As I look back at all of the sh*t that I've had to endure because of the Clintons

[virtualobserver]

It was never possible for me to enjoy the fact that we had a Democratic President from '92 - '00

So many years spent defending Bill's wayward penis and his willingness to lie directly to both the american people and a grand jury,Hillary's magically reappearing Rose law firm records, travelgate etc.

For the most part, there never was any serious wrongdoing underlying their actions, it was always about lying


So now they change places, except now we have two wars in place (with another on the way, (Kyl-Lieberman...thanks, Hil...) and now we stand on the brink of a possible depression.

The one thing that hasn't changed is the lying and manipulation.....sniper fire....always against NAFTA....brokered peace in Northern Ireland.

Should she elbow her way to the nomination, you can know one thing.....more lies and scandal await us should she survive the Republican onslaught.

[niyad]

1. and Sen. Clinton declared the wars and caused the recession/depression?

you think the blow job was worthy of anybody's attention? you think a repuke doing it would have had any attention paid to it?

seriously, considering the views on the big dawg until recently, one would think there had been a complete personality transplant here on DU.

[virtualobserver]

4. other than voting for the IWR, no....my point is that the experience will be the same...

except in a much darker context.

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. She supported Bush on his most heinous policies, including Iraq, bankruptcy bill....

Bush Jr would not have been able to wrap himself in the cloak of bipartisan support if it wasn't for political traitors and whores like Hillary Clinton.

Her vote to invade Iraq has helped to destroy America, both emotonally and fiscally.

She's done enough, in my book. Let's not give her and Bill another chance to defile the White House with their sins.

[Pisces]

2. How you behaved in the past is a direct correlation on how you will behave in the future: hence

the reason you get a higher interest rate on your home if you have past late pays. Or how you have to put a lot of money down to buy a car if you have had a repo> If he cheated in the past he will cheat in the future. The analogies can go on and on. Bottom line is the Clintons are not what we want back in the White House. We don't need penis distractions there are too many serious issues on the table.

[paulk]

3. yeah, the nineties sure sucked

stupid stupid stupid

[virtualobserver]

5. Clinton destroyed the public image of the Democratic Party during the 90's

and his Penis was an anchor around Al Gore's neck.

[niyad]

6. actually, the media did a fine job of that. they were hounding the clintons from day 1

[virtualobserver]

7. I've come to believe that the reason that they hounded them was because of the lying

They drew the attention to them.

[niyad]

8. you can believe whatever you like, but the media and the repukes had it in for the clintons

even before they got to the white house.

I remember the night of the '92 election--even before the results were announced--there were a number of underaged twits running around with signs demanding that clinton be impeached. had to explain the process to them.

[virtualobserver]

10. bill was lying long before he reached the White House- Gennifer Flowers

I should have known that something was seriously wrong when Bob Kerry called Bill Clinton a "an unusually good liar" in Jan 1996.

I see no difference in Hillary's behavior.

[hell-bent]

74. Hey, you're just a genuine Clinton hater, aren't you?

Get a fucking life, Jack!

[virtualobserver]

87. no, I hate lying.......and especially supporting liars in elections

[tigervalentine]

14. Since the media and the republicans had it in for the clintons in the nineties,

what makes you think that will change with hillary running/in office?

[PoliticalAmazon]

45. It was Bill who started the affair with Lewinsky while he was still being investigated for Paula....

Jones/sexual harassment.

[Seeker30]

66. Assholes like you are the reason I will never vote for Obama

[PoliticalAmazon]

84. Are we to assume you can't defend the Clintons? n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

118. oh good lord

now you guys are capitalizing it? The "Penis"! Fear it! Obey it! Suck it!

[Armstead]

27. The 90's paved the way fopr what we are experiencing now

Their policies set the scene for the financial meltdowns, the loss of jobs and many oethr things we've seen come to fruition under W.

[paulk]

77. I don't agree with you

Blaming the Clinton's for what Bush has wrought is absurd .

Exposure to this sort of nonsense from the left has fundementally changed the way I look at the left wing these last several years.

I can't take the left seriously anymore.

[hfojvt]

113. What is stupid?

I remember some things from the 1990s. I spent most of it working two jobs, trying to get my own business off the ground. 70-80 hour work weeks and no such thing as a paid holiday or paid vacation. I was making $5.40 an hour at a satellite dish factory. A factory opened up in Eau Claire, Wisconsin and the Governor (Tommy Thompson) was bragging about the new jobs and being attacked because the new jobs only paid $6 an hour. Tommy gave a speech where he said "What's wrong with $6 an hour? If you don't want these jobs some other town would be happy to take them."

And in one sense he was right, because the factory had about 3 applicants for every person they hired. Still somebody in the legislature should have proposed cutting the Governor's salary from the $100,000 a year that it was to the $6 an hour that he seemed to think was just peachy. That wouldn't even do it though because most $6 an hour employees don't also get their own mansion and staff and transportation allowance, etc., etc., etc.

Let's just not pretend that there was universal prosperity in the roaring nineties.

[paulk]

121. this is stupid

"So many years spent defending Bill's wayward penis"

RW talking points.

Of course there wasn't universal prosperity, but the Clinton economy was a damn site better than the one preceding it or the one we have now. It was the longest continuous economic expansion in the history of our country. Attacking Clinton for his successes is also "stupid" as a campaign strategy, it's part of what has hurt Obama among lower income/blue collar voters who benefited from those years.

[seaglass]

9. That's pitiful. Unless you are a member of the Clinton family

you didn't have to endure shit.

[virtualobserver]

12. maybe you don't midn having a President that lies.....

if you think that their behavior is fine, it wouldn't be much to endure at all.

[seaglass]

28. Nah, I'm just a much tougher person than you are. n/t

[virtualobserver]

30. deliberately choosing pain isn't toughness

[Auntie Bush]

69. And do honestly think Obama hasn't already lied to the American people standing in front of all

those American flags. What make you think he will change once he's in office? Clinton lied about sex (as the majority of people have done) but Obama told a bold faced lie about his personal beliefs and knowledge about Wright. ..right to the world and in your very own face. Nice!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

11. Two legs good, four legs bad!

Four legs good, two legs bad!
Two legs good, four bad!

[DrFunkenstein]

13. Al Gore, Step Away From The Keyboard

You've already distanced yourself enough. There's no need to keep posting these threads. Stay focused on the global warming issue and let it go.

[virtualobserver]

21. Tipper tells me it's in my blood

[Bake]

15. Yeah, those eight years of peace and prosperity were sure tough!

Thank God THAT nightmare is over with!!

Bake

[boppers]

50. Eight years of Peace?

Were you even around in the 90's?

[virtualobserver]

59. Peace = no bombs fell in the U. S. of A.

[boppers]

64. So, we've had peace since Pearl Harbor, then?

Is that how that works?

[virtualobserver]

65. I meant to imply sarcasm

[Bake]

120. Any major invasions? Any occupations? Shock and awe?

Compared to the last five+ years, yes, PEACE. I **was** around then, were you?

Bake

[depakid]

16. The good, the bad and the ugly

One of the things people need to recall is that for 6 years there was a Republican Congress- that often didn't get their way. Something else to consider was a balanced budget and foreign policy successes around the world- in places like Bosnia, Northern Ireland and nearly between the Palestinians and Israelis.

Unfortunately, Clinton (along with all too many DINO's) passed irresponsible legislation and engaged in some deregulatory failures.

Then there's Monica (which I don't fault Clinton for so much as I do America's puritanical pornographic culture and republicans in Congress).

Seems to me it's useful to put things into a bit more complex perspectives than what's usually posted here....

[virtualobserver]

20. He was far superior to Bush, but the "Bimbo Eruptions" and lying led to Bush's election

and we are paying a huge price for that.

[depakid]

23. I disagree completely

Reality check: even at the height of the Monica scandal, Clinton had very high approval ratings....

[virtualobserver]

33. those were tech bubble approval ratings

people did not respect him as a person

[depakid]

37. No- YOU didn't respect him as a person

others of us couldn't care less about his dalliance with an intern- though we were often plenty pissed off about policy.

Indeed, my friends from abroad used express disbelief about the whole deal- and I used to try to tell them that, outside the South and lower midwest, most people felt more or less like they did- it's just that tabloids in the states were essentially mixed with the corporate media. Unlike their countries, where tabloids are tabloids, and news is news.

[virtualobserver]

39. I didn't care about his dalliance with an intern...

What I didn't like was lying into the camera (to us) and to a grand jury.

What I want to hear from a President when asked about a dalliance is "It's none of your business"

[depakid]

47. That would have been the preferable response

No doubt about it.

[Writer]

17. Wow. Ken Starr was more effective than I ever imagined. n/t

[Seeker30]

68. No shit. The OP must be proud we spent $52 million so he can rant

[NashVegas]

18. Oh You Poor Poor Thing! It's A Wonder You Don't Collapse With the Vapours

:nopity:

[virtualobserver]

19. apparently you enjoy that kind of President, fortunately Barack will win

[rug]

22. Bill's penis was certainly capable of defending himself.

[grantcart]

24. yes but on the other hand think how much fun it will be to follow Bush and get really tough

on Iran. Enough of this pussy footing around lets really get some big hard shit dropping out of the sky.

[virtualobserver]

57. thanks for putting things into perspective

[DemGa]

25. Ah yes, the return of Barack Obama's initial campaign strategy

Hillary is "polarizing" and "divisive" due to the right-wing attacks she endured - and which then quickly shifted into Hillary is "dishonest."

It is clear to see the origins of this narrative - the Obama campaign. Of course, all done in the name of honesty and "New Politics."

[Breeze54]

26. I had a better job... no, I HAD a job with Bill Clinton as Pres.... but

I did have to FIGHT him on homeless HUD housing funding and I DID protest him and

I did fight him tooth and nail on his RW welfare reform crapola! He's an apologist

to the RW! :grr: THAT was ALL RW Agenda and he was drinking the Red Kool-Aid and

enabling Raygun's BS "PISS ON YOU!" agenda; while getting blow jobs in the Oval Office

and embarrassing the WHOLE DEM Party!! :grr: But things were looking so bad in 1992,

anything remotely uplifting, looked good back then. I want better for my country now...

As I did then. :(

[virtualobserver]

62. I'm trying to remain hopeful, but this campaign has discouraged me on some levels

you said it all in your post

[Zodiak]

29. It wasn't the lying about the blowjob

I didn't give a rat's ass about that.

What I did care about was all of the kowtowing to the odious policies of the Republicans. I cared about the many, many young Americans that barely treaded water during those years and then got left behind when the jobs went overseas. I cared about the transformation of our welfare recipients into low-income welfare-to-workers who no longer saw their kids because of long, forced commutes. I cared about the deregulation of so many key sectors of our country...many in direct contradiction to the lessons of the past. I cared about our prisons filling up at a rapid rate as the racist drug war incarcerated an entire generation of brown people. And lastly, I cared about all of the cheap Chinese stuff that suddenly flooded our shores and ran every small business out of every town of America.

That's why I don't get a weepy little tear of joy in my eye when I think of the Clinton presidency. It had nothing to do with spooge and everything to do with the underpinnings of our society starting to unravel during the wild ecstasy of a biomedical and tech bubble that didn't help great sectors of this country at all.

[Breeze54]

31. Great post!

Thanks! ;)

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[virtualobserver]

32. I don't disagree with anything in your post

I just believe that the lying left them permanently on the defensive and justifed the scrutiny and suspicion from the other side.

[Zodiak]

35. Well, you have a point there

I don't think it was justified, but it did serve as a rationale for the right-wing. They act on the thinnest of pretexts.

1998 was a year of complete inertia. A lot of gathering storms were seeded then.

[Beacool]

34. Oh please, get over yourself!!

If Obama was a candidate with a hefty resume and accomplishments (ala Colin Powell), many would have voted for him in a heartbeat!! As it is, we have a divided electorate and party. Are we going to be united in the fall? I seriously doubt it. Don't blame Hillary, he is the one who chose to run before he had actually built his resume and now that the media is finally paying attention he's far ahead of the game.

[virtualobserver]

38. Don't get me wrong, I'll still vote for her if she gets the nomination...

But I won't be happy because I've seen this movie before.

I've been over myself for quite awhile, Thank you. I just don't want to defend stupid behavior from my President.

[Beacool]

41. OK, I buy that.

On the other hand, there are some of us who think that Obama is not fit to be president at this point in time.

[virtualobserver]

44. I don't agree, but I can respect that.

But will you vote for him over McCain?

[Beacool]

48. No, but I doubt that I will vote for Obama either.

:shrug:

[virtualobserver]

53. I'm sorry to hear that......I felt that way for a while myself

Then I looked at the ancient democrats on the supreme court and thought about how bad it could become in this country if the republicans load the court with conservatives.

So, My angry rant aside, even if she wins down and dirty..........Hillary '08

[dogday]

36. I don't see it that way... Bill was a great President and if

Hillary wins, she will be too... If Obama wins, I think he will make a great President...

I will not slam other democrats, especially Bill Clinton who was once revered on this board.. Oh how times have changed.. Some of these post read straight out of FReeperville... The hatred of the Clinton Saga continues from the right.....

[Skittles]

40. ditto

I am sick of so-called DUers sounding like f***ing REPUKES

[Beaverhausen]

42. agree

[virtualobserver]

49. I'll vote for her in the GE, and if she turns out to be a great President, I'll be happy

but this Primary season has been a real eye-opener for me.

[MonkeyFunk]

46. You guys think about Bill's penis

more than I think about my own. It's sick.

[virtualobserver]

54. The Presidential Penis is only a topic of conversation when it is exposed

I think that my first clue that things were changing was during the late 90’s when some republicans in congress insisted that the dimensions and curvature of President Clinton’s penis be entered into the Congressional Record.

....
I guess I can understand entering the dimensions, but the curvature? That would be hard to express without using complex mathematical terms....which would diminish the normally erotic nature of the congressional record.


I am curious about exactly how they obtained the info, I don't remember anything about the curvature in any of clintons campaign literature.

I mean really! ...Wouldn't that kind of detail be better suited for the Presidential portrait....maybe a Presidential pop-up book.

[MonkeyFunk]

82. It was exposed by right=wing operatives

trying to destroy a Democrat. And it was done 10 years ago.

Let it go.

[Ronnie]

51. Wow! Sounds like you're seriously missing a real life.

[virtualobserver]

55. well, lately I've stopped defending the Clintons....so I'm getting out more

[PassingFair]

52. The Clinton's negative ratings FAR outweigh any good will they...

have engendered.

The 'pukes are SALIVATING at the thought
of running against Hillary.

[Lilith Velkor]

56. Yeah, the Republicans would *never* start any shit with Barack as president

This sort of naivete would be cute if lives were not at stake.

[virtualobserver]

58. of course they will, but the Clintons pattern of lying will make it worse

that's all I'm saying.

If Obama can avoid any sexual scandals, that would be good too.

[Lilith Velkor]

72. You don't get it, do you?

They will make shit up.

They will go after him on shit that doesn't matter.

One "misspeak" after being hounded with total nonsense day in/day out and he will forever be branded a liar.

And you will probably fall for it, just like you did with the Clintons.

[virtualobserver]

75. I get it.......I just don't want someone who makes shit up for them..like sniper fire

They will have a field day with that in November if she is the nominee

[Lilith Velkor]

81. "I did not have church with that man"

They'll have the fucking Olympics with that one if it's him.

[virtualobserver]

83. the difference is that Hillary personally invented the sniper fire

Obama isn't Wright, he just knew him.

[Lilith Velkor]

92. And lied about it. n/t

[virtualobserver]

94. offer your proof that he lied......proof of Hillary's lies were on tape

[Lilith Velkor]

98. He called a press conference to lie about it.

[virtualobserver]

100. what you are saying is that you BELIEVE that he lied.

not that you know or have proof that he lied.

[Lilith Velkor]

112. He lied about shit that doesn't matter.

You know, the same kind of shit that makes blowjobs important and budget surpluses irrelevant.

I wonder how a Democrat can go through two terms of Bush and still whine about Bill Clinton. It must take some incredible cranio-rectal gymnastics.

[virtualobserver]

114. You offer no proof that Obama lied.......I wouldn't be concerned about the Clintons now

if they weren't offering a sequel.

[Lilith Velkor]

115. Oh noes - it's another budget surplus!

Will no one stop this dastardly duo before they bring the troops home?

Seriously, dude - pull your head out of the RW media's ass. You'll breathe better, trust me.

[virtualobserver]

116. look, you are obviously happy with Hillary, therefore I'm a deluded fool

but if she wins,,,,,I'll be right there with you

[Lilith Velkor]

117. I just know better than to crap on Mr. Clinton while praising Ronald Fucking Reagan

Wish I could say the same about Senator Obama.

[Blarch]

60. She is a lying liar.

[Breeze54]

79. How dumb ARE you, anyway? SHE didn't have a vote

ON ANYTHING WHEN BILL WAS PRESIDENT!!

And I'm a Kucinich supporter!

Gheesh! Talk about STUPID! :silly:

[ecstatic]

61. "wayward penis." lol nt

[anamnua]

63. Northern Ireland

I *am* Irish and resident in Ireland and can tell you categorically that the Clintons played a pivotal role in the peace process. This is about the zillionth time I have made this point in DU to people who are probably unable to find Ireland on a map. As for the Clinton presidency well what did you not like - the peace or the prosperity ?
Obama on the other hand, his Hubbardesque powers of mind manipulation do not compensate for his lack of a back bone as evidenced by his chickening out of debates with Hill. Rezkogate, Ayersgate, NAFTAgate, plagiarismgate, bittergate, Wrightgate....,the guy has more 'gates' than a builders suppliers.
A few drops of kool aid confers lifelong immunity to rational argument.

[virtualobserver]

67. The question is how pivotal Hillary's role was

listening to your list of "gates", in which the substance of each one is whisper thin, I doubt that I could persuade you on any of them.

[hell-bent]

70. Sounds to me like you have been "brain-washed" by

Faux News and the Reich-Wing radio hacks. Your bogus talking points are right from their playbook. Perhaps you are one of those "Reagan Democrats"?.......Funny thing, Starr couldn't find anything after investigating the Clintons to the tune of 11 million dollars. Oh, the BJ has you disturbed! How shallow of you. Did you enjoy talking about Bill's penis? I recall that period of '92-'00 as being the best time in recent history. And, the fact that Bill Clinton's popularity has remained high according the numerous polls attests to those good times. Well, that was until Obama pulled out the race card.

[virtualobserver]

76. Obama pulled out the race card, huh....you mean campaigning while black?

Hillary loves FoxNews, didn't you get the memo.

It ain't the BJ's it's the lying, so don't call me shallow.

[Hoof Hearted]

71. Yeah, that dammned Family Leave Act, all that goodwill and respect in the world, the solid economy

that shit sucked.

[hell-bent]

73. But the Anointed One would be just a moral beacon

for the world to witness.......:rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

78. I have a pic of Clinton's penis in my archives.

Would you like for me to pm the pic to you?

[virtualobserver]

86. no thank you, since a photograph can steal a soul......

I would prefer to retain the illusion that Clinton's penis still retains its soul.

[Jersey Devil]

80. Every time I see this string I think of Paul Simon

When I think back
On all the crap I learned in high school
It's a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of edu---cation
Hasn't hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall

Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away

If you took all the girls I knew
When I was single
And brought them all together for one night
I know they'd never match
my sweet imagination
everything looks WORSE in black and white

Kodachrome
They give us those nice bright colors
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world's a sunny day, Oh yeah
I got a Nikon camera
I love to take a photograph
So mama don't take my Kodachrome away

Mama don't take my Kodachrome away
Mama don't take my Kodachrome away
Mama don't take my Kodachrome away

Mama don't take my Kodachrome
Mama don't take my Kodachrome
Mama don't take my Kodachrome away

Mama don't take my Kodachrome
Leave your boy so far from home
Mama don't take my Kodachrome away
Mama don't take my Kodachrome

Mama don't take my Kodachrome away

[virtualobserver]

96. I didn't catch that right away........maybe it influenced my phrasing

[Neshanic]

85. You are a fucking moron.

[virtualobserver]

89. I wouldn't want to be any other kind of moron......

By the way, were you on the debating team in college? What a brilliant rebuttal of my post.

[graycem]

88. It's always the cover up that gets you... n/t

[virtualobserver]

91. that's what my Uncle Dick always used to say

[graycem]

99. lol.. I'm REALLY not

going to ask for details. :P

[virtualobserver]

101. I wouldn't want to activate your imagination......Uncle Dick Nixon, the king of cover-ups

[Neshanic]

90. How's this not a group flamefest? Answer that one.

[virtualobserver]

93. One way that it isn't a group flamefest........

is that I am expressing my true feelings as someone who endlessly supported and defended the Clintons for years.

I have earned the right to criticize them when they betray my values. This election has helped me to see them more clearly.
For years I defended them almost reflexively.

[Neshanic]

95. OK not a flamefest, a crass opprtunistic pile on to two people that do not deserve it.

nor ungratefull people like you.

[virtualobserver]

97. I'm not grateful to Bill for the damage that he did to the image of the Democratic Party

and I don't appreciate the kind of campaign that Hillary is running now.

[Neshanic]

102. Poor you and the young Obamists, suffering through an era of peace and prosperity.

How did you EVER survive?

Why did you not open your yap then, say 1997?

[virtualobserver]

104. is having a liar for a leader the price that I have to pay.......

.....someone who publicly humiliates his family?
That is not the only option.

We can do better.

[Neshanic]

106. And who do you propose? Him? A Chicago political creature?

[virtualobserver]

109. yes........I like his perspective.....I don't agree with him on every point

I would have been completely comfortable with Edwards as well.

[Maddy McCall]

103. Poor, poor you.

:cry: :nopity: :cry:

[virtualobserver]

105. Don't be sad for me.....I'm better now.

[Neshanic]

107. Listening to Obama read the Bible really is a good tape.

[virtualobserver]

111. what?

[McCamy Taylor]

108. You forgot your sarcasm emoticon. No one could equate dying, poverty, loss of civil liberties,

destruction of the environment with the mild annoyance of having to turn the channel when media whores wanted to talk about Clinton's penis instead of real news.

Could they?

[virtualobserver]

110. I wasn't making that comparison.........I just want someone that I can agree with philosophically

Hillary gets my vote over any Republican

[Downtown Hound]

119. So true

It's always been a source of sorrow for me the the only Democratic president that I can remember in my lifetime was Bill Clinton. I was a little child when Carter was president. Clinton had the chance to be one of the truly great presidents of all time. He took over an America that was ready for change. The Cold War was over. We were loved and respected around the world. We had the internet and all kinds of new gadgets that the whole world wanted. We had the chance to truly change the world. Everyone wanted what we had, and there was nothing we couldn't do.

But Clinton settled for multiple blow jobs, gave up on universal health care, passed NAFTA, let the former Soviet Union fall into the hands of the mob, and let our economy further be defined as a few rich and many poor. Bill Clinton is at the same time, the greatest president I have ever seen in my lifetime, and the biggest disappointment. And his wife, she simply disgusts me now.