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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:39 PM
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Clinton Steals One Show, , While Obama Endures Another
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:38 PM by rodeodance


Clinton Steals One Show, While Obama Endures Another




http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/us/politics/05watch.html


By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
Published: May 5, 2008

Senator Barack Obama sat hunched on Sunday across the desk from Tim Russert on “Meet The Press” on NBC and wearily endured question after question about his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton stood up from her armchair on Sunday to tower over George Stephanopoulos on “This Week” on ABC and merrily took on all critics, even the king of the Clinton-bashers, the talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh.

“He’s always had a crush on me,” Mrs. Clinton said with a sly smile.

Talk shows, even the more serious news programs, are never really about talk; they are about image and demeanor. Together, “Meet the Press” and its rival “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” provided an arresting tableau of the reversal of fortunes in the Democratic race. Mrs. Clinton was forceful, confident and at times even frisky as she easily deflected questions from Mr. Stephanopoulos and members of a town-hall-style meeting in Indianapolis.

Mr. Obama, usually the one to see the humor in politics, instead looked grave and dispirited.

The anchors, on the other hand, did not reverse roles: as usual, Mr. Russert came out ahead in that Sunday talk-show contest. Mrs. Clinton gave ABC a more vivid and dynamic show, but it came at Mr. Stephanopoulos’s expense. Mrs. Clinton seemed to relish the opportunity to undercut him, a former adviser to her husband, with needling jokes and alpha-candidate body blocks.

When Mr. Stephanopoulos asked her about an ABC survey suggesting that 6 of 10 people thought she was dishonest, she was on her feet and he was still seated, and she dismissed the notion while staring down the ABC anchor like a school principal quelling an impertinent eighth grader.

……………
Of course, Mrs. Clinton had the edge right from the start: the first question was about her gas tax holiday, a proposal that her Democratic rival rejects as a gimmick. Mr. Stephanopoulos challenged Mrs. Clinton to name one serious economist in favor of the measure.

“We’ve got to get out of this mindset where somehow elite opinion is always on the side of doing things that really disadvantage the vast majority of Americans,” Mrs. Clinton retorted crisply. Mrs. Clinton did not even flinch when a woman in the audience, an Obama supporter who said she made less than $25,000 a year, argued she, too, thought Mrs. Clinton was “pandering” for short-term political gain.
………………

Mrs. Clinton ignored the sarcasm and rose eagerly to her feet to reply, a power move that put the ABC control room in a quandary: by standing, Mrs. Clinton cut the seated Mr. Stephanopoulos out of the shot. One camera pulled back to try to get the anchor back in the frame, but it was so far away that viewers could barely make out the figures on stage. The camera pulled in on Mrs. Clinton, then moved around to an angle that showed the twosome together, though from behind. Eventually, Mr. Stephanopoulos gave up and stood up next to her, his head several inches below Mrs. Clinton’s.

Mrs. Clinton kept at it. When Mr. Stephanopoulos tried to challenge her on trade policy, she challenged him. “Now, you remember this, because George did work in that ’92 campaign, and George and I actually were against Nafta,” she said sweetly, addressing the audience. “I’m talking about him in his previous life, before he was an objective journalist and didn’t have opinions about such matters.”

When he tried to flummox her by asking whether the campaign would ever release the names of donors who had given money to her husband’s foundation, Mrs. Clinton shut him down with a one word answer: “No.”

Television interviews provide snapshots, not full portraits, but that does not make them any less telling. Mr. Obama revealed that he was not impervious to pressure, while Mrs. Clinton once again proved that it takes more than a village to make her sweat.
………….


The reviews are in:


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Hillary_vs_Stephanopolous.html

Hillary has done her best to keep the moderator on his heels in this ABC broadcast, standing from her armchair early, and not sitting down; Stephanopoulos, initially sitting awkwardly, finally stands up beside her. They're about the same height.



………..

Bill Clinton's Small-Town Success
Self-Described 'Rural Hit Man' Powers Support for Wife's Campaign
By RICK KLEIN and SARAH AMOS

May 5, 2008 —
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=4789473
……………
But after giving another classic 40-minute stemwinder at the town's historic train station, talking up his wife Hillary's candidacy with the verve and humor of a once-in-a-generation political performer, the former president lingered for a moment.
……………

"Here's what I want you to remember: In little towns like this, all over America there are countless people like her. I just want you to think about that," he added. "If you had to hire somebody to make the best possible future for her, who would you hire? You think about that girl."

The crowd of nearly 1,000 -- many dressed in their Sunday best to see the only president of the United States they'd ever seen in person -- loved every moment of it.

Thirteen-year-old McLain Rose got another round of applause. And Clinton dove into the crowd for 30 more minutes of handshakes and photographs, before hitting the road for the next town on his checklist.

…………
But it's this role -- what Clinton has alternately described as the "designated rural hit man" and "ambassador & to small-town America" -- that showcases the former president at his most effective.

Away from the major media markets -- and far from the circus atmosphere that envelops a modern presidential campaign -- Clinton is visiting small towns that seldom see national political candidates, much less presidents. With his unique, energetic style, he's recalling fond memories of his presidency, with the goal of ginning up votes for his wife.

"All the people that aren't for Hillary, who think that, you know, we're a little too connected to folks like you, they have made merciless, unmerciful fun of me about this -- 'Bill Clinton's out there in the country, exiled to the country,'" Clinton said Sunday in Lenoir, N.C. "I grew up in the country. I know where I am, and I wanna be right here."

He's using more than words to make that clear: In typical Clinton fashion, his days typically start around dawn and stretch past 11 p.m. He crams events -- and, often, local meals -- into his days; today, for instance, his public schedule includes nine campaign events in North Carolina, where voters go to the polls Tuesday.

According to tallies maintained by the Clinton campaign, Clinton has become the first U.S. president ever to visit 20 different counties in North Carolina and Indiana alone. That doesn't count places like, Lebanon, Ind., which hadn't seen a president since Abraham Lincoln; in Sanford, N.C., a local official joked of the town's "loooooong dry spell" -- going back to Harry Truman -- between presidential visits.

………..
"I am a big fan of his and he did a lot of good things to help the country, so I personally think that he has helped," said Emily Markey of Winston-Salem, who came to see Clinton speak this weekend. "It is important to go to small towns and make people feel like we are important too."

"He seems to be doing what he does best, which is going out and meeting people," said Marcia McCall, who also saw Clinton speak in Winston-Salem on Sunday. "I think that is the perfect role for him."
………..
"The smaller the media market he is in, the bigger the deal he is," said Steve Elmendorf, a Democratic strategist who is supporting Sen. Hillary Clinton's bid for the White House.

"For her campaign, the balance has always been using him in a way that gets them positive local coverage and grass-roots support, versus getting him in the national media, where you don't want him to overshadow her," Elmendorf said.

Clinton had a 70 percent favorable rating among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, released last month.

The rural outreach has been a critical part of building the senator's voting coalition. White, working-class voters have supported her in most of the big states to hold primaries this year; Obama's failure to win those voters over stands as perhaps her most compelling argument to the superdelegates she'll need to capture the nomination.

As Clinton himself delights in pointing out, his wife racked up huge margins in rural counties in states including Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas; exit polls suggest that he carried the rural and small-town vote by nearly 2-1 in each of those states.

……….
When one man in the audience shouted that he, too, was from Arkansas, the locals started interjecting their observations even as Clinton spoke. He spent 45 minutes after the speech was through making sure that he shook every outstretched hand.
………..
One favorite rhetorical flourish involves mocking Washington pundits. "Hillary has been buried by the pundits more times than a zombie," he said last week in Elkin, N.C.
………….

"I love coming to places that don't normally see presidents, don't normally see presidential campaigns," he said at a recent stop in Boonville, Ind. "The backbone and the heartbeat of America -- places like Boonville. In my home state of Arkansas there's a Booneville, but it's not nearly as big as this. This is a downright metropolis compared to Booneville, Ark. But I'm honored to be here."

……


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080505/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc_15;_ylt=Asq53rQCFLhMvOwuJDAvEDrmWMcF

GREENVILLE, North Carolina (Reuters) …………

Clinton renewed her criticism of Obama for opposing her proposal to lift the federal gasoline tax for the summer, which Obama and many economists have rejected as political pandering. Clinton has used the issue to emphasize her support for workers struggling with record gas prices in a faltering economy.

"Senator Obama doesn't want to do anything," Clinton, a New York senator, told a rally at a community college in Greenville, North Carolina. "You don't hire a president to make speeches. You hire a president to solve problems."





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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:42 PM
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1. She said last night in Indiana: "You know I am not a shrinking violet"
That lady is a fighter, you can't take that away from her....
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:47 PM
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3. that is for sure.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:42 PM
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48. She is definitely a fighter
She will do anything, not matter how unethical, to get what she wants.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:21 AM
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62. GO HILLARY!
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:09 AM
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72. GO HILLARY!
Lie, pander, act like a Republican and hope that Obama gets hit by a meteor! It is the only way you can possible overcome your pledged delegate deficit! :woohoo:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:26 AM
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73. Notice, she couldn't find anything Bush and Rove did for 8yrs to oppose and fight them
the way she stands up to fight other Democrats, eh?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:46 PM
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2. (Pre-click prediction) New York Times?
Only they would compare a town hall meeting to a face to face interview...

:boring:
rocknation
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:49 PM
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6. Uh, the link SAYS www.nyt.... so that's not really a prediction. That's reading ability. NT
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:53 PM
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8. your eagerness to diss. overshadows your abilty to read.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:09 PM
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21. My pre-click predictions are made before I click on the title of the DU thread
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:11 PM by rocknation
not on the story itself. The headline sounded suspiciously like a New York Times article--hence my prediction--and I was right.

:headbang:
rocknation
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:22 PM
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29. It's a thread starter--you can't post without seeing it. But whatever. NT
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:47 PM
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4. Ratings
8 million watched Obama

1.3 million watched Hillary

Who got their message out that day?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:02 PM
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13. how many fell asleep listening to obama. ??
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:07 PM
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I don't know
but even if 50% of them did....3 million more still heard him and didn't hear Hillary.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:57 AM
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79. Nice!!
:rofl:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:08 PM
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20. so now having detail in program proposals is bad and exciting speeches are good?
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:09 PM by Cant trust em
Is this opposite day in Hillaryland?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:23 PM
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31. Obama is learning from Hillary. He is adding more specifics vs his usual vague hope and unity meme.
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:24 PM by rodeodance
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. "that so?"
What does that men?
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 04:57 PM
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57. He gets ansked real questions and you get real answers
His answers are always venue appropriate. For town halls and one-on-ones he answers direct questions. For rallies, hope and change gets people excited and, well, rallied.

I've been annoyed with the media because they always show the rallies when they cover him. They are great MSM entertainment because he is such a great speaker, but they don't really show the complete picture.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:59 AM
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80. LOL
God, you're funny. Very nice!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:48 PM
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5. Well, GS took some pretty harsh swipes in his book, ain't payback something!
She didn't give it to him the way he did to her, though. She just used the venue to its full advantage.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:55 PM
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10. Evidence she has been around the block a few times and knows the imagery to project:-)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:07 PM
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17. I've gotta say, she is doing the whole media availability/interaction thing brilliantly.
I don't know who is giving her guidance in those areas, but it's really incredibly sophisticated and unbelievably effective. She really is maximizing opportunities. But then, she's--by now--well used to the town hall/small venue settings.

It's WAY more work than the Big Stadium Rally type thing (which are cold, disconnected and a bit, er, one-way and worshipful), because instead of doing one a day, you have to do three or five or more, but what those DO do is enable a candidate to really HONE the message. And on top of honing the message, it gives the candidate experience in 'reading a room.' Plus, it gives the candidate, if they're spread out far enough, to appear in more than one local media market, along with the national cables and networks.

She's got all of that DOWN. She really knows how to hit it out of the park. She's like JFK or LBJ at the TOP of their game--she is connecting incredibly well. It's a delight to see.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:19 PM
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27. the small venues are home to Hillary--she trives on the interaction--from
i read and see in many photos. She had a large stadium crowd in El paso texas once (posted here on DU by Bigtree)---but i read later she would not be doing the big shows anymore. no explanation was given.

Yes, it is a delight to see. Photos bring the campaign alive.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:08 PM
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60. She's damn good!
Very damn good.

Bake
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:51 PM
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7. She HAS been impressive. Lively, energized, feisty.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:03 PM
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59. Love it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 02:53 PM
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9. The last picture is an interesting choice. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:00 PM
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11. Its my unity photo. Hillary said she would hard for Obama if that time came. she
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:01 PM by rodeodance
wore it that day when she she said it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:02 PM
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12. That's not a photoshop job?
Sure looks like it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:07 PM
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18. I got it from AP photo gallary (or abc--i forget which one).
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:08 PM
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19. Looks photoshoppy to me too. You got a link?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:10 PM
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22. find it yourself.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:13 PM
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25. Sure, Rodeo. I'll go on that WMD hunt for you ASAP.
:rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:20 PM
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28. You are the one claiming it looks "photoshoppy"--prove it. I see you have time for bully tactics!!
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:22 PM by rodeodance


......Looks photoshoppy to me too. You got a link?......
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:37 PM
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43. Jeez, so it's not a real pic. Don't freak out about it.
Then again, maybe you're right and the Obama campaign is selling mustard colored, smart-looking pantsuits with "Obama Mama" printed on them.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:44 PM
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49. you are one saying it is 'photoshoppy" . NOT me. So prove it sweetie.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:48 PM
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52. Common sense is dead.
:cry:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:50 PM
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54. I am glad you agree--you did not use your common sense with your silly posts upstream
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:55 PM
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56. Skillful redirect!
I'm rubber, you're glue ... c'mon you know the rest!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 05:01 PM
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58. Thanks for the kicks to this thread
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:16 AM
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61. I usually kick the more brainless Hillary threads to put you all on display
It's a little comic relief during the primary season.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:23 AM
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63. You should have stopped at 'I usually kick the more brainless'
because the posts I've seen being kicked most of the time merely support the Obama bimbo eruption of pomp.

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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:46 AM
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71. "Obama bimbo eruption of pomp" !!!
That is nothing less than poetry. That is one of the most awesomely assembled phrases I've ever heard.

:toast:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:23 PM
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32. Who cares if it is? Sheesh, you get upset over the silliest things. NT
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:05 PM
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14. That Last Picture of Her Reminds me of Someone Else
I've seen that gesture before, I'm sure of it. Seems like something is missing though.

Bad mustache, perhaps...
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:06 PM
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15. Needs a red armband...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:30 PM
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37. You are so predictable--You come onto treads to disrupt and dump RW smears
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:31 PM by rodeodance
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #37
51. You're the one that posted the "Zeig Heil" picture, pal....
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #51
55. Only a mind already infected with RW smears would imagine that.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:07 PM
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16. Ahh you stole my joke
:rofl:
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:12 PM
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24. Hmmm....
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:22 PM
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30. Looks perfectly appropriate
to me for an Obama Mama!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:28 PM
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35. Hillary extends an olive branch to Obama fans and you smear her!! SHAME ON YOU.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:34 PM
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41. Love You Too
You're one of my favorite posters. Someday I'm going to come visit you in whatever version of reality it is you live in where any attack on Obama, his family, or any other topic is A-Okay and any attack on Hillary is sexist and shameful. I bet the colors are all reversed, up is down, down is up, driving in a straight line takes you in a circle.

Hillary extends an olive branch to Obama...that's particularly funny considering her endless stream of attacks on him since Iowa, her pandering to the GOP, her love-fest with McCain and her parroting of GOP ideas (Gas Tax Holiday - which I'm sure you support). Exactly the kind of pandering I expect from her. Olive branch in one hand a brick in the one behind her back.

I don't need an olive branch from Hillary. It would probably have thorns and be coated in poison.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:41 PM
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46. Olive branch
would that be the olive branch of the nuclear option, or the olive branch of tax cuts directed at people who waste the most gasoline at the expense of the infrastructure?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:33 PM
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40. It's radioactive
I don't mean because she is wearing an 'Obama mama' t-shirt, although that is fucking surreal at this stage of the campaign. The problem is that RW sites are already photoshopping it to make her look a member of the Nazi party. Unlucky gesture, but still toxic. That photo is going to follow her around for a while.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:38 PM
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44. Yup
I'm seriously not comparing Hillary to a nazi, but damn, politicians should know better than to make that gesture. I've probably done it at times to wave down a taxi or wave hello or goodbye to someone, but I'm not a politician and I don't have to worry about stuff like that.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:38 PM
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45. That other fellow played "populist" and condemned the "elite", too.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:12 PM
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23. Think about the inappropriate nature of the George S. interview...
Stephanopoulos was an advisor to the Clintons during the '90's.

Yet, yesterday he was 'pretending' to be an 'objective' journalist.

If he was really interested in being fair, someone else should have
hosted the interview. Too many mixed messaged, too many past relationships,
too many 'ghosts.'

But then I guess all's fair in love and war.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:26 PM
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34. oh puff!!
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:16 PM
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26. No one was watching ABC...
Obama/Clinton Sunday TV showdown ... In Indianapolis:

ABC THIS WEEK 1.3 rating/4 share

NBC MEET THE PRESS 8.5 rating/21 share
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:33 PM
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39. Yo are LYING.
No one was watching ABC...
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:42 PM
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47. 550% more people were watching Obama
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:44 PM by TragedyandHope
Sunday Morning Battle: The Indy 550%

Based on the available household data for Indianapolis, Meet the Press delivered 91,000 homes (8.5 rating/21 share), up 94% versus the prior week. ABC's This Week delivered 14,000 homes (1.3 rating/4 share), down 26% versus the prior week.

The Russert-Obama hour on NBC affiliate WTHR beat the Stephanopoulos-Clinton hour on ABC affiliate WRTV by +550%.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:45 PM
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50. Thank you for being honest this time
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gabby garcia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:28 PM
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36. “He’s always had a crush on me,” Mrs. Clinton said with a sly smile.
:puke:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:32 PM
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38. Oh that Hillary is one smart Lady!!
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:52 AM
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77. Arrgh! I haven't eaten lunch yet!
OMG! :wow: :puke:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:36 PM
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42. The DLClintons are to politics what Disco is to music.
Shallow, noisy, irritating, and without substance.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:48 PM
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53. Hillary's Charlotte Observer Op-ed; "I'm ready to deliver the solutions"



Hillary Clinton: I'm ready to deliver the solutions nation needs
It has been an honor and privilege to travel across North Carolina and talk to you about the issues that matter most to you and your families. I know how hard you're working, how much you love this country, and how big you dream for your children. But I also know that you're feeling squeezed from every direction -- between the grocery bills and the doctor's bills, the credit card bills and the mortgage payments, and the outrageous cost of gas at the pump.

With two wars abroad and an economic crisis here at home, you know the stakes are high and the challenges great. But you also know the possibilities are endless if we elect a president with the strength and knowledge to tackle our challenges starting on day one. A leader who knows how to create good jobs, turn our economy around, and lift up the middle class. A commander-in-chief who is ready to end the war in Iraq, keep our families safe, and take care of our veterans and service members.

After 35 years of experience fighting for those who've been counted out, after representing America in more than 80 countries around the world and working to unite Democrats and Republicans to solve problems at home and abroad -- I am ready to be that president.

We've got our work cut out for us. And it's not enough to just deliver speeches and make promises. You have to know what it takes -- and have what it takes -- to deliver solutions. That's what my campaign is about -- and that's what my presidency will be about as well.

I'll deliver solutions to create good jobs. Jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, 21st-century manufacturing jobs, jobs in new clean energy industries.

I'll deliver solutions to provide relief from high gas prices and end our dependence on foreign oil. I'm the only candidate who will provide commuters, truckers, business owners and families relief at the pump by making the big oil companies pay the gas tax instead of North Carolinians.

I'll deliver affordable, quality health care for every man, woman and child in America -- no exceptions, no excuses. I'm the only candidate that won't leave anyone out.

I'll deliver solutions for our economy. I'll end $55 billion in special breaks for the corporate special interests and give middle-class families $100 billion in tax cuts to help pay for health care and college and save for retirement. I'll get tough on China for breaking the trade rules -- and I'll only sign trade agreements that are good for our workers and our economy.

Finally, I'll end the war in Iraq and start bringing our troops home as quickly and responsibly as possible. And when our troops come home, we'll serve them with the same devotion that they served us.

Accomplishing all of this won't be easy. But I don't back down from a challenge -- and neither do the American people. It's up to all of us to keep the promise of America for the next generation, and together, that's exactly what we'll do.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:27 AM
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64. Another fascinating op-ed - - - in the Charleston Gazette ..

Illuminating, inspiring: Clinton leadership has stood the test



http://wvgazette.com/Opinion/Op-EdCommentaries/200805040334



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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:29 AM
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65. She's still lost, you know that right?
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:31 AM
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66. Obama has not been able to close the deal. He will not win without being selected by the SDs.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:37 AM
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68. Well that's been happening if you've been paying attention
Picked up 6 yesterday I think.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:47 AM
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69. Major news stations this morning report his lead is shrinking in North Carolina
If he does not win North Carolina with the same numbers he won South Carolina that will speak volumes to most of the yet uncommitted.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:51 AM
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70. BS this isn't Pennsylvania and he isn't HIllary
Obama just has to win and if he keeps it close in IN that's pretty much a win too. The SD's have been trying to give Clinton a chance to bow out gracefully with the slow trickle, but if she's goes on after IN/NC without huge wins then the SD's are going to flood to Obama. You have to know this to be true.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:51 AM
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76. "Obama just has to win" I know you folks are desperate. I can tell be the increase in vile crap
threads posted here on DU smearing Hillary. very RWish smears by Obama supporters.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:33 AM
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67. Nice job, Rodeo!
K&R.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:40 AM
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74. "Clinton Steals" - "Obama Endures"
Finally, we agree.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:45 AM
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75. K&R
Thanks for posting.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 10:52 AM
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78. as time goes on, he looks more sick and tired, she looks better and better!
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