "mole" in her campaign. If they can't vet their pictures and use stock footage that also isn't checked for their Campaign ads...there's really something wrong there.

And, if there's a mole in there then I wonder why and why Hillary or one of her staff members haven't figured it out. They make too many mistakes with things that should be no-brainers for any Advertising Group working for them. :shrug:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:18 PM
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2. Annie Oakley's shootin' blanks.
:rofl:
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:19 PM
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3. It's getting harder and harder to be a phony.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:38 PM
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16. Aye. The internet really told that to us when it exposed a ton of the republican's crap.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:20 PM
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4. well I didn't want to point this out but since it is a mirror image the
rifle is pointed directly at Obama's head.

I have had some limited experience with catalogs and layout in the past and I can tell you that the people that lay things out are very particular about which way things point and how the angles will lead the eye to various points of the page and not have them lead the eye off of the page.

I find the subliminal message of having the rifle pointing to Obama's head to be jarring. I am sure that the Clinton campaign did not intend anything but the graphics editor who layed this out would not have missed that point. Perhaps they did not think it through.


I am sure there are others here with extensive graphic experience that could offer a more expert opinion on this.

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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:26 PM
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9.  i couldn't agree with you more, everything is intentional in advertising
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:28 PM
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10. was going to start a thread about very same issue. Huffington Post also had a graphic
Edited on Sun May-04-08 07:31 PM by cryingshame
that had a guy AIMING the barrel of a gun at Obama. It was up during Mayfield Fowler's report on "bitter".

Grantcart, should we start a thread about this?

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:31 PM
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11. I think someone who has some experience in graphic layout and can give a
professional opinion should do so.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:32 PM
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12. On second thought since it has been proved to be a mirror image and they
deliberately tampered with the image in order to lay it out in this way it is 'thread worthy'
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:52 PM
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44. Yes and I hope we arent the only ones who see it.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:37 PM
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15. Please get a thread going.
This stuff is getting legs! Good!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:40 PM
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17. After looking at it more it is quite apparant.
Fuck, Just what we need in these tense times MORE subliminal crap. The outrage will be bad and democrats will be hurt but alteast the Clinton Campaign will take the brunt of it.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:43 PM
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35. Sniper Rifle made in 1966 - before MLK's assassination - pointed at Obama's head.
I'd say there is a pretty clear message there.

I'm assuming Hillary "approves" that message. Fucking fascist.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:45 PM
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39. Well it may be a rubber stamp so lets see if she will make a statement about it tommorow.
Tho I am extremely worried about the image as well. There are wackjobs out there.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:43 PM
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18. She needs to pull the mailer. Obama would be catching hell for something like this. It's disturbing.
n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:46 PM
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20. sorry for hijacking your thread but the issue became more relevent when the fact
that it was a reversed image was established.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:44 PM
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36. Indeed. That is was reversed is extremely disturbing and worrysome.
Clinton needs to explain.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:44 PM
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37. isn't bill left handed?
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:56 PM
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47. They flipped the rifle for layout expediency.
They wanted to put Obama's photo and the text at the left side of the envelope, because that's where people start reading, so they wanted a design that had a lot of empty space at the left, with the rifle dominating the right side. Flipping the photo made it easy to accomplish this, and the layout designer obviously didn't know enough about guns to see that the flipped design looked wrong.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:00 PM
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53. That is no excuse. Anyone who looks at it for 10 sec will note the issue.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:06 PM
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58. I'm not trying to excuse it, it's a dumbass mistake.
After losing Congress and the White House over the gun issue, you'd think that leading Dems would find some firearm experts to advise them on stuff like this so they don't embarrass themselves.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:01 PM
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55. Here's one of the worst examples...
Of work by graphic designers who don't know guns. The gun is flipped, a second trigger has been added and it's firing rounds with the casings still on them.

>
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:39 PM
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66. My EYES!!!
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:28 PM
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65. That was the first impression I had when I saw the image
just sayin'
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:21 PM
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5. I was wondering about the double trigger...
Different pull weights?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:22 PM
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Will it affect her application to join the NRA?
That's the only pandering that's missing so far.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:22 PM
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6. BULLSHIT!!!
That happens to be exact weapon Hillary used out in the duck-blind this morning!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:24 PM
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7. .
:rofl:

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:25 PM
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8. Yup. Not enough scrapes to be the one she dragged across the tarmac in Bosnia
:rofl:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:45 PM
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19. Did she capture it from the sniper she took down in Tuzla??
Hell ... that's sure better than the revolver Chimpy McCodpiece got off Saddam. :eyes:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:48 PM
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22. after a couple shots of Crown Royal to keep 'er warm. It's cold in Indiana this time of year.
.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:48 PM
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23. ROFL! You MADE ME SNARF YOGURT!
And yes, I'm an ANGRY BITTER ELITIST!
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:33 PM
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13. It's stupid mistakes like that, which hurt Gore & Kerry. There are 80 million gun-owners in the
200 million electorate. 122 million voted in 2004.

Gun owners view Obama, endorsed by arch gun-grabber Ted Kennedy, and Clinton, endorsed by arch gun-grabber Diane Feinstein, as politicians who want to ban handguns and semiautomatic firearms.

SCOTUS will almost certainly say in D.C. v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

IMO the best thing BO and HC can do is say "I promise to veto every bill that comes to me as president that infringes upon the natural, inherent, inalienable right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense."

Such a statement would also support the Democratic Party Platform that says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms"

See http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:35 PM
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14. Yes this is already being reported! Clinton proves yet again what she is really about.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:47 PM
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21. OK her negative attack ad panders
to rare expensive German gun owning elitists. THAT should go over well with the average hunter. Geesh, could her campaign be any more incompetent?
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:49 PM
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24. Ha, what a joke the Clinton campaign is. They have no concept of the common man.
Who wouldn't use a winchester?????
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:49 PM
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25. $2000 hunting rifle? How elitist!
You would think they'd have checked - I'm NOT a gun enthusiast, but a half-hour spend flipping through NRA periodicals will quickly reveal how gun enthusiasts, like any other kind of narrow-interest subgroup, are terribly anal about getting the details corrects. It's like showing Darth Vader with a blue lightsaber in an attempt to capture the geek vote. Not that I am a geek, you understand.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:04 PM
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27. Maybe that price included a matching pant suit.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 08:05 PM by Lastlaughin08
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PermanentRevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:12 PM
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31. That makes my head hurt...
I had a hard enough time coming to terms with Mace Windu's purple one! Vader with a blue one... that's just plain sacrilege!

Happy to prove your point, btw! :)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:42 PM
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34. Darth With a blue lightsaber!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh... Wait. I think I may have just outed myself. :blush:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:46 PM
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40. Bingo
A few mins in various gun websites and books would have given a much better model to use. So it shows much lazyness on her Campaigns part.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 07:55 PM
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26. OMG
Now Getty Images will NEVER be elected President.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:05 PM
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28. I think they were angling for Secretary of Defense from the begining
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:44 PM
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38. are you serious?
She paid Getty for that shot? Good grief, just get a digital camera and take a pic of the neighbor's beat up Wal-Mart Winchester Special fer cryin' out loud. Maybe she could've borrowed one from a fellow packin' Pennsylvanian...

Do you have any idea how much it costs to pay Getty for an image?

:shrug:

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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:06 PM
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69. I have no idea if it was Getty
looked like a stock photo to me -- and a Getty image doesn't cost a lot
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:52 AM
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76. Well
Getty is the biggest, baddest, most expensive place to lease an image from. I'm a photographer, i KNOW what they cost compared to others. Yes it is a stock photo, and like the stock video from the 3AM ad, the Clinton Campaign should've looked into the subject a little better. A $2,000 modified German rifle?

:shrug:


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george_maniakes Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:07 PM
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29. Maybe the intent was to link obama with an elitist gun, and so provoke gun enthusiasts...
into thinking "my God he must be an elitist! His picture is next to an elitist rifle!"

Seriously though, is there anybody who doesnt chuck junk mail like political fliers into the trash unread?
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mikiturner Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:08 PM
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30. Sad
She just can't help herself.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:32 PM
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32. That sure backfired didn't it?
Blew up in her face
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:41 PM
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33. It is going back on her now.
Edited on Sun May-04-08 08:43 PM by Zachstar
Tho I think the bigger issue coming out is the position of the gun and Obama's photo. People are worried enough as it is... Seeing this crap just makes it worse.

Nobody can say that Obama is not in danger with the many wackjobs out there. And people with warped minds pick up on symbols and things and use them as excuses to do things. So there is a worry there.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:47 PM
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41. OMG A Second Thread On This ROFL
So fucking stupid!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:48 PM
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42. Worried about it?
Maybe the fact that the image was reversed worries you more?

It is getting legs.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:52 PM
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45. Worries Me? ROFLMAO!!!!! It's The Most Stupid Gripe I've Seen Yet!!!!
Seriously, it never ceases to amaze me the how pathetic some can be in their pettiness. I'm laughin my ass off at those who think this actually carries some relevance somehow LOL

Sooooooooooo friggin stupid. Seriously. It's hilarious to watch some salivating over it. So silly!
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:58 PM
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49. Like Snipergate?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:00 PM
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54. Nope. Cause Like, Comparing This To Snipergate Would Be Like, Really Really Dumb And Stuff.
:hi:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:58 PM
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50. dupe
Edited on Sun May-04-08 08:58 PM by Zachstar
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:04 PM
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56. No you're "laughin my ass off" because you have no other response.
It's called nervous (or distraction) laughter. It's your attempt to diminish Hillary's mistake by claiming others are silly or stupid for noticing she used a non-existent version of a high-end rifle to pander to average Americans. Besides, her mailer is more distortion.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:11 PM
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60. Nope. I'm Laughing My Ass Off At How Monumentally Dumb This Thread Is.
I can't think of a more stupid slam against a candidate, done with sincerity, that I've seen yet. Congrats!!!

:toast:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:29 PM
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71. Made more rational by your numerous comments, right? Why are you paying so much attention to this
thread, especially since your comments are nothing but nonsense?

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:49 PM
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43. I believe this was the first
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #43
46. Well I'll Be Certain To Make Sure The OP Gets The "Dumbest Gripe Ever" Award Then.
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. You do only show up when Hillary makes the stupidest mistakes,
You and your smilies.



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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:59 PM
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51. Enjoy Your Trophy!!!!
:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:05 PM
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57. Imaginary trophies and imaginary guns...birds of a feather. n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:09 PM
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59. Goes Great With Your Imaginary Sense Of Self-Importance.
Dumbest. Gripe. Ever.

:rofl:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:18 PM
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61. The gun dealer who discovered the flaw thinks Hillary's campaign is pretty dumb. n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:19 PM
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62. Ummmm Yeah. Like, Sooooooo Don't Care What Some Obscure Gun Dealer Things ROFL
Sometimes you seem to be so out of touch with reality it scares me LOL
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:22 PM
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63. "Sometimes you seem to be so out of touch with reality it scares me LOL"
Are you crazy?

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:28 PM
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64. Rumor Has It.
Still far more in touch with reality than you though... But you're a great source of comic relief, so thank you for that! :hi:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 08:59 PM
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52. I noticed the same thing from some Clinton supporters during Snipergate.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:27 PM
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75. How many "fingergate" threads where there?
equally irrelevant
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 09:48 PM
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67. Phew! Finally something substantive, tangible and important...
... to displace the fake youtube clip!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:04 PM
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68. Maybe she xeroxed it.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 10:48 PM
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72. The gun runs right through Barack's head. Just coincidence tho, I'm sure.
It's really the only way that mailer could be designed, right?

And can't Hillary find any gun-totin' graphic designers that wouldn't just browse the Internet for a royalty-free image of any gun they could find, don't even bother to find out that they're using a Euro gun, and then flop the image without even wondering if it's possible for the gun to look like that?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:16 PM
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73. Hilarious:
In defense of the Clinton campaign, they probably had just knocked back some boilermakers at the bowling alley after a long day in the mill or at the mine, and this is the kind of mistake you can make after a few beers and shots of whiskey and a tough day of hard labor.

The best thing about this is going to be reading the pro-Hillary websites explain this away and that the point remains about Hillary’s long tradition of pro-gun support. Hell, only an ELITIST would even notice something like this anyway, AMIRITE? Not to mention, we all know what Hillary thinks of experts, so why would she care what gun experts think, anyway? She is ready on day one, and she is a fighter, and that is all that really matters! Facts are for pansies!

I am now going to offer some unsolicited advice to the smartest woman in America and her joke of a campaign- stop trying to out-Republican the Republicans. They are better at it than you are, as they are actually Republicans.

*** Update ***

One other question- why did the smartest woman in America decide to throw away four decades of Democratic street-cred to run as a Republican-lite in the year that a Republican President is polling just above the crazification factor?

link




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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-04-08 11:18 PM
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74. Hey! Back - Off! That's what they use in Bosnia - ok? nt.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:20 PM
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77. The real story on who's for confiscating your guns
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5820446&mesg_id=5821109

Hillary voted to confiscate legally owned guns during an emergency.

Obama voted for the Vitter amendment which prohibits confiscation of guns during an emergency.

The Hillary bots have it backward.

Shame on them
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