Let me see if I got this right....

[verges]

Senator Clinton's supporters feel that she shouldn't drop out until after ALL the primaries, so that everyone's vote will count and no one is disenfranchised. Yet, these same supporters feel that the Super-Delegates should overturn the pledged delegate vote and the popular votes that Senator Clinton cannot possibly win.

Can that really be right?

[NightWatcher]

1. ding ding ding, kinda funny aint it

[Pharaoh]

2. Yes it is kinda Insane Eh?

:freak:

[jefferson_dem]

3. Funny, huh.

And the Super-Duper Delegates will leverage their undemocratic power to make sure we stay true to the values of the Democratic Party by selecting the one who received less support from rank-in-file voters and caucusers.

Walking, talking contradictions.

[newmajority]

4. It's Hillogical

On Planet Hillary, the needs of the Clintons outweigh the needs of the country.

The Democratic party cannot live long and prosper, if this outcome is allowed.

[berni_mccoy]

15. ooooo, I like that word.

[BlooInBloo]

5. One more for the Obliteration list, I see.

[DJ13]

6. You got it

And, they dont want any mass SD endorsements until after the last primary even though it was acceptable to have 160 super delegates endorse Clinton before a single caucus or primary was held.

[City Lights]

7. Impressive contortionists, eh?

:crazy:

[4themind]

8. Give this man the prize

-a nuke from HRC...:nuke:

[Donna Zen]

9. And don't forget...caucus don't count

When my state's Democratic Committee voted to have a caucus we were under the impression that it was delegates that counted. If someone had bothered to tell us that it was the popular vote that would be counted, then we could have voted in a primary. Now we have lost our chance to be counted. Too bad for Maine. The sad irony of this is that my state would have picked up the bill for a primary, but instead, the Maine Democratic Party had to waste our scarce funds to cover the caucus tab. The caucus has always proven to be good for party building, but hey, the Clintons have never liked that 50 state voter strategy.

Popular vote...popular vote...popular vote!

I hope someone tells us the rules the next time. I kinda want my vote to count.

[apocalypsehow]

10. Something to behold, ain't it? Anything that derails the coronation doesn't count. n/t.

[Blarch]

11. She is getting the dumb fuck vote.

her supporters are really stupid.

What else can it be ? ...the writing is on the wall.

[Bucky]

13. Not all of them. As a proud Dumbfuck-American I proudly show my pride. Yet I voted Obama.

Dumbfucks are significant voting bloc. I advise you not to alienate my people from future President Obama.

[habitual]

21. :) thanx for the smile

i needed that. a genuinely funny response!

[Fly by night]

28. How's the weather in Dumbfuckistan these days?

[Mags]

36. I resent that,coming from a susposedly Democrat. Maybe

he is getting the scum racist vote. Who knows.

[JVS]

42. LIV is the preferred euphemism

[rateyes]

12. That's right. nt

[FARAFIELD]

14. Well if she can get 70% of the vote starting tomorrow and just SPLIT the SUPERS

SHe wont have to worry about all her math problems.

[verges]

22. D'you think that's likely?

Or even possible? I believe the only state she's carried by that much is Arkansas. (I may be wrong, and I'm sure someone will let me know if I am)

[swishyfeet]

16. You really gotta start with a carrot with these posts

I DO want to hear what they say, but they shy away from these threads when it's obvious they've got to defend some hypocracy. Gotta lead em in gently...

[Kber]

17. Well Jeez - when you put it THAT way.

:)

Wonderful point!

[terrell9584]

18. The problem with your argument

Is that Clinton actually does have a shot of winning the popular vote. If she didn't think she did, she wouldn't still be in this

[verges]

41. But,

the problem with your thinking, is that it's delegates that matter. And what do you suppose is the likelihood of Sen Clinton jumping into the lead of the popular vote? My feeling is that it's slim to none.

[sfam]

19. The goal is to win. The rationale as to why is obviously secondary...

Reasons don't have to have coherency, they just have to support Hillary ultimately winning.

[BootinUp]

20. superdelegate votes are just as legitimate as little caucuses

with a room full of activists. Your post is just another attempt to change the rules for your candidate.

[verges]

24. I'm sorry.

Perhaps I'm a bit dense. I don't follow you at all.

[JimGinPA]

25. You Aren't The Dense One

Obviously. Great OP by the way.

[BootinUp]

27. Feel free to keep up with the conversation

as it progresses.

[JimGinPA]

31. The Conversation Is Nearly Over - Too Bad You're On The Losing End Of It

Scoreboard.

[BootinUp]

35. I'm sorry if its over your head. nt

[JimGinPA]

39. You Give Yourself Far Too Much Credit,,,

As if anything you say has any validation.

[BootinUp]

43. Maybe you'll lend me some of your credit, since you obviously

have more. /sarcasm

[verges]

32. And I notice

you haven't clarified you're statement. I'm still baffled.

[verges]

30. Thanx.

This is my first OP, and I'm pleased and surprised it made it to the greatest page! (Is it silly that I think that's kinda neat?)

[BootinUp]

26. What do you think the difference is between a pledged delegate

and a superdelegate?

[verges]

29. I'm pretty sure I understand.

Pledged delegates are the results of the primaries and caucuses. Super-Delegates are Democratic VIPs (Congressfolk, ex-Presidents and others of that ilk.) A SD vote counts just as much as a PD.

So, if the SD should vote against the PD's; what was the point of the last four months?

[BootinUp]

34. An SD doesn't vote against the PD's

they vote based on their preference and all the factors you might consider before voting, sure they also consider who is the front runner, but this is a very close race. Their votes should be based on more than just a slim PD lead.

[verges]

45. If they are overturning

the PD's, they are voting against them. And Sen Obama's lead isn't that small; or else Sen Clinton could feasibly move into the lead tomorrow (which she cannot.) The first point is semantics. The second a matter of opinion.

[BootinUp]

47. Semantics or political maneuvering

the SD's are the ones to decide how they will vote and why. They don't take orders from Pelosi or PD's.

As to how small the lead is, we would not be arguing about this and the race would already be over if it was not a small lead.

[verges]

Well, we are talking politics here, aren't we.

And most of the SD's are answerable to their constituencies. I suspect that a SD that ignores what his folks want might have some problems come re-election. And as to the fact that we wouldn't be having this discussion if it weren't a close race; it isn't, and we are. You see, it is a matter of opinion.

[Gore1FL]

59. Don;t look now....

...but it was over after Wisconsin.

This is like playing the rest of a nine inning baseball game where one team had scored 23 in the third inning, and the other is being shut out.

[verges]

60. That would actually make more sense. n/t

[SoCalDem]

44. Boy, Howdy... you memorized the spin so well.. here... have a

[BootinUp]

48. gee thanks, your counter attack

is only worth a half a star imho.

[SoCalDem]

50. a response is an attack??? Now I know you are REEEEEEALLY a Hillary person

:rofl:

you funny:rofl:

[BootinUp]

51. You are trying to chase me away with childish behavior? Correct?

it might work.

[SoCalDem]

52. No one is "chasing" anyone... least of all, you

:) I've been here since Jun '01...I've seen people come and go.. No difference to me :)

Go?
Stay?

Entirely your call :)

[sudopod]

57. OH HEAVENS

Not activists! They might break out into a protest and start hating America right in front of me!

[habitual]

23. and don't forget

as far as i know, she was ready, willing and wanting to end the primary season after super tuesday. So much for wanting all the votes to count.

now, of course, it is a matter of saving our very democracy...... ugh

[boppers]

33. Look, if the goal posts stayed in one place..

That's unfair, because the will of the people to move them will be antiunderdisenfranchised!

[unblock]

37. very scalian! everyone has an equal right to be disenfranchised!

[SoCalDem]

38. and when Bill Clinton was named the candidate in '92 and '96, NONE of the votes

cast for him, after he was the last man standing counted either..:eyes:....

and all the votes that McCain is still getting in primaries..well. they don't count either..

One would think that she believes that once a party has a candidate, all future primaries get magically cancelled :silly:

[annie1]

40. she's 1/2 million down in the pop vote, and 5 million more people have yet to vote.

[SoCalDem]

46. and POPULAR VOTES DO NOT COUNT IN PRIMARIES/CAUCUSES

ONLY DELEGATES "COUNT"...

[annie1]

53. count the people than caucused then.

[Cha]

49. And, an extra added tidbit..

[stillcool]

54. A funny thing happened...

on the way to the nomination...

Indiana

Pennylvania

Texas

New Mexico

[davidpdx]

55. Owch

It will be over by February 5th? Someone ****ed up those calculations.

[hermitcrab]

56. Makes perfect sense

Clinton should stay in (if she wants) thru the last primaries to gather as many pledged delegates (and popular votes) as possible, to make the case to the SD's that she has the best chance in the GE. If the number of PD's wasn't so close, the SD's would not be a factor at all, and it would be over. Sure, weird Democratic rules allow the SD's to decide a close primary race, just like weird rules allow a state to award more PD's to a candidate even though the other candidate won the popular vote. It cuts both ways, doesn't it?

[verges]

58. But it's not that close.

She needs to win all the rest of the primaries (including tomorrow's) by 75%. I believe she has only won one state by near that much. Arkansas at 70%. It's not going to happen.

[Arugula Latte]

61. Do not question the Great and Powerful Hillary!

... or else she might cry.

[Texas Hill Country]

62. SD's are delegates too.

[verges]

63. So,

are you saying that back room politics is the way we should choose our nominee for the highest office in the land?