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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:14 PM
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Today's (May 5th) Gallup Poll: Obama +1 (50), Hillary unchanged (45)
Edited on Mon May-05-08 12:15 PM by jenmito
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:15 PM
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1. Nice!
Bouncing back, baby! Still pessimistic about tomorrow, but this is good news.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:16 PM
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4. Yeah, so am I...
at least this way I'll be pleasantly surprised if he does better than expected.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:17 PM
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6. You need to be optimistic.
Arent you an Obama supporter?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:22 PM
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15. Since I feel the same way, I'll answer for me-the polls show Hillary getting way too
close in NC and winning in IN. I hope they're wrong, of course.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:26 PM
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18. Mark my words, Obama will win NC by a wider margin in contrast to what will happen in Indiana
I looked at SUSA's crosstabs and they are not nearly accurate in my opinion. If I were you I would trust Suffolk way more.

Suffolk however has not factored in independents as much as SUSA, so the overall numbers could look much better for Obama.

Bottomline SUSA is an outlier. They underestimated the early voting. They underestimated Obama's AA support. They are overestimating Hillary's advantage over democrats.

Their poll will look silly tomorrow night. :)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:51 PM
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27. Since you're obviously a wise guy,
I WILL mark your words and feel a little better. Thanks. :hi:
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:27 PM
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19. Indiana has Cheated over 1 million Voters out of their right to vote, most in large black areas
Get the word out FIGHT

E-MAIL: Indiana "a whopping 1,134,427 voter registrations have been cancelled"
BBV report: Exclusive - Indiana's Incredible Shrinking Voter List
Monday, May 5, 2008 3:35 AM
From: "Black Box Voting" <blackboxvoting@worldnet.att.net >

In April 2008 when Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita announced the release of "record high" voter registration rolls, with 4.3 million voters set to vote in the Tuesday May 6 primary, he didn't mention that a whopping 1,134,427 voter registrations have been cancelled.

Now, the voter rolls are supposed to be tidied up prior to each election. Indiana's last general election was in Nov. 2006, and they have had a slew of special and general elections since then. So how have 1.1 million voters -- 26 percent of the current statewide list -- escaped the voter registration cleanup squad? Who are these million voters and where do they come from?

One quarter-million of them come from just two northwestern Indiana counties: Lake and Porter. Lake County reports purging 137,164 voters and neighboring Porter County cancelled out 124,958 voters.

Lake County, the home of Gary, Indiana, has spawned the Jackson Five and a great old musical (The Music Man) and has been referred to as "the second most liberal county in America." Lake County also has one of the heaviest concentrations of African-American voters that you'll find anywhere in the USA.

Nearby Porter County, the home of Valparaiso, is 95% white and went solidly for Bush in the 2004 election. It's also got a lot of college students.

For whatever reason, these two counties had ... what ... massive data entry problems? Exceptionally messy records? Lots of dead people who climbed back into their graves? I truly hope we aren't going to see a lot of disappointed voters on Tuesday, when they perhaps learn that they were among the lucky million people who got purged.

HERE'S WHERE THE HEAVIEST INDIANA PURGES ARE:

Lake 137,164 48% (Gary)
Porter 124,958 115% (Valparaiso)
Marion 68,120 10% (Indianapolis)
Monroe 66,009 85% (Bloomington)
Tippecanoe 53,456 58%
Madison 42,952 47% (Anderson)
Hamilton 42,325 26%

Here's a picture map with the numbers and percentages for the whole state:


The percentage represents the ratio of the number of purges to the current voter list. Example: If a location currently has 100,000 voters on its rolls, and purged 53,000 along the way, we assign a ratio of 53% to the purge vs. current list.

It would be nice to have the original quantities, it would make for a cleaner number, but this is not available on the Secretary of State's Web site, so I haven't got a tidier statistic for you, wish I did. I also wish the time period for these purges was clearly indicated, but it is not indicated -- nor can it be derived -- from available information at Indiana's official election Web site.

TOOLS YOU CAN USE

It's always interesting to look for impossible numbers on election night, like the "more votes than voters" situation that sometimes crops up. It speeds things up to have a place to plug the information in. Here is a spreadsheet -- quick and not too fancy, I'm sure you can improve on it. It has every Indiana county, along with their official registered voter statistics for the 2008 primary, and some historical data from 1992 to the present, along with links for the source documents from the secretary of state:

http://www.bbvdocs.org/IN/state/quickrank-INDIANAreg.xl...
(Excel file, 71 KB)

Here are links that may be very good to provide additional statistical information which you can plug in:

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/elections/index.html

And here is a link to the source document containing the cancelled registration information used for this article:

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/pdfs/Statewide_Voter_Co...

Here's a quick spreadsheet with the Indiana voting machines by county -- you can get that on the Sec. State's Web site too, but it's not in a database format. You can cut and paste these into your analysis sheets if you'd like to get comparisons of results by county.

AND NOW ABOUT THOSE VOTING MACHINES

Another press release on the Indiana Secretary of State's Web site deals with the $360,000 penalty he's hitting Microvote with for failing to follow the law. Oh yes, and the Microvote Infinity voting machine, which will be very widely used in the Tuesday May 6 primary, has been DECERTIFIED!

That's not going to stop anyone in Indiana from using it, however. The decision was that anyone who already bought these things gets to use them -- despite the fact that these machines have been embroiled in lawsuits in at least three places, one in Pennsylvania for machines that just didn't work, and two in Tennessee where candidates have asked to redo elections due to bizarre anomalies -- like vote totals that wandered away in the wee hours of the night.

Microvote's insurance company declined to cover the firm, according to yet another lawsuit, because the insurance company alleged that Microvote was selling defective products. The judge ruled against the insurance company, saying the product wasn't defective, it just didn't work.

I haven't plugged this in yet, but those of you who are comfortable with spreadsheets can quickly add the voting machines by county to your voter registration spreadsheet, using that voting machine spreadsheet I linked above, to see how many votes all together will be subjected to Microvote.

Ah, but we aren't done with Indiana voting machines yet. Indiana is also fond of the ES&S paperless iVotronic touch-screens, the ones that lost 18,000 votes in Sarasota County Florida and were the subject of a blistering report by Dan Rather. In Rather's report, he showed shocking footage of the touch-screens being manufactured in a sweat shop in the Philippines. Their quality control test was to shake the machine and if it didn't rattle, it passed the test.

THINGS YOU CAN DO ABOUT INDIANA

1. Do some public records requests to either the state or the counties, and ask for their VRG-5 form, which is the NVRA tracking form on which the number of voters purged must be reported.

For tips on how to do the records requests, here's our tool kit, scroll down to the section on public records:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/toolkit.html

Post the documents and ask for any advice you need here, and report your front-lines information for both Indiana and North Carolina here:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/73/73.html

I'm pushing hard right now to get TOOL KIT 2008 done -- it's a stripped-down model with emergency measures for the fall election. Unless you tell me not to, I'll let you know as soon as it's ready for download.

2. Another useful form you can request: The CEB-9 form, which is the Indiana County Election Report that must be turned in after the election. Here's one, take a look at the information it contains:

http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/pdfs/CEB-9.pdf

3. If you are a number-cruncher, grab the spreadsheets here and wail on 'em during Election night. You can get additional historical information from this site:
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
(Choose the drop-down menu "general by state" and select Indiana, then choose the year you want. Confusion factor -- this site color-codes Republican as blue and Democrat as Red. Has lots of good stuff).

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE: People usually catch things like "more votes than voters" weeks after the election. The dang Indiana information doesn't break voter registrations out by party which makes crunching the primary numbers a little harder. But you may still get the jump on some red flags if you track this stuff as it's coming in on spreadsheets that tell you what the stats are going in.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:43 PM
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23. Funny - they're not talking about THIS on the MSM...
It's really about a GAS TAX HOLIDAY!!! Oh, and Rev. Wright, of course.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:52 PM
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29. That's a disgrace!!! I'm going to email CNN and MSNBC with this info.
Thanks!
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:26 PM
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34. Maybe Keith Olbermann will cover it, I also sent an email to the Obama folks.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:39 PM
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35. I hope so. If ANYONE would cover it, it would be him. Thanks for sending an email to
Obama's campaign! :hi:
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:29 PM
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20. Yes, but I try to be realistic
There's a difference between wanting him to do well and predicting that he will do well. I am worried that Clinton has successfully gotten her message through that he is unelectable and that will scare voters away from him. And then the exit poll will show him doing worse with white voters, making him look even more unelectable. It's a vicious cycle that began in OH and has been in full force since PA and it's really frustrating.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:15 PM
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2. RISE OBAMA, RISE! GOBAMA!
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:19 PM
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10. Gallup
Notice again they call him leading Hillary by 5 not signifegent but Mccain leading him by 4 Is.Obama
has picket up 1 against Mccain since yesterday.Hillary should not be bragging about this poll.Noone
Is attacking her like Obama and she only ties Mccain.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:16 PM
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3. Trend looks promising!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:17 PM
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7. Yup-another storm weathered!
I hope this carried into IN and NC!
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The Ghost Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:17 PM
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5. 'Obama is sinking'
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAA

GOBAMA!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:18 PM
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9. Despite the media's desperate attempt to sink him,
it didn't work!
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:45 PM
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25. lol, yeah
like a helium balloon! Totally unelectable. :P
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:18 PM
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8. This makes the USA Today poll look bad!
:evilgrin:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:19 PM
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11. Also, Obama's giving a town hall right now in NC:
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:20 PM
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12. to me, that looks like the same graph that i saw yesterday
with the end happening on May 4th, not 5th, are you sure this is the latest one? didn't yesterday's look exactly the same?
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:20 PM
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13. Yesterday's was 49-45
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:20 PM
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14. Yesterday's graph was 49-45.
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:25 PM
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17. thanx to both you and thewiseguy for the info. n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:09 PM
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33. No problem!
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:24 PM
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16. 9-point swing toward Obama in past 3 days..... the big MO!
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:39 PM
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21. it's all random noise
with small forcing processes whenever there are significant news events. The forcing terms never last more than three sample days, so the maximum extent of each forcing event lasts 9 days, although on the average its around 4 days, or one days sample.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:43 PM
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22. Awesome. :)
I would love to know how he's so unelectable since he's been able to reach that 50 mark pretty consistently, and it's been a rough few weeks for him.

Great news!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:45 PM
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24. He will be down tomorrow. May 1-2 Numbers will wash out.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:56 PM
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30. Right. And Hillary will be the nominee.
:rofl:
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:59 PM
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31. She will.
She is going to steal it, remember.

:P
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 01:02 PM
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32. Not this time.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:46 PM
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26. Good news.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 12:51 PM
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28. Wow. Hillary is TANKING
Obliterating the truth, in a campaign near you!

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