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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:12 AM
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Indiana - The Numbers
Edited on Mon May-05-08 08:09 AM by dbmk
Hello guys and girls!

Time for another little post on the numbers of a coming primary contest.

I'll start with Indiana (North Carolina will follow asap)

Lets get right into it:

Indiana




According to the http://indems.3cdn.net/1efd23d4bb4d8dce3d_tam6bp2v2.htm">Selection Plan for Indiana the pledged delegates are distributed as follows:

  1. District-Level Delegates: 47 - distributed over 9 districts of varying size allocations.
  2. Pledged PLEO Delegates: 9
  3. At-Large Delegates: 16

For a total of 72 pledged delegates at stake in tomorrows primary.

Lets have a look at the districts. I am going to work from the different predictions I have been able to find on the different blogs out there.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/4/161114/5058/573/508962">PsiFighter37 at dKos
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/05/indiana-toss-up-but-tilts-clinton.html">fivethirtyeight.coms computermodel
http://electioninspection.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/election-inspections-final-indiana-projection/">Elliot at electioninspection - he won the prediction contest on PA at TheField.

Note: There is quite a few districts with even numbered delegates. In general that seems to work in Obamas favour here as there might be a few where Hillary will break 50% but not overwhelmingly. (In other states it hasn't been in his favour - before someone starts crying foul and what have you.)


6 delegates - Split percentages | 8,333% | 25,000% | 41,667% | 58,333% | 75,000% | 91,667% |
Prediction: Obama 3 Clinton 3

Second largest AA population of the districts. Close to Chicago. Thats points for Obama in what otherwise might look more like a Clinton area. Most seem to agree that neither will break the 58,333% threshold though. So thats going even split. It might be an outside shot a +2 for Obama if the AA+Chicago influence is stronger than expected.



6 delegates -- Split percentages | 8,333% | 25,000% | 41,667% | 58,333% | 75,000% | 91,667% |
Prediction:Obama 3 Clinton 3

Again 58,333% is the threshold for a 4-2 split. Should be Clinton area but apparently the polls show Obama even with Clinton in north Indiana - so this is again called for an even split. this one tilts to Clinton though, so could be 4-2 in her favour.



4 delegates -- Split percentages | 12,500% | 37,500% | 62,500% | 87,500% |
Prediction: Obama 2 Clinton 2

Borders a 60-40 Ohio district for Clinton. This areas a bit more mixed - but should be a sure win for Clinton. Everyone agrees that 62,5% is a bit far fetched though. Even split again.



4 delegates -- Split percentages | 12,500% | 37,500% | 62,500% | 87,500% |
Prediction: Obama 2 Clinton 2

Another 4 delegate district with a tough 62,5% threshold that will make it hard for Clinton to make a delegate gain here. This district stretches half of Indiana from north to south. Mostly rural with some Indianapolis suburbs. Purdue University gives Obama a little plus. Clinton wins here, but not enough. Split again.



4 delegates -- Split percentages | 12,500% | 37,500% | 62,500% | 87,500% |
Prediction: Obama 2 Clinton 2

Looks like CD#4. Above average income. 538 calls it: "Home to Indiana's bourgeoisie" - but also very republican overall. Giving the gasbag a chance of meddling some. Depending on the Limbaugh vote, this could be an Obama win - but still only for a split.
(By now it should be clear to new readers what restrictions the district delegates puts on the overall development in the remaining primaries.)



5 delegates -- Split percentages | 10,000% | 30,000% | 50,000% | 70,000% | 90,000% |
Prediction: Obama 2 Clinton 3

The only district with an odd number of delegates. That will hand Clinton +1 delegate in a mostly, geographically at least, rural district that borders Ohio heavily and is the least educared area. Obama got just under 40 in the neighbouring Ohio district and there are some Indianapolis suburban like areas in play with a large part of the population in this district, so it is deemed more or less impossible for Clinton to break the 70% needed for a 4-1 split.



6 delegates -- Split percentages | 8,333% | 25,000% | 41,667% | 58,333% | 75,000% | 91,667% |
Prediction: Obama 4 Clinton 2

Indianapolis. 29.4% AA population. Even though the demographics are seemingly not as favourable as in you would normally see in an urban district like this, Obama should be able to break the 58,333% for a 4-2 split, but 75% for a 5-1 seems out of the question.



6 delegates -- Split percentages | 8,333% | 25,000% | 41,667% | 58,333% | 75,000% | 91,667% |
Prediction: Obama 2 Clinton 4

Should be Clinton leaning land, even if it neighbours Obamas Illionois. Some think Hillary can break the 58,333% for 4-2 split. And given that its Bayhs hometurf as well, it is very likely. If Obama does good overall theres a good shot at him holding this for an even split. But expect 4-2 Clinton.



6 delegates -- Split percentages | 8,333% | 25,000% | 41,667% | 58,333% | 75,000% | 91,667% |
Prediction: Obama 3 Clinton 3

Again heavy Clinton land (borders Kentucky to boot) - but former, and apparently still quite popular, congressman (30+) years Lee Hamilton has endorsed Obama and we have Indiana University in Bloomington that should give Obama a buffer to keep Clinton under 58,333%. Yet another split.

That gives us a total on the district level delegates of:

Obama 23 - Clinton 24



This could move +/- 4 for both as some of the above predictions could be quite close. More likely for Clinton than Obama perhaps.

Statewide delegates

Realclearpolitics have a average on the polls atm at just under 6%. I am going to err on the side of Clinton here and go with a mini-PA result of 8% for a 54-46 win (which will probably be rounded up to a tripledigit win).
That gives us:

Pledged Party Leaders and Elected Officials (PLEOs)
9 delegates -- Split percentages | 5,556% | 16,667% | 27,778% | 38,889% | 50,000% | 61,111% | 72,222% |

83,333% | 94,444% |
Obama 4 - Clinton 5

The 3-6 split is out of the question. That would mean a 22 point win for Hillary.

At-Large Delegates
16 Delegates
Split percentages from 4 to 12 | 21,875% | 28,125% | 34,375% | 40,625% | 46,875% | 53,125% | 59,375% | 65,625% | 71,875% |
Obama 7 - Clinton 9

This could go 8-8 if Obama keeps it under a 6,25 point loss. 6-10 would mean a 30 point loss. Not happening.

That gives us a grand total of:

Obama 34 - Clinton 38



A 4 delegate win for Senator Clinton. Two of my mentioned predictors even have it 36-36. Could be 32-40 if Hillary has a good day.

There is not really a big win scenario for Hillary here, unless she really breaks out in the districts beyond all expectations.

Anyways - there you have it. What do YOU think?

I will follow up with North Carolina later today.
(13 districts.. Why can't they all be more like http://journals.democraticunderground.com/dbmk/1">Guam?).
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aquarius dawning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:21 AM
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1. About what I've been figuring. I'll be curious to see how NC pans out though.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:24 AM
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2. thanks...
bookmarking for tomorrow.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:25 AM
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3. 1 and 2 are suposed to be heavy Obama areas. nt
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:31 AM
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4. Would have to go about 60-40 for Obama
to get the 4-2 split. I have seen a few predictions that it might happen in CD#1. Would surprise me though.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:32 AM
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5. Thank you very much indeed.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:33 AM
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6. Wow, thank you for all your hard work!
Also bookmarking for tomorrow!

:applause:

(hoping Obama pulls out a squeaker!)
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:42 AM
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7. I'm impressed!
Thanks for taking the time to post this. :)
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:58 AM
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8. Thanks so much! Great work.
I'll be checking back as tomorrow unfolds.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 09:59 AM
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9. There will be repub meddling in ALL districts. May not have much effect in 1 & 7.
Evan Bayh has a HUGE influence in the southern part of the state too. I hope you're right, but this looks optimistic for Obama, imo.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:27 AM
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10. thanks for a great post
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:04 PM
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11. **Excellent** analysis, dbmk!
Can't wait to see your NC post.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:47 PM
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12. Good work! Thank you!
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:53 PM
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13. Thanks all
and time to kick this back up top.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:04 PM
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14. Very good assessment! I tend to agree, BUT
I won't be in the least surprised if District 1 breaks heavily enough for Obama to gain a 4/2 split.

Less likely, but it's possible that the At-Large delegates will end up even, due to a <6% difference in the popular vote.

Still, thanks a lot for a post that I'm happy to recommend. I wish more posts in GDP were like yours, instead of the constant stream of total shit that we have to wade through every damn day.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:08 PM
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15. Wow, thanks for posting! Kick, kick, kick.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:12 PM
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16. I love these threads. Thanks.
:kick:
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:26 PM
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17. North Carolina thread up
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:31 PM
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18. K&R, Sweet Job!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:32 PM
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19. kick
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:52 PM
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20. Great post -- thanks!
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 06:54 PM
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21. Nice work as always.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:06 PM
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22. What is your popular vote % prediction and how close were you on your PA prediction both pop vote
anddelegate count?
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:23 PM
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23. PA I first had at 8% and 8 delegates for Clinton
Edited on Mon May-05-08 07:25 PM by dbmk
The late PPP poll having Obama +3 made me shift to 4% and 4 delegates for Clinton. Make of that what you want. In hindsight I was coaxing myself into being a bit too optimistic. :)
Popular vote I haven't been dealing in so much.

This is more a compilation of the work linked at the beginning. Trying see what the consensus is and what not be and then compile it for comsumption here at DU.

And then see what you guys think about it. Chances are you are in a way better position to know of any issues in it, than this number crazy Dane.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:14 PM
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27. Well, go ahead and give YOUR personal Indiana % prediction. Can't hurt.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:40 PM
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24. Bounce
:bounce:
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:05 PM
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25. Quick kick before I go to bed.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 08:13 PM
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26. Big K/R for such hard work! n/t
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 02:03 AM
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28. Thanks!
And a little morning kick on the day.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 05:43 AM
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29. And a lunch kick
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:03 AM
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30. kick!
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 04:26 PM
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31. Back the top before the polls close
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:06 PM
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32. kick
:kick:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:45 PM
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33. ...
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:13 PM
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34. District vote numbers? Anyone know where to find any?
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