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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:29 PM
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***HILLARY LOSING GRIP ON SUPERDELEGATES IN CALIFORNIA***
CHECK.IT.OUT.

Hillary is losing her grip on the superdelegates in California. No shit.

I have an activist colleague in Sacramento who said a week ago or so that talk around town was that the SDs who had previously committed to Hillary were wavering, and were looking for a good excuse to jump to Obama.

The LATimes confirms it today.



http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-supers5-2008may05,0,5297152.story

From the Los Angeles Times

California superdelegates' wavering bodes ill for Hillary Clinton
Some who have supported her say they'll switch to Barack Obama if she doesn't make big gains in the remaining Democratic primaries.

By Scott Martelle
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

May 5, 2008

FRESNO — Hillary Rodham Clinton, stung last week by the defection of a prominent superdelegate, could lose the backing of more of these Democratic Party leaders and elected officials if she fails to make significant gains in the remaining month of presidential nominating contests, several California superdelegates said this weekend.

Two of the five superdelegates aligned with Clinton who spoke at the annual California Democratic Convention here said they would reconsider their support if rival Barack Obama maintained his lead in elected delegates and the popular vote after the last contests on June 3.

While hardly reflecting a groundswell, the superdelegates' comments underscored the concerns among some of these officials about the drawn-out Democratic race. It follows the embarrassing defection Clinton's campaign suffered Thursday when former Democratic National Committee Chairman Joe Andrew switched his support from her to Obama, and warned that the negative tone of the campaign was becoming a "catastrophe" that would help Republicans.

Christopher Stampolis of Santa Clara, a superdelegate who endorsed Clinton after the Iowa caucuses, said that he remained in the New York senator's camp but that his commitment expired with the end of the primaries.

"When it's done, all of us, whether we're committed or not, we're going to take a look" at the final eight contests, said Stampolis, who until recently worked in external relations for a Bay Area environmental firm. "Our job is to represent the constituents who trusted us to win the White House."

Garry Shay, a Los Angeles attorney, said that if Clinton remained about 150 pledged delegates behind Obama, the current estimated margin, he would have to "reassess the entirety of the situation."

"It doesn't mandate me switching," he said, "but it does mandate me reconsidering."

Stampolis and Shay were among the superdelegates on the keynote panel for the annual gathering of leaders of California's Democratic clubs, which focus on grass-roots organizing.

The superdelegates said they were being lobbied by supporters of Clinton and Obama. "I must have 100 letters from Clinton people asking me to stay with her, and about 10 Obama ones telling me I have to change immediately," said Alice Huffman, president of the California State Conference of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People.

But Huffman said she intended to remain firmly behind Clinton. "I could change my mind, but I wouldn't change my mind until Hillary changes her mind," Huffman said. "When I get in with someone, I stay till the end."

Neither of the Obama superdelegates at the convention -- Mary Ellen Early, an information systems specialist from Sherman Oaks, and Alicia Wang, an ESL instructor from San Francisco -- said they would consider switching sides unless Obama specifically released them.

Steven Ybarra, a Sacramento lawyer, and Robert Rankin, a retired Carson steelworker, were the only two uncommitted superdelegates at Saturday's gathering.

Rankin said he would stay uncommitted until the last Democratic vote was counted.

"Eight states are left, millions of voters -- I really believe that their voices need to be heard," he said.

Ybarra, though, said he might remain uncommitted through the convention and not vote for either candidate. Chairman of the voting rights committee of the national Democratic Party's Hispanic Caucus, he is angry that neither the party nor the two candidates have put together plans and a budget for recruiting and retaining Latino voters -- particularly Mexican Americans.

Ybarra said he believed the Democrats would have won the last two presidential elections if the party and the candidates had made similar outreach efforts to Latinos as they did to African Americans.

"I'm not about to take California, as a delegate, into another voting cycle without a commitment by the DNC, and by the candidate, about what they are going to do about the Mexican American voter across the United States," Ybarra said. "Otherwise, we're going to lose."


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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:31 PM
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1. slightly misleading headline
It would be more accurate to say that she could lose her grip on them.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:36 PM
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2. If you read the cues, it's more than a "could"....
The SDs who spoke out did so, giving their names, at a very important State Dem event. There would be no reason for them to do so unless they were already on the move. Why incur the wrath of Hillary for a "could"?

In addition, my colleague in Sacramento told me days ago that the SDs were wavering and looking for excuses.

The next few days should be VERY interesting here in California.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:47 AM
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12. this is old news... SDs will move to the stronger candidate at the end... its a bullshit article.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:11 AM
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15. They aren't waiting until "the end." They are looking for an out NOW....
It's no secret that Hillary and her thugs are looking for an angle to get the SDs to overturn a popular vote, which Obama will most certainly get.

My bet is that SDs are looking to switch ahead of time to help undercut that typical Hillary dirty back-deal mechanizations.
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:40 PM
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3. Chuck Todd mentioned this tonight also.. "what are they waiting for?"
According to Todd they are waiting for Obama to bump ahead before making the move, otherwise they would've already went for Hillary since she took the state. He also mentioned that her campaign must be aware of it and worried.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:46 PM
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6. They are looking for a good excuse so Hillary won't obliterate them later. n/t
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datopbanana Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:45 PM
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4. and REALITY
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:46 PM
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5. Misleading, as usual.
Everyone knows that she has to beat him in the majority of states left to hold on to superdelegates.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:57 PM
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19. Since him winning the pledged delegate lead
Edited on Tue May-06-08 12:58 PM by dbmk
.. and the most states has been a given for a few months now, I guess you acknowledged an Obama victory then?

Clintons plan has all along been for the supers to switch or point to her. If it was a given that she would lose them on the pledged delegate lead and states won alone, that plan was dead on arrival.
So she most have been counting on them sticking to her while the rest were rounded up - regardless of the score on pledged delegates.

Otherwise, what has it all been for?

In that light it is not misleading to say she is loosing her grip on them, when they publicly state that they might switch on the metrics stated.

It doesn't say she has _lost_ her grip. But it sure has loosened.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:48 PM
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7. Leave it to California to shake things up!
:woohoo:



:thumbsup:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:57 PM
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8. This seems like a natural progression..
Most Democratics want to win not go under with hilary..

..and this doesn't sound like Obama representatives, does it?...

The superdelegates said they were being lobbied by supporters of Clinton and Obama. "I must have 100 letters from Clinton people asking me to stay with her, and about 10 Obama ones telling me I have to change immediately," said Alice Huffman, president of the California State Conference of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People.

Obama's people are diplomatic not .."you have to do this"..yeah right.

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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:15 AM
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17. Most politicians don't want to go under with Hillary....
...I'm sure I'm not the only one who believes we need to ostracize, shun, make political pariahs of the Dem politicians who have supported Hillary's Rove/Bush pig-slop politics.

We have a chance to turn our party back in the right direction. We simply cannot make the mistake the GOP is making: never taking a stand against Bush/Rove politics.

That kind of approach is what I would expect from the Republicans. Certainly not the Democrats.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:37 AM
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9. Yes we have been hearing this from other areas for some time.
Clinton was counting on the supers overturning the pledged. And that will not happen because the party is smarter than that. The supers know that if they give the nomination to Clinton without her leading in pledged delegates there will be chaos that the party will not likely get over before election day.

The only sad thing is we are likely going to have to wait until June 4-5 to have the supers switch. Tho I had stated numerous times that we have to be prepared to go all the way to June for this to conclude.

Take heart! Obama is going to win this! We just need to give every last ounce of effort between May 7 and June 2!

Are you ready?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:46 AM
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11. Fired Up and just donated, I live in CA and it is still May 5th
here. Does that count?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:50 AM
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13. Thank you!
I don't know that counts but alteast for me the counter broke so I cant tell if he passed the mark already.

My gut says yes because that counter has always had problems that they had to fix. Froze for days once.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:12 AM
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16. I'm ready. I have weeks of comp time built up which I'll use for boots-on-the-ground...
...efforts in the GE.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:38 AM
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10. You losing grip on reality.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:08 AM
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14. Nope. It's real. I didn't post about it until I had confirmation....
...My colleague in Sacramento is a well-known (gay rights, anti-nutball religious right) activist in Sacto. He had a day named in his honor. But still, one report isn't enough, IMO, to go public with it.

The LATimes article was the confirmation I needed. Not that I didn't trust his word, but I just wanted to have one major print publication to back it up.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 09:23 AM
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18. Tell Them Clinton Plans to Use the Nuclear Option To Cheat Her Way To a Win.
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