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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:09 PM
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"A GAME-CHANGER would be Hillary Clinton winning BOTH primaries by DOUBLE DIGITS"
just heard on CNN.

That is actually the truth about North Carolina and Indiana, no matter how much people will try to sit'n'spin tomorrow.

Both states by double digits.



Lets remember that, shall we.
Thank you.






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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:11 PM
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1. uh huh
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:53 PM
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17. Your picture says it all. Good luck to her... nt
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:13 PM
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2. I would call that a voting machine hacking
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:14 PM
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4. I agree.
The only way that will happen is if someone hacks those machines.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:13 PM
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3. But she'll still need the Easter Bunny's superdelegate endorsement.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:14 PM
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5. can't change the game after its over today Obama +6 SDs and counting
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:16 PM
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6. and the cable news heads keep trying to make it seem like if she even wins one state by single digit
she's still in this, baby!

I wish I had the talen to put together clips of all these people stating that she needs 60% of the remaining vote to catch up- and they totally disown their statements - which were very accurate, mathematically, in favor of pushing an exteneded primary.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:16 PM
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7. She has to win EVERY contest 70-30 to TIE Obama
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:17 PM by SoonerPride
Anything less, even a "win" is a "loss" because she falls farther behind.

That's why Pennsylvania was really a loss, because she lost more ground and didn't win by enough to make up ground at all.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:38 PM
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14. DING DING DING! SoonerPride, you're our grand prize winner!
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:57 PM by rocknation
...Pennsylvania was really a loss, because she lost more ground and didn't win by enough to make up ground at all.

Hillary's first "magic number" was 60% of the vote. When she failed to get that much on the second super Tuesday, it went up to 65%. When she failed to get that much in PA, it rose to 69%. If she fails to get it tomorrow, it goes up even higher.

The reason why Obama worked PA so hard was not for the win, but to prevent Hillary from getting 65% of the vote. He hit HIS "magic number" of 45%, dropping it to 40%. If he wins NC and gets at least 40% of IN, he can get only 35% of WV and KY (which, in all fairness, is entirely possible) and STILL clinch the pledged delegate lead!

:headbang:
rocknation
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:19 PM
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8. If she wins every primary from here on out by 80%, she's good.
That's what I've read. Will now go try and dig up the link.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:26 PM
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9. please do.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:34 PM
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11. Hillary MUST capture 80% of votes in ALL remaining states to surpass Obama
Hillary MUST capture 80% of votes in ALL remaining states to surpass Obama
By Kathy Miller | The Hillary Project

* Posted 6 days, 20 hours ago email to a friendemail to friend

By: Susan Ferrechio


Examiner - Hillary Clinton may have beaten Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania primary, but it increasingly appears that she can’t beat the political math in the race for pledged delegates.

If current polling data in Indiana and North Carolina hold true for those May 6 contests, Clinton would have to capture 80 percent of the vote in the six subsequent primaries to surpass Obama in the hard delegate count.

Averages posted by the political Web site RealClearPolitics give Obama more than a 15-point advantage in North Carolina and a three-point lead in the Hoosier State. A slightly less rosy outlook for Obama in those two states would require Clinton’s percentage for the rest of May and June to jump to 70 percent.

Even under a worst-case scenario for Obama, such as one in which he were to lose in North Carolina by two percentage points and Indiana by nine points, close to the margin he lost Pennsylvania by, Clinton would barely dent his current lead of 156 pledged delegates.

She could only get ahead of him by garnering 68 percent of the vote in every remaining contest, something she has done once this entire primary season, and that was in her former home state of Arkansas.

“That’s just not realistic, given the demographics of these states,” said veteran Democratic strategist Tad Devine, who is not connected with either candidate.

more...

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/hillary_must_capture_80_of_votes_in_all_remaining_states_to_surpass_obama/
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:37 PM
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13. thank you.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:27 PM
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10. The double digits would have to be 38 (69% of the vote)
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:43 PM by rocknation
That's the margin of victory Hillary will need in ALL NINE of the remaining contests to change the game legitimately.

43-point or more margin of victory = blowout

38 - 42 points = a "real" win

30 - 37 points = good, but not good enough

11 – 29 points = a wash

5 - 10 points = useless

1 - 4 points = concession speech

:headbang:
rocknation
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:38 PM
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15. I agree - I just keep seeing "Hillary will win IN and come close in PA
so Barack will lose" threads, and I thought I would put this little reminder out there, after I heard it again on CNN>
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:36 PM
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12. Actually, Two Wins by 10-20%
still won't make much of a difference.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:50 PM
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16. nope -but less than that and they can't even pretend to be in the game.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 03:59 PM
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18. Does 6 count as double digits?
Edited on Mon May-05-08 03:59 PM by TragedyandHope
I mean, if you round up. Just wondering.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 07:20 PM
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19. only if its 6.2...
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 06:24 PM
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20. Just a reminder.
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