Sick of this "why'd he stick with him for 20 years." right wing talking point hillary is pushing...

[TLM]

I keep hearing he same talking point over and voer again...

"Why did obama stick with Wright for 20 years?" Trying to imply Obama must support or agree with things Wright has said.


Yet the earliest of the outrageous and offensive quotes from Wright, that I've seen is from 9-11-01.

That's only 6 or 7 years ago, not 20. So where do they get this 20 year line? If for the first 14 years Wright didn't say anything that over the top, that would really make the whole sticking with him for 20 years issue sort of moot.

Especially considering that since 2004 Obama has been in DC most of the time, and not going to church at Trinity very often anyway. Compound that with the fact that Wright left the church and is no longer the pastor, and this whole argument is rendered meaningless.

One is left with a 2 or 3 year window between wright's 9-11 comments and when Obama left for DC. It is not as if Wright said this stuff 20 years ago, and Obama has been sticking with him ever since. Wright said these things a few years ago, and has since left his position at the church, and did so during a period of time when Obama wasn't even attending often.

But I guess, "why did he stick with him for 2 or 3 years or so" doesn't have as much of a punch?

Yet those who attack him with this racist willie horton style attack, act like he was front and center clapping and cheering for every word Wright ever said.

[NotThisTime]

1. I personally just want to know why she stuck with a proven lyer and philanderer

That's all, not too much to ask.... I'm not the only one asking the question....

[madrchsod]

4. i won`t go there with that

because i know something about that. that`s the only thing i will not question her on

[goclark]

55. I'll go there and I know something about it too

And that is exactly why I believe she is not healed from the Monica issue.

The pain of a public exposer of your private life is devastating.
So too is the pain that others are feeling when she continues to pile on Obama in that manner.

One thing I learned from my private pain is that there is a boiling point unless you get professional help.

I'm sure she got professional help but maybe she gave up too soon.

I see the anger in her and I don't want that in a candidate that wants to completely destroy the people of Iran. I heard her repeat that threat again this morning.

Even GW would have danced around it, but she didn't.

The lady has not healed.

[kwenu]

5. That's exactly what came to my mind. What's her excuse because the Repubs are going to ask.

[complain jane]

7. LOL

Good answer.

[Voltaire99]

9. Birds of a feather...

You'd think her taste for serial abuse would make serious people run from her.

But if anyone can work the Tammy Wynette thang, it's the beer 'n chaser millionaire with her belief in nuking first and asking questions later.

[madrchsod]

2. when did she say this again

been on the road today and i`m cleaning up the house now...

[TLM]

6. She said a few different times....

On O'really she said it again.... that she'd have left the church and by not leaving Obama somehow supports the things Wright said.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl9ixUi9oko

[rodeodance]

20. stop crying. Truth is--O. had stuck with W for 20 yrs. O. only ditched him when W. said he

was a politician and would say anything to win.
So, its all about O. its the ME ME ME echo once again.

[Forkboy]

3. Judging from the CBS poll they have overplayed their hand yet again.

Subtlety and tactics are two words many of her supporters don't have a good grasp on yet. They've once again helped the very person they were determined to tear down.

I'm not a big Obama fan, but it's funny to see such desperation fall flat on it's face. :)

[Jane Austin]

8. I keep wondering if any of these critics

have ever belonged to a church family they loved.

It doesn't sound like it, if they think you just change churches as easily as you'd change shoes.

[jackson_dem]

10. Except that Wright's views were known in Chicago for years and Obama was warned about Wright

by Wright himself... Obama still chose Wright. Chicago has a population of 3 million. He could have easily chosen another church but he chose Wright's church for--wait for it--political expediency--the same reason he is now rejecting Wright.

-snip-

The day Barack Obama first showed up in the office of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., more than 20 years ago, the pastor warned him that getting involved with Trinity United Church of Christ might not be "a feather in your cap."

-snip-

"Some of my fellow clergy don't appreciate what we're about," Wright told him that day, as Obama would later recount it. "They feel like we're too radical. Others, we ain't radical enough."

-snip-

For someone thinking of running for mayor, governor, senator or any statewide office, being part of Trinity would likely be an asset.

-snip-

As Wright's remarks have filled the airwaves, many have wondered why Obama remained a member at Trinity for so many years. He says he wasn't present at church for some of the most outrageous comments, yet there were signs that Obama and his campaign were aware that an association with Wright could be controversial. Obama last year in effect disinvited Wright from giving an invocation when he announced in Springfield he was running for president.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obama-church_bdmay04,0,5869938.story

[2rth2pwr]

11. The first sermon he attended, Wright said "white folks' greed runs a world in need,"

Obama cried after that one and named his book after the title of that sermon.


20 years ago.

[sandnsea]

12. Why'd she stick with Bush's war n/t

[Eurobabe]

13. I'd like to know why Hillary stayed with her sex-addicted husband

isn't that bad judgment? Why she could have exposed herself to STDs and all?

Just asking. :shrug:

[Raine]

14. People have stayed in the Catholic Church

inspite of pedophile priests and you know it's not cause they agree with that kind of thing. It's their faith so they stay, this whole thing with Wright is ridiculous.

[ecdab]

15. I've been asking myself the same question.

The only answers I keep coming up with involve skin color.

[Yossariant]

18. Yeah, I remember all those priests preaching the virtues of pedophilia from the pulpit.

:sarcasm:

And not one parishioner walked out!
:rofl:

[JTFrog]

23. So it's okay to KNOW they are pedophiles and take your kids there as long as no one TALKS about it?

What a fucking twisted state of mind Americans must in be to miss the hypocrisy. Cognitive dissonance at it's finest.

To say nothing of the state of mind of people who have to bring religion into politics to begin with and lean on it. I'll stick to worshiping the constitution.

[Yossariant]

27. Talk about cognative dissonance. By your "logic" all black preachers are racists.

Odd observation, for sure, and I doubt you really want to go there.

[JTFrog]

28. By my logic it doesn't matter what the fuck people preach in their churches unless others

are being physically or mentally abused. If someone is doing something illegal or hurting others in their church, let the law deal with it.

Other than that, YOUR IMAGINARY PEOPLE IN THE SKY HAVE no business in the government of the United States of America.

KEEP YOUR MOTHER FUCKING RELIGION OUT OF MY MOTHER FUCKING POLITICS.

The Constitution states that we will have no religious test for the office of the President of the United States. The Constitution has more moral value and compassion than any religion I have ever encountered.

You can go there all you want. I will continue to worship the Constitution.

[Yossariant]

29. Bullshit. When the candidates,including yours, say,"Nunya business" about religion, get back to me.

[JTFrog]

30. I wish my candidate would say Nunya business.

When Hillary's "Family" is dissected and force fed to the masses, then you get back to me. I can't wait to see how your position has changed then.

[Yossariant]

32. Ya don't choose yer family. Ya choose yer preacher.

Too bad Barack didn't have enough character to say, "Nunya business" about his preacher like Chelsea Clinton said about her family.

And I'm shocked.

[JTFrog]

33. I'm talking about "The Family". But then I'm sure you were being obtuse on purpose.

Her connections with her spiritual advisor Doug Coe would definitely shock Americans if they were ever force fed reality.

[Yossariant]

35. Ah! The Fellowship that Barack attends in DC. Yeah, smart move.

I suppose you might argue that Barack only attends Trinity and the Fellowship to advance his political career.

Not sure you'd want to, but you could.

:wtf:

[JTFrog]

36. Nice try.

Hillary has a connection with The Family/Fellowship that goes back to 1993 or 1994. She’s written about the relationship in one of her books.

Obama's attendance at a yearly National Prayer Breakfast event is not evidence of an affiliation with the group.

[Yossariant]

38. I'd say, "Nice try" but it ain't. Barack ATTENDS. His campaign says, "No comment."

O8)

[stillcool]

40. He's been to a "Prayer Breakfast"..

I believe that every Senator has attended one of those...he doesn't frequent Coe's retreat, and has not been a 'member' of the "Prayer Group" for the last 15 years.

[Yossariant]

47. Wrong.

[stillcool]

50. What is "Wrong"?

[Yossariant]

16. So, why did he stick with him for 20 years?

After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright's church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for "Buppies"--black urban professionals--and didn't have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity's guiding principles--what the church calls the "Black Value System"--included a "Disavowal of the Pursuit of 'Middleclassness.'"

The cross currents appealed to Obama. He came to believe that the church could not only compensate for the limitations of Alinsky-style organizing but could help answer the nagging identity problem he had come to Chicago to solve. "It was a powerful program, this cultural community," he wrote, "one more pliant than simple nationalism, more sustaining than my own brand of organizing. "

--- The New Republic

The GOP is chomping at the bit to run against Obama --- field day!

[stillcool]

43. hmmm...a Community Church..

in this community....

Vote of Confidence

Chicago Magazine / January 1993 / Vote of Confidence

In the final, climactic buildup to November's general election, with George Bush gaining ground on Bill Clinton in Illinois and the once-unstoppable campaign of senatorial candidate Carol Moseley Braun embroiled in allegations about her mother's Medicare liability, one of the most important local stories managed to go virtually unreported: The number of new voter registrations before the election hit an all-time high.
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None of this, of course, was accidental. The most effective minority voter registration drive in memory was the result of careful handiwork by Project Vote!, the local chapter of a not-for-profit national organization. "It was the most efficient campaign I have seen in my 20 years in politics," says Sam Burrell, alderman of the West Side's 29th Ward and a veteran of many registration drives.
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The name Barack Obama surfaced. "I was asking around among community activists in Chicago and around the country, and they kept mentioning him," Newman says. Obama by then was working with church and community leaders on the West Side, and he was writing a book that the publisher Simon & Schuster had contracted for while he was editor of the law review. He was 30 years old.

When Newman called, Obama agreed to put his other work aside. "I'm still not quite sure why," Newman says. ''This was not glamorous, high-paying work. But I am certainly grateful. He did one hell of a job."

Within a few months, Obama, a tall, affable workaholic, had recruited staff and volunteers from black churches, community groups, and politicians. He helped train 700 deputy registrars, out of a total of 11,000 citywide. And he began a saturation media campaign with the help of black-owned Brainstorm Communications. (The company's president, Terri Gardner, is the sister of Gary Gardner, president of Soft Sheen Products, Inc., which donated thousands of dollars to Project Voters efforts.) The group's slogan-"It's a Power Thing"-was ubiquitous in African-American neighborhoods. Posters were put up. Black-oriented radio stations aired the group's ads and announced where people could go to register. Minority owners of McDonald's restaurants allowed registrars on site and donated paid radio time to Project Vote! Labor unions provided funding, as, in late fall, did the Clin¬ton/Gore campaign, whose national voter-registration drive was being directed by Chicago alderman Bobby Rush
******
As for Project Vote! itself, its operations in Chicago have officially closed down. Barack Obama has returned to work on his book, which he plans to complete this month. He also is teaching a class at the University of Chicago law school, and is an attorney at Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland. But he continues to consult with the church, community, and political groups involved in the monumental registration drive. "We won't let the momentum die," he says. "I'll take personal responsibility for that. We plan to hold politicians' feet to the flames in 1993, to remind them that we can produce a bloc of voters large enough that it cannot be ignored."
****
Obama shrugs off the possibility of running for office. "Who knows?" he says. "But probably not immediately." He smiles. "Was that a sufficiently politic 'maybe'? My sincere answer is, I'll run if I feel I can accomplish more that way than agitating from the outside. I don't know if that's true right now. Let's wait and see what happens in 1993. If the politicians in place now at city and state levels respond to African-American voters' needs, we'll gladly work with and support them. If they don't, we'll work to replace them. That's the message I want Project Vote! to have sent."

This article appears in the January 1993 issue of Chicago Magazine.

with this guy as one of it's pastors....

Born on September 22, 1941, in Philadelphia
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. is one of the most widely acclaimed black preachers in the United States. Combining social concern, spiritual growth, and political activism, Wright, who preaches in a black traditional style, brings a message of hope, redemption, and renewal. In 1972 he became pastor of a small United Church of Christ congregation in the inner city of Chicago. After over 30 years in the pulpit, his congregation has grown to 10,000 and is the largest United Church of Christ congregation in the United States.
In 1959 Wright enrolled at Virginia Union University, in Richmond, where he remained until 1961. That year he left school to join the military. He served in the Second Marine Division of the U.S. Marine Corps from 1961 to 1963, achieving the rank of private first class. In 1963 he graduated as valedictorian from the Great Lakes Naval Training Center, and from 1964 to 1967,he served as a cardio pulmonary technician at the U.S. Naval Hospital in Bethesda, Maryland.
During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

After his discharge from the military, Wright continued his education. He enrolled at Howard University in Washington, D.C., in 1967, and was awarded a bachelor's degree in 1968 and a master's degree in 1969. He then entered the University of Chicago Divinity School, receiving a master of arts degree in 1975. He ended his formal education in 1990 when he earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in black sacred music from United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio.
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When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church. Wright embraced his new congregation took up the phrase coined by his predecessor Rev. Dr. Reuben Sheares, "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." Within months the church had adopted the phrase as its motto and vision. Under Wright's leadership, fueled by his passion, and motivated by his preaching, the congregation began to grow by leaps and bounds. By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with
people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.
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In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher,
teacher, and lecturer.

http://www.dogonvillage.com/blogs/african_american/archives/140

[JCMach1]

17. Watching some Wright again the other day: Obama stayed for entertainment

What will CRAZY uncle say, or do next?

[Skittles]

19. watching a narcissist is not fun n/t

[pompano]

21. I went to Church.....

here in the Bible Belt. A conservative Church.

No big deal. The things my Church did for the community far outweighed the rhetoric from the pulpit.
As a liberal, where there sermons that made me feel uncomfortable, sure? Some I walked out of.

I left my politics at the door on the way in and picked up my politics on the way out.

Never made me any less of a construction worker. :shrug:

I refused to let myself be defined by the words of a pastor. It wasn't me and I wasn't there for him. I took what I wanted from the sermon and left the rest right there in the pew on my way out.

[JCMach1]

24. Also, could Michelle be twisting his arm?

In my experience, it has been the women of the family who are the arbiters of religion when it comes to such decisions.

Could this be why Obama doesn't really want to answer the question? i.e. he would then have to explain why Michelle liked (or stayed with) Rev. Wright's church.

For example, I also was drug to Southern Baptist churches by my wife's family. I totally disagree with 100% of what they say and stand for, but I believed I had an obligation to surrender to their wishes.

And, frankly, Michelle Obama does strike as someone you might not want to argue with too much...



I think the biggest problem people have with the Wright thing is how Obama portrayed himself from the beginning of the campaign:

-His downplaying the 'old' politics and the 'old' politics of race...
-His reaching out more conservatives and actually using his evangelical ties as part of his personal narrative...

Since people are learning who 'he is' through the electoral process, Rev. Wright cuts into those several key points about his personal narrative. That puts people back at square one asking, "Who is Obama?" Unfortunately, that leaves him open to definition by the MSM.

[quickesst]

22. I keep wondering.....

what's wrong with Obama supporters.

"Wright didn't say anything that over the top, that would really make the whole sticking with him for 20 years issue sort of moot."

Obama supporter, pretending they were in the church every Sunday for those first fourteen years. Or maybe the fact that for the first fourteen years, noone knew who Obama was, and didn't really give a rat's ass where he went to church, or who his pastor was. He's running for president now, and people are naturally going to take a closer look. Unfortunately, O supporters have shown their hands by the swooning admiration for Wright's words, which Obama has condemned. Having it both ways. Priceless. We love Wright, but defend Obama's condemnation of Wright. So, if I condemn Wright, and his words, I'm somehow being racist, or a liar, or whatever O fans can conjure up, but what does that make Obama, who has also condemned Wright, and his words? Hippocracy is alive and well, and living in the souls of DU Obamites.(with few exceptions) Thanks.
quickesst

[barack the house]

25. Why have the Clinton family befriended the Bush family has it affected their judgement?

Their close friendship should get the same scrutiny.

[goclark]

42. Exactly ~bet there were tape recorders in BC bedroom

when he stayed at their summer home.

They are the Machurian Candidates - HCBC.

[indimuse]

26. "black liberation theology but which is nothing but a racist political podium."

Scottyon 04 May 2008 at 11:22 pm 1Hi Juanita
<<snip>>

Did you or anyone on the site watch Glenn Beck on CNN on Thursday 5-1-08? He showed America what Barack Osamas mentor and pastor Wright has been spewing for the last 20 years! Yeah he showed us the true “context” of his ANTI-AMERICAN ANTI-WHITE PRO TERRORIST crap of his marxist politics that he calls black liberation theology but which is nothing but a racist political podium.GodD___ning America for at least 20 minutes with FULL audience participation! How can any American watch that trash know that is where Barack “worships” and continue to vote for him? Unless America is suffering from collective insanity it is incomprehensible that this Obimination remain in politics! Then his sermon of how horrible America is that we DESERVE TO BE ATTACKED by Terrorists because “The chickens have come to roost” left me aghast and disgusted. But Barack seems to have a large group of Anti-America Racist circle of friends mentors and associates.What about Ayers and his statement of regretting only that “more Americans didnt die” on 9-11! What is wrong with the Citizens of America that continue to embrace Obama? Are they so blinded by their anti-Hillary beliefs that they refuse to hear, see and heed the warning that Barack is a THREAT and DANGER to our NATIONAL SECURITY!!!!!!
How many ways does he have to continue PROVING his RACISM (he has pulled the race card from the get go) his lying no spine desicion skills, his lack of character, lack of responsibility and accountability, and now his COMPLETE ABSCENCE OF JUDGEMENT! But still cult Obama follows blindly and deafly to the demise of the democratic Party and the peril of our Nation?! At least CNN has started to show some unbiased opinions like Glenn Beck. Mind you I used to like msnbc untill they to became OBAMANITES. even if he by some ugh Obamination wins the nomination he is NOT an ELECTABLE CANDIDATE!!!
How can he be with all his Extremely Anti-American Racist views and associations?And why are Americans allowing and supporting this? This has NOTHING to do with RACE! It has to do with his IDEOLOGY his lack of judgement the fact that he is an imminent danger to America because of his Anti-American sentiments!



oh,my...

[dansolo]

31. I wouldn't even go that far back

Of all of Rev Wright's quotes, the 9-11 one is the least offensive. For one thing, he was quoting a FOX news analyst. For another, he wa absolutely 100% correct. 9/11 was our "chickens coming home to roost". Anyone who disagrees with that hasn't been paying attention to what we have been doing in the world for the past 30 years.

[Vinca]

34. For the same reason you stuck with your husband, Hill.

Relationships are complicated.

[rodeodance]

37. no comparison. you sound like the RW. They constantly smear Hillary

on her relationship with Bill during the 90's. Now you are one the them

[ellacott]

39. It is a valid comparison

Whether it's what you like to hear doesn't change anything.

[rodeodance]

45. Nothing to do with comparisons. Nosing into peoples private families is a RW strategy.

[ellacott]

49. Then it would be fair to say that people obsessing over the Wright case are doing the same thing

[rodeodance]

51. Wright SOLD his tapes to the public for profit. No longer private. You lose.

[ellacott]

57. I lose, I didn't know this was a game

Clinton's business is in the Starr Report which is on the internet so it's no longer private. The NY Post article about Wright is gossip.

They both should be held to the same standard,

[goclark]

41. Why did she stick with her cheating husband all these years?

Somebody needs to call her on that one ~ let's get to the facts.

Who is closer to you and can destroy your self esteem on a daily basis -- your spouse.

[Obamanaut]

44. I think it was to further her political career, no other reason. nt

[goclark]

46. Right,however she could have divorced him

It was her option and her greed was the reason that she stayed.

All the more reason that I don't want THEM (HCBC) as To-President.

[rodeodance]

52. The RW smears her on this issue--now you are one of the RW. Congratulations. They nose into

peoples private lives. Yup--that is you.

[goclark]

53. Yep that's me and I'm proud to be me

She smears Democrats with the right wing talking points day after day.

Wonder what they will do to her in the general with this issue?

[PurityOfEssence]

58. Maybe she loves him.

Perhaps this is a concept that needs to be explained to you. When one loves someone else and is loved in return, the connection of the souls can often be such that it overcomes many personal failings. One can love someone in spite of their temper, strange beliefs, outbursts, infidelities and such because there's some kind of connection there. If they stray sexually, it's not necessarily the end of the world, hurtful as it usually is.

Those who are so full of themselves and so coldly demanding of strict adherence to every rule are themselves missing something. THEY are the ones incapable of truly loving. People like that are egocentric and demand the world to bend to their demands, and those people are generally hypocrites who brook no missteps from others while demanding broad latitude for themselves.

It's called "love", and those of us who live in a reality-based world understand that people are a package deal. You have no right to demand that she adhere to your rules of comportment and you have no idea what their particular relationship is. Perhaps they've agreed that a bit of straying is normal, as many couples have. Perhaps this weakness is mitigated by the nature of Monica's undeniable aggressiveness; had it been a situation where he was the initiator, it would have been a bit different, but most non-virginal humans understand that when someone comes in offering the goodies, they're often a bit tempting.

Maybe she's a tolerant human being. For all his many faults, Bill Clinton seems to be a good father and a good friend. Love based on decades of a close personal partnership is an accumulation of memories of help and support at one's darkest moments; throwing that away because of sexual liasons is understandable, but it's VERY understandable to not do so, too. Those who have to OWN their lovers don't really understand what love is.

This whole tack is truly and quite literally below the belt. What did she do to deserve this? She got tortured in public and hectored to no end as she was going through a profound personal crisis. What did she do wrong, not divorce him and fight your battle for you? It's HER LIFE, not yours. She was the wronged party here; prolonging the ugliness is just further victimization of her.

You should chew on some facile pop psychology in return: this sounds like you fighting some kind of personal battle by projecting it onto someone else. It's ill-mannered, vulgar, cheap and decidedly ugly. You don't know what went down in private between them, and your self-coronation as some kind of arbiter of human relations is fascistic and intolerant.

I think a lot of people hate them because they DO have an enduring love. Things that destroy other people's marriages haven't ruined theirs.

This is just plain mean, small-minded, puritan, tight-assed hatred that's dolled up in the moral superiority of prissiness. The Obama supporters who bellyache of the unscrupulousness of her opponents stoop to a much lower low with this line of insult. This is filthy.

[BigDDem]

48. Its "a legitimate political issue" - Barack Obama

Is he wrong?

[nichomachus]

60. He's right -- but her using it just shows no class whatsoever

[BigDDem]

61. Gotcha! Must be those new politics

It's a legitimate issue, oh, but don't use it!

[nichomachus]

62. Well, if you take that tack

Bill's blow jobs and perjury -- and Hillary's using him in her campaign -- are legitimate issues. Barack doesn't use them.

[madrchsod]

54. doug coe

and the 800,000 dollar earmark to a controversail minister in harlem....move on - nothing to see ...

it`s wright! nothing to see

[nichomachus]

56. Hillary belongs to a church with an official anti-gay policy

-- and she didn't leave. Why not?

[goclark]

59. Yes, why not

People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

63. How long has Hilly stuck to the DLC? Far more dangerous than the Rev.