Holy Catfish! We Got Us $30! It's MAD Money!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

Poll question: Holy Catfish! We Got Us $30! It's MAD Money!

Where do you think the magic money comes from, this $30 we will all save, if we take a pleasant Hawaiian holiday from our federal gasoline tax?

As I carefully dip my big toe, only on my left foot, into the feted cesspool that has become GD-Primaries, I ask those who support this harebrained idea if they have a clue where that mystery money is coming from?

[gateley]

1. Option #1 AND Other:

It comes from us. We ultimately end up footing the bill for everything.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

4. Everything?

Shit.

That bums me out.

I hate paying for these:

The Magic Goat Rides should be free!

[Boz]

2. You forgot vegas, where everything is free and they give all kinds of free stuff away

Just to have you visit.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

3. Doh!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

5. Kicking

Because this post can not die yet....

[flpoljunkie]

6. And, Hillary "born-again populist" Clinton knows this, and knows her proposal will go nowhere!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

8. It will take you

to the secret place where her supporters have checked their critical thinking at the door.

[dchill]

57. A Bilderberger campout?

:)

[TBF]

7. Maybe Lotto can supply the money - they are really good at the false hopes stuff.

[Boz]

12. Kind of funny historical fact, just such public Lotteries are how the republic got its funding start

[TBF]

14. Heh. I just googled it and you are right. Apparently the Virginia Lottery

funded half of Jamestown's budget. Interesting!

[Boz]

16. Literally the guns that protected Philladelphia while the congress wrote the constitution, were paid

for by a lottery arranged for by none other than Benjamin Franklin.

And George Washington was involved in a failed lottery in 1768, here is an image of the ticket with his signature right on it



Interestingly the single ticket today is worth more multifold as a collectors item than the whole lottery raised.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

20. I didn't know

any of this stuff about the lottery. What was the prize?

[Boz]

36. Same as today a large sum for a low purchase, but Alexander Hamilton put it best, set the precedence

Alexander Hamilton wrote that lotteries should be kept simple, and that, "Everybody...will be willing to hazard a trifling sum for the chance of considerable gain...and would prefer a small chance of winning a great deal to a great chance of winning little."

This was written when the Continental Congresses was discussing use of Lotteries to raise money to support the Colonial Army at the outset of the Revolutionary War which it later moved to do.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

9. kicking

so there

[demwing]

10. It's the $9 Billion "Lost" in Iraq!

Ooops! Our Bad. FOUND IT! Nevermind!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

18. Where is it?

This guy kissed it good-bye long ago.

[demwing]

24. It's in your Incentive check

and in you gas tax holiday.

[killbotfactory]

11. I'll be able to afford a few more gallons of milk this summer!

Maybe even a big bag of rice. Hooray!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

21. Ice

I am buying ice

for the margaritas

[Obamanaut]

13. Other. I just went and bought some new plants and made me a

new flower bed. I have a fountain on order, do you think they'll give me another holiday bonus to pay for that too?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

17. I'm tellin' ya'

The gasoline tax vacation is nothing more than a boat wreck


Gilligan

[Obamanaut]

25. Does putting in a small three-tiered fountain make me elitist?

[QueenOfCalifornia]

26. Only if

you hold up your pinky while drinking an elitist sauvignon blanc while sitting, within view, of its gurgling beauty.

[dchill]

58. Hee-hee - you said "tiered"...

You elitist.
;)

edit: Kant spel.

[Obamanaut]

61. But I looked it up in my Webster's that I used in high school (it's

held together with duct tape) from whence I graduated in 1960. Damn trifocals!

Edited to add: I think I'm confused (not uncommon anymore.) Is it elitist because of the word 'tiered' or because I have one that is. I don't mind being it, just want to know why it's so.

BTW: I'm putting in a rose vine this afternoon, and an electrical outlet for the fountain and a light. Retirement is your friend!

[dchill]

62. 1960. Then I'm just a kid - 1969.

It's my take that people who regularly use the term "elitist" are usually hoping to avoid being perceived as elitist, while being part of the crowd that's making it a dirty word, like "librul" and "arugula." Congrats on your outdoor projects!

[Obamanaut]

66. Thanks. nt

[noel711]

15. Sadly, the talking heads on MSNBC this morning..

the ever compassionate Pat Buchanan and his side-kick rational JOe Scarborough
were demeaning Obamba's rational for not supporting the "Gas tax vacation'
by saying "$30 is a lot of money for working class people..."
(it grates on my nerves that these two are the spokemen for
'working class.')

Idiots. If someone gave you $30 outright, that's enough for one half tank of gas.

The kicker is the $30 is from 3 months of the summer,
so it's $10 per month, or approximately 30 cents a day. Big money.

NO mention of the result of omitting the gas tax... loss of road crew jobs,
loss of road and bridge repairs...

[QueenOfCalifornia]

19. HEY!

Who told you that making sense in DU Primaries was allowed!:eyes:

[SoCalDem]

29. "working class" = bumpkin, redneck know-nothing

to the screaming heads, Hillary campaigners..

The spin has a gravity zone of its very own these days.. The PEOPLE who are lapping this up are to be pitied, but then that would be "elitist" of me, wouldn't it:(

I just cannot fathom someone being so uninformed that they would "sell" their vote for a half tank of gas...but then republicans have been selling their votes for years on bullshit promises that never delivered..

[QueenOfCalifornia]

51. I think you should

read the rest of this thread... Lapping... It.....Up.

[dchill]

59. Uh, Pat? Joe? $30 is NOT a lot of money - to ANYBODY.

It's about ten bucks in 2001 money. Thank your buddies George and Dick.

[L0oniX]

22. Gee Bill Clinton enacted a $0.05 gas tax so I guess we could be getting $30 of that back....

from Hillary. I think the Clinton family needs to make up its mind about gas taxes.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

23. Shhhh!

Don't even mention NAFTA.

[boppers]

27. Magic Pony Land!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPONTneuaF4

[Cha]

28. Stop! Just Stop making fun of hilary's Pandering!

[aquarius dawning]

30. I overheard a young lady at a gas station today commenting that it was getting to the point

where she had to choose between food and gas. I think any relief is welcome and it's a good god damned start. so, to you fucking assholes that are joking about this, fuck you.

[Blue-Jay]

31. How's it gonna pass the House, the Senate, and NOT get vetoed...

before the official beginning of Summer?

Has the bill even been written yet?

so yeah... Before you start calling people assholes and saying "fuck you", tell us how it's going to work.

I'll wait.

[aquarius dawning]

32. maybe we can all sit around and just "hope" that it fixes itself.

No, you want to joke about it and you want to call it pandering and you want to resist it all in the name of the all mighty Obama. We've got John mcCain on board and we've got Hillary Clinton on board. It's doable except some of us want to play politics with it. Tell me then, what has Barack Obama proposed to provide immediate relief to people like the young lady in the gas station? I'll wait.

[Blue-Jay]

33. I didn't joke about shit, so answer my question.

How's it gonna happen before Summer begins?

[aquarius dawning]

34. It won't happen now that Obama decided to play politics with it.

It's his fault and the fault of his supporters who turned it into a political football. Had he chosen to handle itbdifferently, it could have happened. But that's not how it panned out. So you're right, it isn't going to happen. So go ahead and joke about it some more now while people choose between buying gas or food. Revel in it.

[Blue-Jay]

35. Again... I didn't joke or revel about ANYthing.

Has the bill been authored yet?

How did Obama kill a bill that hasn't been authored, passed the House, or sent to the Senate?

[aquarius dawning]

37. how bout we fight about this tomorrow?

[Blue-Jay]

39. Nothing to fight about.

There's no bill, nor any way of implementing the idea of a temporary gas tax relief for the Summer. See? Nothing. "Just words".

[aquarius dawning]

43. OK. once again. Why isn't there any bill? Because Obama, along with all of his supporters

want to turn this into a political football. The idea has the support of both Hillary Clinton and John McCain. It would be doable if Obama was on board but he's not. So, I'll ask again, what is Obama's plan for providing immediate relief to poor people struggling with the hyper-inflated gas prices?

[Blue-Jay]

45. No. You are incorrect.

There's no bill because nobody has bothered to write one. You can't keep blaming Obama for something that never happened. The fact that McCain also supports this, while not inspiring any confidence from me, should mean that a bill of this nature (when someone bothers to submit it), should get enough congressional support to be veto-proof. Yet, there's no bill. Only talk.

If anyone is to blame, it's the people who support this idea but haven't managed to try to get it off the ground. You can't blame Obama for everything. (Well, maybe YOU can, but that doesn't reinvent reality.)

[aquarius dawning]

46. I can and do blame him. He has effectively killed the idea by throwing his weight against it.

If all three forces were comitted to this idea, it would happen. But that isn't how it worked out.

[Blue-Jay]

47. Why doesn't someone submit the bill to force his hand?

Maybe because it's a stupid feel-good idea with no basis in economic reality?

Either that or it's Obama's fault.

[aquarius dawning]

48. It seems to me that if all three forces were fully comitted to this idea, it would be quite doable.

as it stands now, Obama and his supporters are the obstructionists. they want to play political fopotball rather than provide relief to the working poor who really are being ruined by hyper-inflated gas prices. I don't see any other way to see it. Do you believe that hyper-inflated gas prices are seriously hurting the working poor? I do. What does Obama propose to do about it?

[LSK]

65. How does Obama prevent one of the other 99 Senators from writing a bill??

Please use logic for heavens sake!!!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

38. Yes for

Johnny Cash with an attitude.

I have always loved that pic!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

40. It is only a joke

To people who support this stupid assed comedy called a vacation from the gas tax.

You need to check with your rational meter - I think it's broken

[QueenOfCalifornia]

41. I forgot to add

that you are missing the whole point.

And BTW back at ya with the fuck you.

I still love the Johnny Cash pic.

[aquarius dawning]

44. Dick

and Jane ran up the hill.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

49. You are inebriated and posting

you should stop.

Really.

Your drinking thread was very telling. Too bad the mod's removed the evidence.

I really hope you find some peace. Attacking people who don't buy into a scam contrived by The Straight Talk Express is bizzarro land. The Gas Tax Holiday is "irresponsible and illogical" and that is being reported by that bastion of liberal, breaking news, The Houston Chronicle -

Like I stated in the OP, WHERE DO YOU THINK THE MONEY IS COMING FROM?????

No sir, you are the DICK (and Jane)

[quakerboy]

42. Heres to you and your charming anecdote from your visit to the "other side"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5832348&mesg_id=5833017

[QueenOfCalifornia]

50. Thanks....

for bringing reason to this.

I can only hope that someday we can wander through GDP without the traditional Fuck You!

[dchill]

60. You're sweet. Except you get all defensive...

AND offensive about a base pander put forth by your lying, fake populist flaw-pile of a candidate.

[yardwork]

64. Imagine how much money we'd have without the war in Iraq.

What is it, 300 billion and climbing? Imagine how much "tax relief" ending the war would yield.

What are Hillary's plans for ending the war? Can't hear you.

[Texas Hill Country]

52. did any of you even listen to her proposal... by the responses above, i doubt it.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

53. Uh...

Yes.

I listened to her.

She got the whole harebrained idea from John Boom-Boom McCain.

I think you may need to Google this: Hillary, Gas Tax - You will find this:
<snip>More than 230 economists -- Democrats, Republicans, advisers to past presidents and four Nobel laureates -- signed a letter today opposing proposals by Clinton and presumptive Republican presidential nominee John McCain to suspend the 18-cent federal gas tax for the summer driving season.<snip>
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/05/economists_release_letter_oppo.html

for just one....

[dchill]

54. Genius here - I voted "Other"

The $$$ will come from your own pocket after the oil companies raise the price due to the demand caused by the lower prices. Meanwhile, highway maintenance and construction workers don't work. So, Hillary's telling us to give ourselves $30. Brilliant!

Meanwhile, we're supposed to believe that she can make this happen before she's elected to anything - including the Democratic nomination. It's the most obvious empty pander I've seen. DOA before its birth.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

55. Uh...

That's Magic Pony Land. Didn't you get the memo?

[dchill]

56. I don't get those memos...

I've drunk the Obama-Aid.

[coyotespaw]

63. What about those of us that don't drive?

We're being disenfranchised by this.
:P

[TexasObserver]

67. For Hillary, $30 is Skoal money for a month.

a pinch between your cheek and gums