Hillary Tells Another Whopper

[NeedleCast]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080505/ts_afp/usvote

"This is going to be exciting tomorrow, because I started very far behind," New York Senator Clinton said on CNN. "I think we've closed the gap."

I love it! Now Hillary is playing the martyr card? Are you kidding me? Hillary states on CNN that she "started very far behind."

Where am I? Is this still Earth? This statement only makes sense if by behind Hillary means she started with a huge lead and almost every possible advantage. When polling on the 2008 nomination started Hillary carried a huge lead. No one was even close. She held almost every advantage: DLC insider, huge fund-raising mechanism, name recognition - she even poached the state of New York years ago to make sure it would be a lock for her presidential run.

Now she's going to try and tell us that she started very far behind? That's only true if we count the starting point as being late February or early March...not six months ago when everything smelled like roses for Hillary.

It's hard to nail yourself to a cross, but Hillary is sure trying.

[leftofcool]

1. She did start far behind in NC.....30 points

[NeedleCast]

3. I wonder how NC would have polled in

December of 2007...

[speedoo]

5. Hillary was way ahead then.

Like 30 points, I believe.

[onenote]

4. November 2007 -- six months ago: HRC leads NC by 24

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_primary-275.html#polls

She was still leading in December as well.

[leftofcool]

6. But not in Feb and March

[NeedleCast]

8. That's Kinda the Point

It's a lie. Hillary was not "way behind" in North Carolina when polls started coming out. She was actually way ahead.

[onenote]

13. Which result sounds like a better outcome to you:

Turning a 24 point lead into a 25 point deficit and then lose by 5-10.

or

Come from 24 down, build a 25 point lead and win by 5-10.



Seriously, even if you assume that they both blew big leads, how is it better to blow the lead and lose than it is to blow the lead and win?

[NeedleCast]

15. Exactly

This is typical Hillary metrics being played, just like it played in TX where Hillary started with a huge lead and managed to sneak out with a "win" in the popular vote while trying to claim it as some sort of huge, unexpected victory.

[DefenseLawyer]

7. No she FELL behind by 30 points

she didn't START behind by 30 points.

[DMorgan]

24. Exactly TRUE! So she LIED again! n/t

[tekisui]

10. A win is a win.

A la PA.

[tekisui]

28. He never was up 30. Hillary was up until December.

[BlooInBloo]

2. Clinton's just a garden-variety liar. Who wants to obliterate 70 million people.

[goclark]

9. She out Bushed Bush on that one

She makes Cheney look innocent.

[BlooInBloo]

14. She convinced me how tough she is. Too tough to be President. I also don't want for President....

Mike Tyson, Jim Jones, and a host of other Obliterators to be my President. They're just too tough.

But thanks for convincing me how tough you are, Clinton.

[goclark]

18. And don't forget Rocky!

[madrchsod]

26. she`s got big balls according to carville....how does he know?

[knixphan]

11. Kick for 'REVISIONIST HISTORY'

[Lerkfish]

12. As I said when she lied about bosnian sniper fire

that only a habitual, compulsive liar lies about things that don't really matter.

[DemGa]

16. Hillary is a liar = more Obama campaign/right-wing talking points

"In North Carolina, Clinton Closes To Within 5 Of Obama: In a Democratic Primary in North Carolina today, 04/29/08, one week till votes are counted, the 10-point lead that Barack Obama has had for two months is halved, to now 5 points."

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=d4d1bc7e-32d4-438e-8143-75c8b25b3435

[NeedleCast]

21. Yeah Yeah, I know

Any criticism of Hillary is a Right Wing talking point. I get it, okay? You and Rodeodance should start a club or something. You can sit there in your green sky world and pump round after round into Obama while crying for the Whaaaaambulance any time someone goes after Hillary for any reason.

Once again, if you've been paying attention (and as a Hillary supporter and one of the dozen or so true crazies running about, I have to assume you haven't been) you'll understand that Hillary's comment is a bald-faced lie. In September of 2007, Hillary was leading North Carolina by over 20%! So this whole "I'm coming from behind" shtick is just that, bullshit metrics. What really happened, just like what happened in many other states, is that Hillary went from coasting to an easy win six months ago to the 8-ish point loss she's going to suffer tomorrow (in a race that's already over).

After realizing the "that state doesn't matter" tactic wasn't working very well, she's switched to the "I was supposed to lose big and almost won!" tactic, which is no less disingenuous, but will probably sell better.

[DemGa]

31. By the standard applied to Clinton - It's just as easy to prove Obama a liar

And of course it's right-wing. It's often done in the surreptitious "whisper campaign" style. Pure defamation.

But the Obama smear campaign has done a good job of pushing the narrative. Once again, it is character assassination - and it looks as though you support it. Too bad.

Interesting you insult me as one of some "crazies" -- a rationalization for behavior indefensible.

[NeedleCast]

34. Seriously, I know, Okay?

I know, every attack on Hillary is straight out of the Freeper manual.

It's not pure defamation. It's a fact. Hillary was ahead in NC by 24% in December of 2007 and is now trying to sell us that "only" losing by 8% is some sort of victory. If you can sniff that poo an not hold your nose, more power to ya. It has nothing to do with character assassination. I'm not making anything up here. I'm quoting Hillary directly. Hillary said:

"This is going to be exciting tomorrow, because I started very far behind,"

And this is, absolutly, a lie. Hillary did not start very far behind, she started very far ahead. I admit she managed to regain some ground she lost, but that doesn't make it any less of a lie.

You do understand that, when you lie and get called on it, it's not defamation or character assassination, it's someone pointing out the truth. Just like Bosnia, when Hillary lied about landing "under sniper fire" and got called on it.

[DemGa]

37. I don't have the full context

I cannot see the preceding sentences - or the following ones. Now you seem certain of intent - very, very common with many Obama supporters where Clinton's honesty is concerned.

I can just as easily prove this intent with Obama - no problem.

But it is the broadly made accusations of dishonesty (from the Obama campaign/right-wing) that lead to this mind-set of "Clinton is a liar" - and once you see the derivative, the present accusations become clearer for what they really are - malicious slander. Take part if you wish.

[NeedleCast]

40. Why is this Hard to Understand?

If you lie, that makes you a liar. Lie a lot, and you develop a reputation for it.

What context do you need? Hillary lied (again). It doesn't matter what the context was. Hillary said, on CNN, and as quoted in the AP that she came from way behind in North Carolina. This. Is. Not. True. The fact remains that she started with a very large lead in North Carolina, lost it, then managed to make up a little ground at the ass end of the race. What about this do you dispute?

Hillary *IS* a liar. Bosnia sniper thing made us all aware of this. No matter how you spin it, it's a lie. All your doing is rationalizing a lie. I'm not taking part in anything other than being a messenger of the truth.

[Buzz Clik]

17. "It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind." And to move the goal posts.

[Stop Cornyn]

19. Compared to the Tuzla sniper whopper, this is pretty close to the truth for Hillary (only 95% false)

[Cha]

20. Yeah, miss fookin' inevitable..

Where's that quote of your's that says .."this will all be over on SuperTues(Feb 5th)?

hilary thinks Democrats have as short a memory as she does.

hilary is far behind all right..as in out of it.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

22. She was talking about NC, Einstein.

[NeedleCast]

23. I know that, and it's still a lie

In September of 2007, Hillary had a 24% lead in NC. This is not a come from behind, close-call...this is Hillary doing what she did in 20ish states, namely losing what was once an overwhelming advantage. If she loses by what the poll averages are predicting, 8-ish percent tomorrow, then she'll have managed to go from a 24% advantage to an 8% defeat.

[NanceGreggs]

25. And this yesterday about Indiana ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5817304

[NeedleCast]

27. Yup, Exactly

Anyone with a nickle and two brain cells to rub together should be able to sniff out the bullshit.

[TheCowsCameHome]

29. She started her campaign back in1992

give her time to get her message out.

[tekisui]

30. She was up in polling, until December. She was even up double digits.

[cjsmom44]

32. RE: Off the Deep End...

Hillary is now truly gone off the deep end

There is a big splash on Drudge & politico

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_OPEC_can_no_longer_be_a_cartel.html

[knixphan]

33. anyone see my goalposts?

...coulda sworn I left 'em right next to Texas...

[NeedleCast]

35. I Saw Them in Puerto Rico

[DrFunkenstein]

36. Are You Suggesting That Clinton Has Played The Victim Card Before?

Her campaign was riding high until it imploded the first chance they got. After the immigrant driver's license non-event, her campaign has acted like a bunch of Keystone Cops. Cue the zany music.

[Obamanaut]

38. And she said it would be over Feb 5th. nt

[curious one]

39. I am not surprised

She has been lier all along, twisting words. Can't wait for her to go away so we can get to work on Grandpa.