So Sam Nunn is being seriously considere for Obama's VP

[OHdem10]

Very Interesting.

The Boren Nunn group Projects of Reform/

Over the months they have made interesting comments at Charlie Rose.

Tonight on C Rose, Nunn was mentioned potential VP.

Ticket rings a bell. Very serious minded VP and younger President.

[PoliticalAmazon]

1. Really? Where did you hear that? n/t

[OHdem10]

5. PBS. Charlie Rose. Show

Chuck Todd was guest.

At some time the program will be posted and you can watch it at
CharlieRose.com

The first part of the program the Yahoo thing. Next part will be
C. Todd. At the very end of the show they discuss this.

If you are interested, check out archives Sam Nunn Bill Cohen
David Boren.
Very Interesing agenda.
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[PoliticalAmazon]

7. Thanks!

[OHdem10]

9. When the Party speaks they get what they want.

Obama needs the strength of Nunn to have a prayer.

This does not meake me happy. Frankly, it will be a 2ond Republican
Party/

[gateley]

15. There have been a lot of names bandied about for VP -

then they slide off the radar. It's pretty much conjecture at this point.

I hope Nunn isn't seriously being considered

[MadBadger]

2. I think Obama will offer it to Richardson, though I hope he does to Webb

[Boz]

4. Richardson is the most stable ticket,, Webb is awsome but self admitted a little too volatile

He also wants to continue the fight on the floor, to give strong law to the new Democratic president.

[woolldog]

31. Richardson is a bumbler

and uninspirational. He'll be a drag on the ticket.

[Frank Booth]

43. I agree. I don't think he helps Obama. If Obama wants older and experienced,

he should choose Biden.

Richardson's a nice guy, but he just doesn't have the personality for a presidential campaign.

[Boz]

48. And biden does, Im confused. I simply disagree

You say Richardson doesnt have the personality, but Biden does?

Richardsons positives all balance Obamas negatives and vice versa.

So it is my personal opinion that it is a balanced ticket.

[Frank Booth]

50. No, my post was unclear. I like Richardson's personality.

I just don't think it's the right personality to run for president.

Biden is older and has a ton of experience, which should help Obama. Plus Biden's kind of ornery, which would be a good balance for Obama.

[woolldog]

51. The media would obsess over the racial angle of that ticket nonstop

until November, asking whether a black-brown ticket could win white votes. I think that would kill that ticket's chances unfortunately.

I don't think Richardson is the right guy anyway, regardless.

[SoCalDem]

65. I like him, but I agree..n/t

[book_worm]

3. He would be an interesting choice--a boring choice, but lots of credentials

besides Obama has enough charisma for both of them.

[grasswire]

6. nuts

Why wouldn't the Democratic Party want to have a VP who could be groomed for 2016, for Gawd's sake, if Obama is nominated and elected? Putting a dead-ender in the VP slot is very short-sighted.

[PoliticalAmazon]

8. Good point. Might I politely suggest that Edwards would be perfect? n/t

[tritsofme]

17. Edwards would be the worst possible choice.

He would be engaging in his fourth campaign in as many years, with his fourth message and fourth platform.

Think people called him a phony after this primary season, just wait!

Not to mention he would be laughed out of the room as the Dem's perennial VP candidate, and he has the same experience problems as Obama, and as we saw in 2004, doesn't really bring anything to the table.

[ruggerson]

18. No, Sam Nunn would be the worst possible choice

It's equivalent to putting a racist on the ticket.

[PoliticalAmazon]

21. Have to admit, Sam Nunn as VP excites me about as much as cold boiled mackerel. n/t

[woolldog]

37. Nunn is the best choice.

He increases Obama's electability.

[SparkyMac]

66. Sam was a Big Shot Senate Chairman in 1994.

When the Republicans won that year, Sammy got mad and picked up his marbles and went home. In essence he said "screw the people of Georgia. If I can't be chief, I ain't gonna play".

Do we need another "fair weather friend and summer time soldier "?

[livingmadness]

55. I like Edwards

but Obama already has considerable appeal to his dem (though of course, not all) therefore it would be a pointless addition, despite how good Edwards is on his own. It'll be more likely to be someone who will appeal to those Obama will struggle with so look for a 'war hero' type to counter McCain, or a woman. Thats my prediction, though not necessarily my desire.

[grasswire]

32. what's the matter with Brian Schweitzer?

[newmajority]

75. Few people outside of Montana have ever heard of him?

Montana's not much of an electoral pickup. And if we did steal their governor, could they get another good one? Montana seems to be coming around in recent years, but it hasn't historically been the most progressive state.

[OmahaBlueDog]

10. I think Webb and Kaine, for different reasons, are Obama's best picks

Webb provides unassailable anti-war credentials; it's hard to argue an ex Reagan Sec-Navy is just some lefty peacenik who hates America.

Kaine, although Catholic, would draw some evangelicals (who are not enamored with McSame) to at least consider Obama -- or reinforce their instinct to stay home.

Richardson could be a good pick, but he brings no defense credentials and will reinforce the "too far left" label.

Nunn is a has-been. He'd have been a great choice in '88 or '92, but he's been out of the game a very long time. If you are going down that road, go get Bob Graham -- at least we'd have a shot in Florida.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. I think Webb is much too junior in the Senate

to be a runningmate.

And Obama/Kaine? Sounds like an anasthetic.

[Boz]

23. Webb wants to fight to make law for the new Democratic President

[OmahaBlueDog]

25. ObamaKaine -- numbing that pain the GOP has caused for years!

LOL

Normally, I'd agree with you on Webb, but I think the prior cabinet experience (with the wrong party -- granted) helps offset the Senate experience.

[coyotespaw]

52. ObamaKaine...

Apply directly to the forehead...

[AspenRose]

76. Sometimes you infuriate me....sometimes you crack me up

:spray:

you are interesting all the time, though :hi:

[gmudem]

34. Not to mention Virginia's 13 electoral votes

That are already in play with an Obama candidacy and if he had a Virginian as VP, his chances would go up even more. Also Mark Warner will probably win his Senate race in a landslide so this looks like a great year to turn Virginia blue.

[arewenotdemo]

49. I'd choose Mark Warner, meself.

Turn the Commonwealth deep blue!

[ruggerson]

11. Sam Nunn waged war on Bill Clinton for attempting to let gays serve openly in the military

Gay people have raised a shitload of money for Barack Obama.

In CA, Jeremy Bernard and his partner are Obama's biggest fundraisers.

If you think he's going to pay them back by putting Sam Nunn on the ticket, you're out of your ever loving mind.

Nunn is not acceptable. He's a non starter.

[Hippo_Tron]

30. Yup, one of the many reasons Sam Nunn is a stupid choice

[tritsofme]

12. That would be a ticket this Clinton supporter likes.

It brings much needed experience and balance to the ticket.

[John Q. Citizen]

13. I don't much like Charlie Rose. i watch it occasionally, but I think he's a neo-con at heart.

He always kind fawns all over the right winger corporate types, and never really asks good follow up questions. He will ask a first good question and then just let it go without out challenging them when they BS him.

I caught a little bit of George Shultz on his show recently, and Rose almost wet his pants over his book. And he alos pointed out what a great guy Shultz is, because after all, Kissinger said so. Henry can't even travel to Europe because he's wanted for war crimes for bombing civilians in Laos and Cambodia.

Charlie forgot to mention that.

So I don't know. Nunn doesn't sound like change or a new direction. I'm hoping Obama has someone great in mind that nobody else has even thought of.

[QC]

14. Nunn is a DINO homophobe. No thanks. n/t

[OHdem10]

16. It was MSNBCs and NBC's Chuck Todd who explained this.

[Neshanic]

19. I only suggested it about five months ago and was summarily told to fuck off.

[woolldog]

22. Nunn is the best choice.

And the only logical one. Southern white male with military/foreign policy credentials. From a red state that might flip with his help. Conservative dem to counter the widespread perception that Obama is a liberal.

He's the perfect choice. Only way he could be better is if, on top of all that, he were serving as governor right now.

[RainDog]

29. why not Wesley Clark, instead?

he seems more relevant - plus the military bg - he's southern, he's DLC - I mean, I don't get why Nunn would be a good choice.

personally I like Richardson more, but I really have no idea who Obama will choose.

[woolldog]

36. For one thing Clark has bashed Obama on the commander-in-chief

thing. That eliminates him right away.

2. He doesn't have the high political profile (and credibility) that Nunn has. Nunn has instant conservative democratic credentials. Clark isn't that well known in the broader electorate.

Some people are uncomfortable with Nunn's stance on gays etc. I don't care much about that. The VP isn't going to be setting policy on those issues. The VP candidate has one job: to help the nominee get elected.

[OzarkDem]

39. Clark supports Hillary n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

63. So?

I really don't think that excludes him from consideration.

But, despite what so many here think, if Obama gets the nomination, I think Clinton has a better chance of being his runningmate than anybody else.

[goclark]

41. Clark is so loyal to Clinton but he would be excellent

[MidwestTransplant]

47. As a former big Clark backer, he is a sucky politician.

[goclark]

53. What does that mean?

[MidwestTransplant]

73. It means I don't think he connects well with people. Just my own opinion and impression.

Probably more suited for a VP then a POTUS in any event.

[MrSlayer]

54. Yes, too much truth, too thoughtful, too many words.

Talking to people as if they were adults, explaining problems and solutions in detail. All these things do tend to hurt someone running for any elected office. Wes is not one for the 30 second ad or inane blurb.

With all that said I still think he'd be a tremendous running mate for Obama. But he's so close to the Clintons I doubt it could happen.

[rucky]

67. That's kinda why we like him. n/t

[TheDonkey]

57. I think Clark should be entertained. I'd like to see if he would make certain states competitive

we need someone to deliver votes unlike in 04 I do not think Edwards delivered any new votes.

[Hippo_Tron]

33. Nunn is a horrid choice

Obama's message of change isn't going to resonate when he has a dinosaur campaigning next to him. Georgia doesn't have a prayer of flipping blue except in a blow-out. And frankly Nunn's actions when Clinton was trying to allow gays to serve openly in the military were disgraceful. Not only did he kill a perfectly sensible policy, he also weakened Clinton and helped give the Republicans control of congress in '94.

Obama can do much better than Sam Nunn.

[woolldog]

40. that's a good point about him not fitting with the change theme....

but by that standard Obama can't pick somene with lots of experience, which we all know is exactly who he needs (for PR purposes).

[Hippo_Tron]

45. Sam Nunn is the epitome of a has been

You won't find anybody who is not a political junkie or doesn't live in Georgia that has ever heard of him. Obama could pick someone with lots of foreign policy experience like say Joe Biden or Wes Clark who are currently still active in politics and still be able to convey the theme of change.

Nunn is also 69 years old. Obama needs someone younger so he can draw contrast to McGramps.

[reflection]

72. Respectfully disagree.

Nunn can help Obama shed the "lightweight" label and capture more of the centrist vote, that big fat juicy area under the bell curve where all the votes are. And no one's gonna look like a dinaosaur this election as long as McCain is somewhere on the stage.

[Hippo_Tron]

77. Obama doesn't need the appearance that his VP is going to be running the country

Not after 8 years of Bush and Cheney. Bill Richardson adds national security experience to the ticket but that will be overshadowed by the fact that he is Hispanic, which is another advantage. The ticket can subtly hint at Richardson's national security experience when needed but the media won't automatically talk about how he needs Richardson to make up for something he lacks, because they will be talking about the Hispanic aspect more.

[reflection]

80. Good point. It is kind of a 2-for-1 with BR.

Hispanic plus the experience. Although I would wager that Obama will need some more of the white vote after this hard-fought campaign which has featured race as a primary undercurrent. That being said, Richardson would probably make a fine VP.

[Hippo_Tron]

81. Obama will get at least the same amount of white voters that Kerry got...

He will get the same amount of white working class males, a demographic that isn't going to be swayed over by Hillary or Obama. He will do a little better with white women and better with suburban middle-class white voters, particularly younger ones.

And anybody who is under the impression that Hillary is going to get those white working class voters is delusional. Certain candidates like Bill Clinton or Jim Webb can do that. Hillary isn't one of those candidates and Obama isn't one of them either.

[gmudem]

38. Webb, Clark, Kaine, Richardson, Biden, Dodd

All much better options than Nunn. For one thing nobody knows who Nunn is, even I know next to nothing about him. And from what other DU'ers have said he sounds like a DLC'er who doesn't have the same philosophy as Obama.

If Obama could get Clark to be on the ticket, even though he is a Lieberwoman supporter, that would be an absolute steal. I don't see how that ticket could possibly lose.

[Hippo_Tron]

46. Sam Nunn is a center-right Democrat...

He served in the Senate in the 70's, 80's, and 90's when the Republicans weren't nearly as organized in places like Georgia as they are now. Nunn is without a doubt better than the slime known as Saxby Chambliss that currently occupies that seat, but he's not progressive by any means and not national ticket material.

[saltpoint]

24. Left to me, I'd urge Obama to choose someone else, but that isn't to

say that electorally, Nunn would not appeal to many of the military types McCain may lure.

Nunn might be effective presiding over the Senate as well.

I'd prefer Bill Bradley or Bill Richardson or Kathleen Sebelius, etc.

[Mags]

26. Oh My God, How Old is He?

[OHdem10]

27. Tsk, Tsk, we must put some age and experience on the ticket.

Kidding.

[tritsofme]

28. 69

nt

[Gore1FL]

35. Hillary is being mentioned as a possible VP too

neither is going to happen.

[StevieM]

56. I think if he wins the nomination then he'll have to offer it to her. I can't imagine she would

take it.

Steve

[TheDonkey]

58. Hillary would beg for a VP spot. I hope Obama does not pick her

even if the polls say it would help. The polls lie. Ask Kerry about picking Edwards. He should go with someone he genuinely thinks will work with him to win the WH.

[StevieM]

59. Nope, that's just what you want the truth to be. Hillary would never take the VP spot, as much

as it makes you happy to imagine her dreaming about it and then being denied. And if Obama didn't offer it to her he would be screwed. Even Obama's campaign has acknowledged that they are counting on her campaigning for him to help get him over with her voters.

Steve

[Warren DeMontague]

42. "seriously considered" ... by who? The pundit class that said Hillary & Rudy were "front runners"?

10 to 1, it's not gonna be Nunn.

I think Richardson is a strong bet. Personally, I'd like to see Dodd or Feingold, but I can live with Richardson. Or Clark or Webb if you buy that we need some kind of southern military energy on the ticket to win (which I don't).

But Sam Nunn? Doubtful, I think.

[Neshanic]

44. Meanwhile a bored Richardson awaits a call on his Obama line.

"Please let it be him!"

[barack the house]

60. He needs a woman VP or Richardson as far as I can see. Nothing else works....

Richardson brings a large latino vote a woman vp maintains the female vote.

[bridgit]

61. Nunn's cool, but he's a dem war hawk from way back...

BHO supporters are about to receive the education of their lifetimes :dunce:

[barack the house]

62. He needs a dynamic ticket that to me says Richardson or a woman vp.

[rucky]

68. I'm beginning to agree with that strategy...

another white-haired white guy would be playing it safe, but if we're running on a change ticket, we need to commit.

[eridani]

64. Someone older than Obama would be fine

--but jeezus, not THAT much older.

[BooScout]

69. This is bullshit...

Sam Nunn has stated unequivocably since he retired from the US Senate that he has no interest in EVER running for any office again.

[JerseygirlCT]

70. By whom?

I've only heard that in your post. Where are you getting this information?

Nunn is a horrible choice, I think. I'd really prefer he run with a Democrat. (And yes, I know Nunn thinks he's one. So does Joe Lieberman, and so did Zell Miller)

[reflection]

71. Woohoo! I was talking up this combo some time ago.

Thanks for the heads up!

[newmajority]

74. No on Sam Nunn

Too old. Too conservative for the ticket. Fucking homophobe.

And (aside from Nunn) why do people keep mentioning senators??

Two senators on a ticket is political suicide.

[Kesaco]

78. Sam Nunn = eeeewwwww

[kiranon]

79. Sam Nunn is anti choice. Will Obama move that far to the right?

[knixphan]

82. Biden would shut up pundits like Tweety...