Rasmussen daily: Clinton 46% McCain 44%; McCain 47% Obama 44%

[Maribelle]

And they had even more bad news for Obama:

The race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination is now tied. Clinton and Obama are each supported by 45% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters. Last Monday, Obama led by eight


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[MadBadger]

1. Wasnt Obama down by 6 to McCain and down by 3 against Clinton a couple days ago?

[DJ13]

2. ssssshhhh....... they dont want to live in the real word

:shrug:

[emilyg]

26. You do? Hope hope hope

[Maribelle]

4. Clue: Hillary is in the lead.

[MadBadger]

5. Both are in a statistical tie, thats what I see

I also see a CBS NY Times poll that says they both have double digit leads, while Obama leads her by 12

[Maribelle]

7. They are for the democratic nomination

[MadBadger]

11. No, both results are in the MOE between McCain and Obama and Hillary and McCain

[Maribelle]

13. I must have misunderstood you when you said 'both'

[muryan]

31. You seem to have misunderstood quite a bit

Lets see a poll of Edwards vs Romney, or Hillary vs Thompon so we can cover all the bases of elections that won't happen.

(Obama's still winning)

[DearAbby]

3. OMG!!! thanks so much

with 6 months before the General Election, there is no way Obama can make up 3% points..I'll go slit my wrists now!

[Maribelle]

6. Have at it.

Slitting your wrists could be comparable to voting for Obama - or would that be a vote for Obama is slitting the wrists of our country - figuratively speaking, of course

[CindyKay]

24. Thanks !

I Really Needed That !:rofl:

[emilyg]

27. Need a new razor?

[gristy]

8. The race for the Dem nomination is determined by a poll???

Is that what you are saying? I guess it is, Maribelle, since that's what you said. Where do you get these notions?

[Maribelle]

12. Try rereading it.

[gristy]

14. I did. Here is what you said:

"The race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination is now tied. Clinton and Obama are each supported by 45% of Likely Democratic Primary Voters."

Sorry, but the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination is determined by voters who vote for their preferred candidate - NOT by a poll of "Likely Democratic Primary Voters". Based on those votes, delegates are selected for a National Convention. The current totals for those delegates has Obama at 1,733 (85.6% of the 2,025 needed) and Clinton at 1,599 (79.0% of the 2,025 needed). The race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination is not tied. Obama is 134 delegates ahead.

[Maribelle]

15. No thats not what I sad. Sheesh. Now you've got two strikes.

Here is what I said...

And they had even more bad news for Obama:

Notice the colon at the end of that???????????????? The rest was pulled from the link.

[gristy]

20. OK, I'll grant you that I thought that was you speaking. However...

if you are going to cut just two sentences out of what someone else has written and make it the central thrust of your post then you must be prepared to defend it as if you wrote it yourself. And in this case, you can't. You certainly haven't yet tried, but I do look forward to the attempt.

[CindyKay]

28. Go Easy On Her Now

She's Off Her Meds!

[Upton]

9. Obama has gained ground

it looks as if he has weathered Rev. Wright once again.

[terrell9584]

10. it's still a national poll

and because the national popular vote doesn't count for anything, it doesn't matter. What's more important is the performance state by state, and how much of the EV each is pulling, because that's how we elect Presidents.

(and for the record, I'll disagree with most here when I say you shouldn't change it. National popular vote would just increase a motive for voter fraud because you would know what areas would be for who and so you can drum up the margins for the national effect. With the EV system, there is only so much good voter fraud can actually do, because there is a limited impact to what a state is worth)

And to be clear, that is an argument that applies to both Orange County, CA and Cook County, IL

[wileedog]

16. I don't see the bad news

Superdelegates are not going to overturn the PD vote based on polls within the MARGIN OF ERROR.

Anything this close is good news for Obama.

[Maribelle]

18. Obama cannot win. Obama can only be selected by the superdelegates.

[wileedog]

21. Who for the most part are not going to vote against the Pledged Delegate vote

What is your point?

[rg302200]

33. Which is also the only way Hillary can win

or do you forget that? I live in Ohio and trust me when I say that neither Obama nor Clinton will carry Ohio. And I am getting tired of Hillary supporters saying that Obama can't win FL, Ohio or PA because guess what??? That was the same game plan for Kerry and he failed horribly, how will it be different now? Clinton is only competitive in those three states and maybe Arkansas. Where as Obama will bring states like Nevada, Colorado, Missouri, Iowa, New Mexico and NC and Virginia into play. Clinton only offers the same worn out strategy, which will only result in her losing in November!

Obama is our only hope, so you might as well just come to terms with that now!

[Beausoir]

17. If Obama makes it to the GE....he loses. Plain and simple.

[Maribelle]

19. Obama cannot win without huge numbers of Hillary supporters voting for him.

If they turn the other way his loss will be massive. He has already lost Florida.

[wileedog]

22. As opposed to Hillary who loses a massive chunk of the Black vote

Not to mention the newly registered younger vote.

You think she is going to win PA without Philly?

[Maribelle]

23. Ah - but your forgetting Hillary is not as far left as Obama ...

and the majority of this nation identifies itself as moderates or centrists. Just because they are not screaming loudly and jumping around like crazy loons does not mean they will not vote heavily for Hillary.

Also don't forget that while many primaries, such as Florida's have had record turnouts, there will probably double, at least, the number voting in the General Election which will heavily favor Hillary. And Hillary owns the vote in Florida already.

[wileedog]

25. McCain is also a moderate

They compete for the same demographic.

And Hillary has negatives far north of 50 and 60 percent of the country who does not "trust her".

She will lose the center to McCain. She has already spit in the eye of the far left. There is not much left for her.

[Maribelle]

30. No, she will never lose the center to McCain.

McCain is a republican mascot, with all the big spending, supporting torture, attempts to cover up the fake intelligence, poor leadership, extremely poor use of the military in Iraq. Many moderates have had it with the republicans.

Additionally, Hillary will win the military vote and scores high approvals with women - - more than 50% of voters.

[wileedog]

34. A Clinton will never win the military vote

Ever. You are delusional. Even folks who just signed up have learned to hate them.

Find a local Marine and just say the word Clinton. Then duck.

And again you are dealing with her HISTORIC negatives. No one has ever won an election when so many in the country already dislike her before the campaign even starts.

She has no lock on the center. She will get lackluster support from the left at best if she is nominated despite the PD vote. She is utterly despised by the right. Hardly sounds like a winning combination to me.

[CindyKay]

29. You Forget

Florida was a Closed Primary Independents were Not Allowed To Vote & Everyone knows that when Obama is allowed to Campaign He Closes The Gap Very Nicely ! By November the Dem Party Will be United in Order to defeat McINSANE !

[Maribelle]

32. I don't forget a thing about Florida. Do you think Independents in Florida are not paying attention?

Do you think Independents in Florida were not part of the 6.5 million households where Obama's 'national ads' reached?

Do you think Independents in Florida have not be polled?

Obama has lost Florida. Period.

[kwenu]

35. Then you realize it's a delegate race that Hillary won't win.

You laugh and say this is a stupid thread.