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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:17 AM
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The Clintons and the 'War on Obama'
Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek.

Last December, when I first learned via Clinton insiders that their “oppo” package would include Barack Obama’s associations with fiery black preacher Jeremiah Wright and Vietnam War-era radical William Ayers, I shrugged at what sounded to me like sub-standard fare from the dark side of American politics.



Besides those two themes, Clinton insiders were plotting how to exploit Obama’s past political ties to indicted real-estate developer Tony Rezko, and they even were hashing over how they might slip in suggestions that Obama’s dead mother had been a leftist. (When I heard the “oppo” about the dead mother, I really couldn’t believe my ears.)

Even then – in December before the first votes had been cast – the Clintons were so caught up in their ambition to return to the White House that they were veering toward the worst aspects of politics, what is generally associated with the American Right and the most ruthless Republican operatives – guilt-by-association, red-baiting, McCarthyism and racial messaging.




The rationale that I heard from the Clinton operatives was that these Obama vulnerabilities would be exploited by the Republicans in the general election, so it was necessary to destroy Obama when there was still time for another Democrat (i.e. Hillary Clinton) to be nominated.

But part of me didn’t believe the Clintons would go through with this War on Obama. I had trouble envisioning people who had been victimized by similar tactics – indeed whom I had defended when they were on the receiving end – resorting to such acts against a fellow Democrat, who by all accounts is a decent fellow and a good family man.




Plus, in doing so, the Clinton camp struck an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend alliance with some of the same pro-Republican media outlets that Sen. Clinton had dubbed in the 1990s the “vast right-wing conspiracy.”

This alliance of convenience made Hillary Clinton an odd bedfellow with right-wing media mogul Richard Mellon Scaife, Fox News and even Rush Limbaugh, who has been urging Republicans to vote for Sen. Clinton in the Democratic primaries as a way to block Sen. Obama’s nomination.

And, with the right-wing media onboard, the mainstream news commentators could be counted on to tag along – which many did.

For instance, when Obama appeared on NBC's "Meet the Press" on May 4, Tim Russert's first 12 questions were about Rev. Wright, followed by additional questions about wearing a flag pin and how would Obama "defend or define his patriotism." The first question about a substantive issue -- gas prices -- wasn't asked until halfway through the hour-long program.




When I first heard about the Clinton campaign’s “oppo” plans last December, the “Ayers theme” was already in the mix (along with Rev. Wright and Obama’s mother), all supposedly raising doubts about Obama’s patriotism.

When the Ayers theme failed to catch on with the major news media at the start of the primary season, Clinton surrogates didn’t give up. They took the attack line to right-wing talk radio and the Internet where it was kept alive. Among others, Fox News’ Sean Hannity demanded that Obama be pressed on questions about Ayers.




Debate Payoff

The Clinton campaign’s doggedness paid off on at the April 16 debate in Philadelphia when ABC News moderator George Stephanopoulos framed the Ayers question much as the Clinton campaign and the right-wing media have, suggesting some dangerous association between Obama and a mad bomber.

Stephanopoulos even depicted Ayers as someone who had taken pleasure in the 9/11 attacks, saying: “In fact, on 9/11 he was quoted in the New York Times saying, ‘I don’t regret setting bombs; I feel we didn’t do enough.’”


At this point, Sen. Clinton could have demurred, but instead chose to pile on. (After all, her campaign has been flogging this theme for months behind the scenes.) She also couldn’t resist pushing the 9/11 hot button.

“If I’m not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York, and I would hope to every American, because they were published on 9/11 and he said he was just sorry they hadn’t done more. And what they did was set bombs and in some instances people died,” Clinton said.

In their comments, both Clinton and Stephanopoulos led viewers to believe that Ayers had either hailed the 9/11 attacks or used the 9/11 tragedy as a ghoulish opportunity to suggest that more bombings were desirable.



But that wasn’t true. The offensive comment that Clinton and Stephanopoulos referred to was from an interview about a memoir that Ayers published earlier in 2001. The comment was included in a New York Times article that appeared in the newspaper’s Sept. 11, 2001, edition.

As Sen. Clinton and Stephanopoulos surely knew, that edition went to press on Sept. 10, hours before the 9/11 attacks. In other words, the Ayers comment had no relationship to the 9/11 attacks.

What Clinton and Stephanopoulos did was what lawyers refer to as “prejudicial” – they introduced an emotional component, 9/11, in a deceptive way to elicit a visceral reaction from those listening.

After the debate, the New York Times published a fact-checking article that noted the time discrepancy between Ayers’s comment and 9/11:

“Mr. Ayers did not make the remarks after the attacks on the World Trade Center that day. The interview had been conducted earlier, in connection with a memoir that he had published, Fugitive Days, and he was referring to his experience in the Weather Underground.”



For a political couple criticized in the past for “doing or saying anything to get elected,” the Clintons seem determined to prove their critics right.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Neck Deep: The Disastrous Presidency of George W. Bush, was written with two of his sons, Sam and Nat, and can be ordered at neckdeepbook.com. His two previous books, Secrecy & Privilege: The Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq and Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth' are also available there. Or go to Amazon.com.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/050308.html
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:21 AM
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1. Incredible. This needs to be kicked and recommended.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:24 AM
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24. Kick.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:26 AM
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2. OMG! A MUST-READ....Clinton is TERRIBLE!! America WAKE UP!!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:33 AM
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3. Power hungry filth they are. n/t
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:33 AM
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4. K&R
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:38 AM
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5. No surprises here
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:39 AM by Egnever
I'll still K&R
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:52 AM
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6. .
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:58 AM
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7. Hillary was correct to state that Ayers' comment was "published on 9/11"
Bill Ayers apparently agrees with Al Quaida that sometimes it is necessary to use violence against the United States and her Government - even if it means causing people to be killed - and that this can be justified as a legitimate response to "injustice".

I guess you can argue that it was "bad luck" that Ayers' remarks were published by the NYT on 9/11/2001.

But there is still an important distinction between, on the one hand, people who insist on following the non-violent path pioneered by Dr Martin Luther King Jr., and on the other hand people who believe in using acts of violence as a means to achieve political objectives (whether it is done in the name of the US Government or in opposition to the US Government).

As far as I know, yhe only time Bill Ayers had any kind of connection with Barack Obama's political activities was one meeting back in 1995. Ayers has had zero involvement in Obama's political activities since he first became a member of the Illinois State Senate. Therefore it would be wrong for anyone to claim that Ayers and Obama have some kind of "friendship".
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:23 AM
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8. Other than that they sat on the board of The Wood Fund together
Do a little research
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:28 AM
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10. That's so sick of you. That Charity Board has been research, I'm sure.....
and you ain't linking to shit, cause you don't have shit to link to.

Here's my essay in photos. Then tell me why I and mine should stay members of this party if Hillary Clinton becomes the nominee through some kind of race baiting Coup.


"there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate"


"Jesse Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."



"He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”


"there's a difference between denouncing and rejecting."


denouncing and rejecting This guy




Ed Rendel Endorses Louis Farrakhan, same guy Hillary wanted Obama to denounce and renounce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:04 AM
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12. .
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:20 PM
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35. K&R
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Alameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:39 AM
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11. So what?
I've been on boards with other people. Other than the project we were working on, I have no idea of their ideas in other areas. Even then, some of them I really did not care for. So what does being on a board have to do with anything?
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:26 AM
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9. The right must be very perturbed with Hillary
She eating all their crumbs. I guess his deceased mother is still available.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:18 AM
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13. Win is the name of the play.
I am so hoping we will not have Bill back in the WH and that is what we will get. Any one who has ever been married knows this is how it will work out. Any thing Hillary does in her thinking will be toned to wards Bill. Good or bad planning??? It can not be any other way. She will just have to prove she did it on her own and every will know she did not. PLus Bill's history will have to be watched. We could vote for a women but not this one. Enough of the Bush's and Clinton's. It has been a life time of these two groups and I have had it, and with the place the country is in, we all should be done with these two groups.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:27 AM
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14. I defended them through the 90s... they are SCUM.
Edited on Mon May-05-08 06:27 AM by npincus
Real scum. They are Republicans in drag.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:44 AM
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15. Agreed...
This primary season has so changed my opinion of them... I won't go further with what I could say, but what they have done, the Repukes dirty work, well, they might as well be Repukes, WTH is the difference when she's threatening to nuke Iran, she's as bad as John McCain... wait til the GOP rips her to shreds.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:58 AM
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17. Same here..
...and then they do THIS?

Republicans in drag is almost too nice.
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:11 AM
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20. T-R
trans-Rethuglicans
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:49 PM
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32. Yes......but they're OUR scum.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:04 PM
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33. Same here plus defending them way past the 90's
I can't believe how mislead/betrayed I was by them. :-(
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:57 AM
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16. I am not of the judgement that The Clintons deserve my vote after what they've
done to this process and this party.

They are Republican through-and-through and have put their full Red color on display in this.
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:04 AM
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18. I have criticized many times those who post that they will not vote for the Dem nominee
but with each passing day, voting for Clinton, should she be our nominee, is becoming an increasingly distasteful prospect.

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:02 PM
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28. understandable
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:09 AM
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19. K&R
It's sad to read. :( This entire situation sucks. America will be well served when their breed of waste is filtered from the party and it can go back to being truly rather than facetiously Democratic.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:15 AM
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21. knr
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:15 AM
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22. God, we're so close to being free of these people.
Finish them!
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:20 AM
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23. Zombies came to mind when I read that...(nt)
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:11 PM
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30. Beuf pow zwap boom svit slap bash snit bewmf kick crack
:evilgrin:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:08 PM
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25. K&R
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:38 PM
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26. Buh-Bye Hill!
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:19 PM
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27. yawn. any criticism of Obama is "dirty tricks, etc." give it up. nt
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katerinasmommy Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:39 PM
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37. Criticism
Criticism is valid. Distortion is not. Obama met Ayers a handful of times. I would venture a guess that he didn't even know Ayers background. Someone said to him, this is Bill Ayers and Obama said oh hi Bill. Hell I'm in my forties too and I wouldn't have known who the guy was. But that's the Clintons for you, anything to win!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:08 PM
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29. We can look forward to losing Dem reps again if they take the WH.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:14 PM
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31. I wouldn't sully my finger by pushing a button for that woman, not ever. Nothing. But. Trash - that
needs to be taken out.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:14 PM
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34. Damn fine excellent read. This deserves a huge K&R.
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katerinasmommy Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:34 PM
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36. I don't understand
What I don't understand is why people thought the Clintons were anything else but like this. I volunteered for the Tsongas campaign back in 92. I saw the lies that were being spread by the Clintons about that very good and decent man. Anything to win has always been their motto. ANYTHING TO WIN

Hillary is now vowing to smash OPEC. Her lust for power has gotten so great that she's willing to literally look insane. Or maybe she is insane. Not sure which.
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:10 PM
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38. The mind boggles ...
:kick: & recommend

GObama!
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Heathen57 Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:23 PM
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39. K & R
Hillary calling herself a Democrat is a friggin' joke.
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:30 PM
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40. I have a gloomy outlook for this election
and for the Party regardless of what happens. I'm afraid the Democratic Party is headed for a split based on the tone of this campaign and its rhetoric. Hillary has defined herself pretty clearly now as representing a wing of the party that for lack of a better description are the Reagan Democrats. They are not, and as far as I know have never been, the majority of Democratic voters, but at this point Hillary has basically declared a culture war on the "elitist" left wing of the party. That means that not only would it be nigh impossible for Hillary or her supporters to take it all back and say "just kidding, we support the nominee" if Obama finally gets the nomination, but if Hillary wins then the majority of Democrats will now and probably hereafter be forced to accept the dominance of the Party by right-wingers or be attacked outright in every primary election with bigotry and accusations of cultural deviance and un-American ideology. It blows my mind that some people distrust Obama on gay rights and women's rights because of the traditional opinions of the "black church" he's associated with, but somehow believe Hillary is going to champion those rights while running a hardcore "us-against-them" campaign aimed at blue-collar conservatives -- or alternatively that anybody will ever take her seriously again if she tries to shrug off her anti-liberal rhetoric with a "just kidding" shift after the election is over.

So it seems like the Party would have to split, unless "we," the rest of the Democrats, are just going to suck it up and take it -- which I admit is not totally unlikely. But I am going to be really sad if/when I end up being one of the last members of Jimmy Carter's party. Anybody who doesn't understand that feeling shouldn't go around calling themself a Democrat.
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FogCityJohn Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:45 PM
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43. Splitting the party
The Clintons were a disaster for the Democratic Party in the 1990s in part because they refused to dispute, and in fact embraced, the Republicans' framing of most major issues. This was the core of Bill Clinton's "triangulation" strategy, in which he sought to pose as a reasonable middle ground between the extremes of left and right. Unfortunately, the strategy involved dumping on liberal Democrats in Congress, people who *should* have been Clinton's allies and would have been had he shown any loyalty to his party. So Bill defied the party and gave us NAFTA and welfare "reform" after Hillary totally screwed up the health care initiative.

Now Hillary is basically using a version of the same strategy. She's bought into and promoted every single right-wing talking point about her own party. So if she manages to slime her way to the nomination, you'll once again have the spectacle of a nominee who's viciously attacked her own party and its most loyal supporters. Hillary can talk about how "electable" she thinks she is, but after the contempt she's shown for the very people who put her and her husband into office (i.e., African-Americans, liberals, Democratic activists) it's highly unlikely she'll be able to win the general election. Who, exactly, is going to vote for her? The people she's slandering right now? I don't think so. Senator Clinton and her supporters need to understand that there are costs to her sleazy strategy, and not just to the party but to Clinton herself.
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nachoproblem Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:57 AM
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46. What gets me emotionally about this election
is that the Clintons have now gone beyond the Republican framing of economic issues (which I could take, maybe) and on to the Republican framing of social issues and what constitutes political discourse and Patriotism itself. It cuts to the heart of all that I ever learned about politics and what the Democrats are supposed to stand for from my parents, a couple of lifelong and highly educated "elitist" liberals; from our discussions about McCarthy, civil rights, the Vietnam War, Nixon, and all of that, I got my sense of what it meant for a party to stand on principle as opposed to sensation and ad-hominem attacks. The first election I was old enough to be aware of was the Reagan "revolution," and from it I learned the disappointment that people could be so shortsighted as to openly revile a leader, Carter, who tried above all to be just and compassionate. I learned that these are the values of our party, to which we aspire but the other side choses to see as weakness. This "triangulation" movement is billed as pragmatism but it really means deserting principle for power, might makes right.

I don't think Hillary is inept, but I do think she must be somewhat delusional. She seems to actually believe that she will win because the Republicans in the swing states will to vote for her. She seems to believe this is why people like Scaife and Limbaugh have been helping her, and not that they are just using her to drive a wedge into the Democratic Party. Perhaps she's somehow blocked out of her memory the entire political stage of the 90's, where they were the leaders of a passionate crusade against her and Bill (in which we tried to defend them). I can't see how that's possible, with how personal and palpable the right wing's ire for her was. Or perhaps she believes that they didn't actually hate her but were trying to educate and groom her in the ways of power so that -- I don't know -- she could join them and together they would rule the galaxy. Is that how turning to the dark side works? One thing I know about the dark side, they weed out and consume the trusting and the unwary.

From what else I've learned about history I understand that the Democratic Party has shifted in its meaning many times before, most recently from when the so-called "New Deal Coalition" broke down and the Southern Democrats left over civil rights. Usually, when a party splits or changes polarity, it results in victory for the opposition. Ironically that's how we got Bill Clinton, with Perot splitting the Republican vote. So I fear for what will happen. But the other side of that coin is that when people want change badly enough there can not be two parties representing the status quo. A new power will emerge one way or another. So maybe we can also have hope.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:38 PM
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41. K & R
Edited on Mon May-05-08 10:39 PM by invictus
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:47 PM
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42. Please, oh please God
never let me find myself in a voting booth having to choose between John McCain and Hillary Clinton for president of the United States. I have voted in 10 presidential elections and I have never voted for a Republican but if I am honest with myself I would have to admit I would give it consideration under these circumstances even though I personally believe John McCain is losing his mind. There are no words to describe how angry I am with the Clinton's. I defended them in the 90's until I was blue in the face. This is all such a pity.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:32 AM
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44. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:36 AM
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