Here on DU Obama is already the nominee, will Obama be able to unite the party tonight?

[2rth2pwr]

We hear all the arguments that the math is not there for Hillary, that there is no way that she can be the nominee.

Political parties are usually eager to come together, create momentum, and rally the troops behind the nominee.

If that is true, why in that type of environment, why can't Obama unite the party?

Apparently all avenues are closed to Hillary, Obama will be our leader and President in November because he is a uniter, he can bring

people together.

If Obama really had the skills the he claims to have, he would be able to bring us together. We are on the same side, right?

We want to defeat McCain this year, right?

If Obama can't unite Democrats, how the hell can he bring the people of this country together?

Why can't he close this deal?

[CakeGrrl]

1. What could he say to bring you over, assuming you are not 'on his side' now?

What would you like to hear from him that you apparently have yet to hear?

[JuniperLea]

4. I'd like to hear him tell his supporters to take a chill pill

And stop the hating.

[TheWraith]

112. That's ironic given that the hatred in this campaign has come from the Clinton side.

Every major smear has been from the Clinton camp. Every denigration, every blind assertion, and every insistance that the Republican is better than the other Democrat has come from the Clinton camp.

The hatred you see stems from having one of our own running the Karl Rove playbook against a fellow Democrat, even after it's clear that the battle has been lost.

[JuniperLea]

127. Both sides are guilty

You cannot fault another camp for what your camp is doing. Both camps need a smack-down.

If we don't unite now, McCain wins. It's going to take all of us to win this thing or the GOP wins again... or we make it too easy for them to steal again... they really don't care one way or the other.

Time to take the high road. Being what we hate doesn't work.

[Romulox]

64. "This is *specifically* what I would do to address Michigan's economy..."

"What would you like to hear from him that you apparently have yet to hear?"

[JuniperLea]

2. Are his supporters ready to follow their leader?

I certainly hope both Obama and his supporters are on board with this idea.

[LSK]

12. we will once Hillary supporters stop posting incredibly stupid stuff such as

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5840672&mesg_id=5840734

[JuniperLea]

34. So, you aren't mature enough to go first?

This is so freaking childlike I can't really believe it's happening on DU.

[LSK]

42. show me where I am doing it

[JuniperLea]

113. Post 12, this thread

This is the typical "When Johnny has to take out the trash, I will" deal.

We all need to knock it off, now. We all need each other for the GE. The Obama camp can't do it alone, nor can the Hillary camp... to win the GE we need to start filling up the Democrat camp!

[dogday]

54. Stupid stuff is coming from Both Campaigns.. To say otherwise is an exercise in futility...

If you think this is a one-sided affair, forget it.. I see it flung from BOTH SIDES OF THIS CAMPAIGN.. For anyone else to say anything contrary to that is just plain wrong...

I have seen some of the worst things come out of the mouths of Obama's and Clinton's supporters.. I think how is this uniting anyone?


Obama will need every Clinton supporter out there and then some to beat McCain.. This will not be a lock, we are hanging by a thread with this divided party....

[ProSense]

3. Why can't Hillary? Better yet,

why can't Hillary, the fomerly inevitable candidate, win?

[JuniperLea]

5. As if to illustrate the hate

:eyes:

[ProSense]

8. Hate? Reality. Stop the willful ignorance. n/t

[JuniperLea]

15. How am I willfully ignorant as your insult suggests? eom

[ProSense]

18. It was a general statement about the ridiculous spin in threads like the OP, but

if you believe the shoe fits...

[JuniperLea]

DU 101

If you are responding to the OP, click on the reply at the bottom of the OP.

If you are responding to another comment, click on that comment's reply... which is what you did.

I see you are confused. Carry on.

[CreekDog]

45. that doesn't illustrate hate

and if you believe it does, then the OP which says the same thing applied to someone else, is doing the same thing (and you didn't say that the OP was illustrating hate).

what precisely is the hate in post #3 and if it is hate, is it any different than the OP?

[redqueen]

117. Thank you.

You have summarized how this kind of "unity" isn't really about unity at all...

*sigh*

[ampad]

139. It's called selective outrage

No different than the faux outrage that frequents this forum.

[LSK]

6. he only has tonite to unite the party??? tomorrow is too late?

:wtf:

[PoliticalAmazon]

53. Yes, Hillary is still planning on controlling things after voters have told her to GO HOME. n/t

[DJ13]

7. If you dont believe Obama can, imagine the mess if Clinton tried

[2rth2pwr]

35. She never made the claim. Obama has.

[PoliticalAmazon]

55. She has tried very hard to alienate Obama supporters. She can't unite us at this point. n/t

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

9. it's just plain ol' funny to hear supporters of the most divisive family in democratic politics ask

why the guy they relentlessly bash can't unite the party. That's good stuff.

[Catherina]

33. Rec'd. n/t

[rateyes]

10. He's going to close the deal.

Just not on your time schedule. I'll expect your vote for him when he's the nominee, since you are so very concerned about party unity.

[ananda]

11. If Obama can't unite the Dem party..

.. it means that the party itself is
fractured and not unitable.

I hope that isn't the case.

[2rth2pwr]

28. I keep hearing that the people who don't support Obama are stupid, racist, hateful,

or neo-cons, who don't know what's good for them. And that's just the descriptions for Dems.

Blame the people who don't support Barack, it has nothing to do with the fact that Obama's rhetoric is BS.

He can transcend racial and partisan divides, he has been bringing people together his whole life= BS.

[RaleighNCDUer]

62. Not all the people who don't support Obama are stupid, racist, hateful,

or neocons.

But those who are reveal themselves by their rhetoric. And it is they who we oppose, and they who will never come to support Obama under any circumstances.

And yes, he can transcend racial and partisan divides, he has been bringing people together his whole life. Just look at the history.

As has been noted before, the ultra-partisans on this board are not representative of the Democratic party as a whole. In the real world, people tend to be more amenable good ideas.

[Mags]

77. don't you ever tire of calling racism at every corner?

[RaleighNCDUer]

129. Whassat?

MY post only said that there are racists out there, and their own posts identify them. And YOU get defensive.

What am I supposed to make of that?

[Bake]

107. He's not doing too hot a job "transcending the racial divide."

Evidence: Continued accusation (many, if not most, of them baseless) of racism by his supporters.

Great job, there, Obama.

Bake

[Mags]

78. I believe it is more fractured then it has ever been. I would consider

joining a 3rd party if there were one. I'd join it today.

[WeDidIt]

13. Obama is not the nominee yet

So long as there are two people in the primary and nobody has hit the requisite number of delegates, there is no presumptive nominee.

Once we have a presumptive nominee it will take at a minimum, four weeks to have most of the party united.

For each month from this point forward that this drags out, add two weeks to the required number of days to have most of the party united.

[Lilith Velkor]

104. !

I find your rationality most refreshing. :applause:

[Bake]

108. Do you just make this shit up?

How do you calculate that kind of crap? Oh, and how exactly is Obama going to pull it off? Let me guess, by purging the party of anyone who didn't support him to begin with? That's what the Obots would like to do ... nevermind the fact that the resulting half-sized party can't win.

Bake

[Tesha]

14. Well that's up to folks like you, isn't it?

But based on your past performance, I'm afraid we all
know the answer.

Tesha

[JuniperLea]

16. You had me at the subject line and lost me with the hate... eom

[Tesha]

17. Curious; I didn't include any "hate".

But you need only review the OP's posts to reach
the same sad conclusion that I've reached.

Tesha

[ProSense]

19. Looks like someone is throwing around the word "hate." n/t

[dogday]

44. And it looks like many are throwing around the action of "Hate"

you don't have to say it, to show it.. Actions a lot of the time speak much louder than words.. I hope to see all Democrats come together with a united front against the Republicans and the Media slime machine... We need as many as we can get... It's time to make friends with our fellow Democrats....

[ProSense]

66. "a united front against the Republicans and the Media slime machine"

Maybe you could send a memo to Hillary's campaign.

[dogday]

69. Why, I don't support her, nor do I support Obama, just the Democrats

But there you go again with these statements that have the intent to inflame, you need to be uniting, because if Obama wins this primary, he will need every Democrat, including Clinton Democrats to step up to the plate..


.. Both Camps are deserving of a memo...

[ProSense]

95. "statements that have the intent to inflame" If that's the way you characterize the facts

"Both Camps are deserving of a memo... "

I don't buy that BS claim.

[dogday]

96. Of course you don't, you can't see it for your candidate and

the hillary people can't see it because of their support...

Open your eyes to the facts... Both camps are doing it... Both of them...

That is why I am so glad I don't have a candidate.. I would hate to be part of the problem.. I am trying to be part of the solution...

Look ahead to the GE when all Democrats need to come together.. You think some will forget the slurs and arrows thrown? We need to reach across and embrace our fellow Democrats...

[ProSense]

138. Why not help me see it: give me examples. n/t

[dogday]

142. You want examples of both sides slinging shit at each other...

Damn just browse through GD-P If there isn't one thread slamming Obama, there is another slamming Clinton... Look at all the responses from each candidates supporters... They could not be meaner....

If you need exact links of people calling each other's candidate pieces of shit, just look at GD-P.. It is an equal opportunity offender......

And if you still can't see it, you are so blinded by your candidate, even when I show it to you, you will renounce it...

[ampad]

140. It's the pee wee word of the day

Funny because it is such a strong word. I don't think it should be flung around towards those that happen to disagree or challenge you but don't actually hate you but I digress. :eyes:

[JuniperLea]

22. This is hubris and hate

"But based on your past performance, I'm afraid we all
know the answer."

[Tesha]

25. No problem then: prove me wrong. There's a "Google" box just up to the right... (NT)

[JuniperLea]

29. That's not the point and I would hope you would know that

It's hateful to say such things even if they are true.

[Tesha]

79. What? I think you'd better explain yourself better. (NT)

[RaleighNCDUer]

65. Some people really love the word 'hate'.

They think it helps their side if they can paint the other side as 'haters'.

An old Rovian trick.

[dogday]

73. That's a shame that you choose to be blinded by the facts

And the facts are both camps are nasty and mean to each other.. To say only one side is responsible is ridiculous. No Rovian tricks, just bad attitudes toward fellow Democrats....

[LakeSamish706]

20. And please quit whining, you sound like my 2 year old grand son. n/t

[JuniperLea]

31. That all you got, gramps?

As if to illustrate the facts...

[CreekDog]

50. ohhh lookie there, i think you are "hating"

i thought you didn't like that sort of thing? :eyes:

[dogday]

59. How is calling him Gramps hating?

He referred to his grandchild, therefore the title fits... Gramps is not a bad term.. Although what Gramps said was not very nice.....

[dogday]

41. And you sound like another divisive Democrat who doesn't realize

that your candidate will need all the votes he can get come November... This divisive behavior really needs to cease, and we as Democrats need to come together to beat McCain.. Half the party won't cut it.. Either half won't cut it.. We need each other whether you like it or not....

[CreekDog]

48. you keep saying things are hate

but it's a difference of opinion and no more strident than what you typically post. are you a hater too?

[dogday]

61. One posts to unite, the other to divide.. You be the judge....

I choose the uniter.. The person who realizes the bigger picture... The GE is the big picture and no more Republican leadership... We need all Democrats, Obama Democrats, Clinton Democrats, Undecided Democrats, Edwards Democrats... We need them all....

[HCE SuiGeneris]

27. Perfectly stated.

:thumbsup:

[dogday]

39. You say it is up to them, yet you go ahead and make divisive

statements like we all know the answer to that... I would say both camps are acting the worst I have ever seen.. So much so, I don't have a candidate... I will support and vote Democrat.. However this behavior from both sides needs to subside so we can all come together in November....

[Tesha]

80. I'm sorry, but the poster I was replying to...

...has a long, long history of, shall we say,
"speaking their mind frankly". It's a matter
of public record and, as I said, you can see
as many examples as you can stand by using
that handy Google box just up to the right.

While I always start with the assumption of good
faith, the OP has long since worn that out and I
see no evidence that they will be interested in
"making nice" once the primary is settled.

Tesha

[dogday]

83. What poster in this forum doesn't speak their mind freely and sometimes rudely?

The words fall on us worse than bombs at times..
I don't need to google anything.. I read, I see, and I am the minority neutral person who does not support any one candidate but chooses to support and endorse the party....

Being neutral has given me the better advantage, I am looking at the big picture of the GE which is not going to be an easy election at all....

[Tesha]

87. Many posters, in this forum and others, are better-behaved than the OP. (NT)

[dogday]

88. I wished I could believe that, but I have seen good people leave

and others offended..

I see everyone calling each other names, hoping they get TS'd, or calling posters trolls...


See what I mean?

[Tesha]

91. I see a much smaller set of determined bile-spewers.

I've long been of the opinion that banning just a few
posters (and yes, the OP among them) would lead to a
much more amicable-discussion.

Tesha

[dogday]

92. Wow see that is the attitude I have been speaking about...

Why can't you just debate them and do it intelligently... You want them banned? How nice of you to do that to your fellow Democrats.. I can debate anyone and anything and not take it personally... When your only Son goes to Iraq, and your Brother and Sister die within six months of each other, you start to find perspective in life, what really is personal and important... To me it is to see as many Democrats in office as possible, that is my goal and I am looking ahead to the GE, because that is when the real fight begins....

Try debating intelligently and if that does not work: Ignore is your friend.

But to want to ban others because they disagree with you, or don't support your candidate, is offensive to me...

[Tesha]

98. A number of folks aren't here to have their minds open to being changed.

> But to want to ban others because they disagree with you,
> or don't support your candidate, is offensive to me...

That, of course, is *NOTHING* that I said. I'm completely
open to being disagreed with. But the folks I'm speaking
about aren't here for that and they aren't open to having
their minds changed.

They are here strictly to shill for their candidate.

Or, like the clients in the old Monty Python sketch,
they are simply here for an argument.

By the way, posting "straw man quotes" (suggesting that
I said something which I nowhere said or even inferred)
is a typical tactic of those sorts of folks; you probably
want to avoid it if you want to be taken seriously.

Tesha

[dogday]

99. Why should they have their minds changed? Are you changing yours?

They have picked their candidate and like you are supporting their candidate, just like you...

Now you insult me, because why? This is the type of post I am referring too..

I am being taken seriously because I don't insult others or post rage posts, you should seriously think about that...

And as for your nasty paragraph at the bottom.. I forgive you fellow Democrat...

On Edit: Your Quote

I've long been of the opinion that banning just a few
posters (and yes, the OP among them) would lead to a
much more amicable-discussion.

Tesha

Sounds like you want to ban a few posters to me.. Where is the strawman argument?

[Tesha]

101. Don't forgive me; just don't deliberately *MISQUOTE* me. (NT)

[dogday]

102. Check my thread I posted your quote

explain how I misquoted you....

Forgiveness is given, whether you accept it or not....

On Edit: Your Quote

I've long been of the opinion that banning just a few
posters (and yes, the OP among them) would lead to a
much more amicable-discussion.

Tesha

Sounds like you want to ban a few posters to me.. Where is the strawman argument?

[Tesha]

110. Don't be obtuse.

You stated, categorically, that I wanted to see banned
those folks who disagree with me. That couldn't be
farther from the truth; I welcome disagreement and
productive discussion.

What I would like to see banned are dicks who come here
just to pimp their own candidates and/or argue. They
add nothing to our discussion except bad feelings, and
we could do fine without them.

Tesha

[dogday]

111. Don't be so damn mean

I support others who support a different candidate... After all the race is still on is it not?

I will forgive you a second time for your insult...


Intelligent people don't need to stoop to that level..

[saracat]

51. Folks like him? Doesn't the candidate have an obligation to convince the voter?

Obama has yet to convince me. It would help if I saw that he had ever done anything for any of the various constituencies he has represented.
He has displayed contempt for me as a white female babyboomer and so have his supporters.He has stated he has no interest in the events of the 60's and 70's. He has constantly voted approval for conservative lower court justices. Why would I want to support him? he hasn't done anything to earn my vote.

[Tesha]

82. Interestingly enough, that argument, while valid, never seems to apply...

...when we're discussing whether or not people should
vote for the DLC asshole. Then, it's always "vote D
or DIE!".

I'm sorry if Obama hasn't convinced you yet, but it's
still early and he really hasn't yet begun his General
Election campaign. AT that point, I expect the gloves
will be off and he'll be less-constrained in contrasting
his positions with his opponent's.

Tesha

[saracat]

105. Sorry but Obama is equally DLC as the other. Tim Rohmer is out stumping for him

and Ms.DLC Janet Napolitano. Doesn't get much more DLC than that right along with Daschle.The "D" after a name doesn't mean as much to me as it used to. If noone earns my vote, they just won't get it. I still won't vote GOP but I am not buying into voting for just anyone.

[Perry Logan]

21. All he has to do is say, "My fans are assholes. I hereby disown them."

[redqueen]

118. I see you've been spared the lecture about "hate".

Maybe you're on some ignore lists...

:shrug:

[JuniperLea]

135. Both candidates should say that

It would go a long way toward uniting the party! And we need to do that soon, or the GOP is going to be handed another term... by hook or by crook.

[frickaline]

23. Actually I'd like to know the answer to this also and I'd like to hear it from a Clinton supporter

I see a lot of posts here about why people like Hillary, but I don't see people posting a lot of facts in there. Mostly its emotive things like, 'because she's a fighter'.

Sure there are parts of this board that support Obama for purely emotive reasons too, but when there's a factual thread, either Obama supporters win the debate or Hillary supporters just abstain. What's the reason for this? Its not as though the board itself is partisan, just a few vocal posters. Anyone can post anything here they'd like to post!

Personally, I'd like to hear both sides of the argument. Are you sure you guys have done your research on the candidate you support? Because for this unaligned voter, its not apparent that you have.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. "I hated him before, and I STILL hate him- so how can he call himself a uniter?"

Why can't he close the deal?

...:eyes:

[2rth2pwr]

30. Why roll your eyes? He is the one claiming that he can bring people together.

edit spelling

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Tell me PRECISELY what it is that he would need to do for you to support him.

Seriously.

[2rth2pwr]

37. I'm not sure there is anything.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Exactly.

I rest my case.

[2rth2pwr]

47. Then why does Obama go around saying it, when everybody including his supporters know it's BS?

[Warren DeMontague]

56. He's talking about voters who are capable of rational thought and being reasoned with.

You've established yourself that there's nothing -ZERO- anyone can say or do to change your mind, so you don't qualify.

[2rth2pwr]

68. Maybe he could include that part in his speeches. "I can bring people together

from all walks of life, of all colors, faiths, places of origin, blah, blah.., I can reach out and overcome the things that divide us and

I have been doing that my whole life, except for the people who are way too dumb or who have evil in their heart, those people are

hopeless."

[Warren DeMontague]

97. There's no point in talking to someone who absolutely refuses to listen.

That's for fucking sure.

[mkultra]

71. and your candidate is the one being divisive.

You cant stand on that ground and ask why he hasn't done better against such sloth.

[2rth2pwr]

74. I am questioning the foundation of his candidacy. Some things are divisive,

there is nothing wrong with being divisive. How can you reach across to the other side when it comes to slavery? You can't, someone

either supports it or they don't, it divided people here in this country. Same with abortion, is there a compromise on that issue?

Just because someone or something is divisive does not make them wrong.

Going around saying that everyone can be united is the big lie.

[mkultra]

90. Well, his candidacy is about NOT being divisive

Thats the foundation. If you ask why he cant unite the party. Then i say to you that will and he will beat McCain.
divisiveness is wrong and is a problem with America and its politics. Many people support Obama because they get that. Not everyone will be united, but there is middle ground that can be found amongst progressives as well as between progressives and conservatives.


Bush is a fine example of this kind of divisiveness. He appeals to the base instincts and fears of Americans forcing the voting body to divide somewhere in the middle and gravitate to the outer fringes. This is the politics of old and , in my opinion, the politics of Hillary.

To me, a moderate progressive, Obama allows me to reside in the middle and actually debate issues without catchy little fear snippets and sound bites. I am perfectly fine reaching out to conservatives and finding common ground on many issues providing that final decisions lay with the progressives.

[shadowknows69]

26. Hopefully Clinton will too

She has stated if he is the nominee she will fully support him. Hopefully she's as good as her word.

[KoKo]

32. I voted for Obama today....but think Hillary should stay in until all states have voted.

I hope we don't continue to see all the hate here against Hillary, if she stays in. I voted for Obama because I don't want Clintons back in the White House...but there are other Dems voting for Hillary who don't agree. I just don't like to see folks hating each other for differences of opinion when folks ae still voting and since all Dems are Dems...even if the DLC is closer to Repug than Dem...nothing could be worse than Repugs and McCain.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. You answered your own question in Post #38.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5840675&mesg_id=5841140

That pretty much says it all.

[cliffordu]

43. Do you actually have a question?

Your hatred is transparent.

There are plenty of places you can ply your trade, I'm sure others can supply you with many fine web sites where you can ask these "questions," right after she steps down.

Prolly tomorrow.

:hi:

[2rth2pwr]

52. "Your hatred is transparent" - what does that mean exactly?

I take it to mean that there are some people who feel so strongly that their position or candidate is so right that anybody who disagrees

is either an idiot or just plain evil.

Is that about the basis of your argument?

[cliffordu]

58. Read your previous posts. Only hatred can cover that kind of

constant negativity towards a candidate and his constituency.

Subtle hatred, but hatred nonetheless.

[2rth2pwr]

60. Just a quick scan of the comments here on this thread will show the usage of

hate or hatred is pretty constant from Obama supporters.

I wonder why that is?

[cliffordu]

63. Don't blame others for your posts. Take some responsibility.

Be free to be exactly who you are!

Celebrate your brave stances on the critical issues of the day!!

[2rth2pwr]

72. Funny, I knew you would say something like that. LOL! The words "hate and hateful"

are being used against just about anybody here who isn't blindly following Obama. Take a look just on this thread.

[cliffordu]

75. Circular logic. specious argument.

Here you are, back at the beginning...

It's always about how folks are picking on you. Go read what you posted.

Be proud of who and what you are!!!

[2rth2pwr]

76. Slow down, they are calling "other" people, not me, hateful or using hate.

A quick look will show you at least 10 examples.

[Tesha]

86. You ask this question as if you have no posting record here at DU.

Unfortunately (for you), you do, and many of us
are familiar-enough with it to understand your
likely motivation in posting this sort of question.

Tesha

[yodermon]

46. You are conflating 2 issues. Hillary is still running.

If/when she drops out of the race, *then*, yes, I will be interested to see how Obama will court Hillary supporters.
Hillary supporters *do not acknowledge* that Obama "is the nominee" at this point (which is fine), so they'll still support Hillary. Duh.

[burythehatchet]

114. c'mon, it was more fun this way.

[rucky]

49. Isn't that sort of a two-way street?

I have to ask: Will you be supporting the nominee?

[2rth2pwr]

57. I won't vote for McCain.

If it is something that is out of Obama's hands why does he make the claim that "he" can unite people?

Better yet, why do his supporters swallow that without question?

[rucky]

67. It's sort of a catch-22...

believing it makes it so. Yes, I know exactly how corny that sounds, but...

Haven't you ever wanted to accomplish something, and met resistance from skeptics who have no stake in it - but try to hold you back anyways?

If you'll get behind the nominee eventually - to at least a minimal degree with your GE vote - does it really matter how enthusiastically you put your finger on the touchscreen, compared to other people? With any public figure, some will be more adored than others, and none will be followed by everyone.

David Hasselhoff is really, really popular in Germany. What's up with that?

[mkultra]

70. if you know enough to ask this question...

then you know enough to be the change you want to see.


Obama will speak on this issue once Hillary drops. Until then, hes going to stay on message and try to stay positive.

[GihrenZabi]

81. Why?

Obama can't unite the party because:

1) 3 out of 10 Hillary supporters are racists who won't vote for Obama because he's black
2) 2 out of 10 Hillary supporters are part of the cult of personality she's created for herself over the years
3) 3 out of 10 Hillary supporters are women who just want a woman in the White House.
4) 2 out of 10 Hillary supporters are ignorant Americans who swallow precisely what the news tells them to believe (Obama's "elitist," Obama believes what his pastor believes, Obama doesn't have enough experience, etc.).


Obama is appealing to intelligence and our better natures, which is a huge risk - because many Americans just aren't all that smart and don't HAVE better natures.


Once Hillary is out of the way, enough people who just don't want McCain in the White House but who supported Hillary will vote for Obama, and Obama will get even more support from his intellectual, wealthy base, even more young people will get jazzed up about the chances of actually having a forward-thinking, politically-untainted President, and he will pull out the win.

If not - then it's time for the Progressives to finally wake the fuck up and abandon the Democratic Party, and allow it to fall. It's way, way past its prime. It's just part of the cycle of American politics that when a political party ceases to be effective it breaks up and a new party is formed to do what the old party was supposed to do, but didn't.

We need a real, liberal and progressive alternative to the Neo-Cons and the conservatives in America so that we can join the rest of the Western industrialized world in the 21st century politically.

Obama is a leader who can get us on that path. Hillary isn't.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

84. Hillary can?

How?

[2rth2pwr]

89. Where do I make that claim? She never has made that claim, Obama has.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

94. So, what's your point?

Politicians make extravagant statements all the time about what they're going to do. Not exactly an unknown course of action for Hillary.

Big deal.

[2rth2pwr]

106. The difference is, Obama has made his ability to bring people together the foundation

upon which his whole campaign rests.

[Stop Cornyn]

85. Baby steps. Tonight is just another baby step.

[Cali_Democrat]

93. Why cant Obama cure world hunger?

:shrug:

[2rth2pwr]

130. The foundational premise of his campaign is not curing world hunger, bringing people together is.

[Mooney]

100. He "closed the deal" in Wisconsin in February.

He accumulated the delegates that she can't surpass three months ago. Deal closed.

But it's not his fault that Hillary decided to disregard simple math and stay in anyway. He would have a lot less trouble uniting the party if there wasn't still an active primary happening.

Unity happens after the voting's done, not before. If he does become the nominee, will you declare him a failed candidate in October because he hasn't united all the McCain voters with the Democrats?

[Tesha]

103. The point, of course, *ISN'T* unity. The point is for the DLC to win at all costs. (NT)

[Mooney]

109. Oh, I know.

I just have an automatic knee-jerk reaction to the "close the deal" meme. For some reason I feel an overwhelming need to respond to it every time I see it. I know I'm not changing anyone's mind.

[2rth2pwr]

134. Forget Hillary, if he is "The One" with all this ability to bring people together, why

this late in the game can't he get half the party to support him and end this thing?

His whole schtick is his vaunted ability to unite, if he can't unite and he can't bridge racial and partisan divides, what does he have

to bring to the table? His community organizing skills, his bookwriting skills?

Maybe he could just write a book about community organizing, because my community seems to be doing fine without someone organizing us.

Maybe we could find out what that job description means.

[Mooney]

136. I think your mind has been made up about this for a long time.

I think you're asking an intellectually dishonest and disingenuous question that you don't really want an answer to, because in your mind, you've already got an answer, and it's better and smarter than any one that I could give or anyone else could give. I can tell that because you didn't respond to anything that I said, and just posted your own beliefs, which you already stated in your original post.

[Erin Elizabeth]

115. ....

"Why can't he close this deal" was the talking point from two or three weeks ago. Catch up.

[2rth2pwr]

141. It will be the talking point tonight also.

[Aloha Spirit]

116. I thought I already sprayed for fleas.

[redqueen]

119. Why is it that ONLY Obama's supporters are being lectured about "hate"

on this thread and most others?

The hypocritical bullshit around this place is really getting to be too much to put up with.

[Life Long Dem]

120. Juniperx, and others who have been using this post to slap Obama supporters.

But Juniperx post number 4 started this off with a reference to Clinton.

This post deals with Obama and 'ALL' candidates supporters. Not 'ALL' candidates. Just Obama, and if you would like to help and join in, then we'd like you to. But you would need to forget about the fights in the past, and have some serious discussion. If not - but I do hope you do join in - can you please refrain from trying to unite Clinton into this? It's not about Clinton and any revenge, regrets, or how badly each of us were. That's in the past, this is looking into the future.

[dogday]

125. I think both camps need a good spanking...

It amazes me how neither will admit their part in this mess... Because of all the animosity, I have no candidate.. I state in all my posts I see the poo being slung from both sides and I have had posters say no it's Clinton, or no it's Obama.. Nobody will own their responsibility of being civil to each other...

All I know is come November, whether it be Obama, or Clinton, we will have to pull together.. The slings and arrows being thrown might make that impossible.. In which case, we don't have a united front and the Repulikans win it...

[JuniperLea]

126. Calling out another DUer is against the rules

Misstating their intents is just plain morally wrong.

I'll gladly put the smack-down on anyone who shows this sort of disrespect to other DUers, regardless of the candidate they support.

If the smack-down fits...

[Umbram]

121. Does repeating an attempt at circular logic make a figure eight? (nt)

[crankychatter]

122. growth trumps unity n/t

,

[Time for change]

123. The Party is never united around anyone before they get to the required delegate count

As long as Hillary stays in the race and has any chance of winning, the Party will not be united. I don't think it's fair to blame that on Obama. Name a Democrat who COULD unite the Party with his current delegate count as long as the person in 2nd place was intent on prolonging it.

[iamthebandfanman]

124. itll come together, and if it doesnt

hey , its probably for the best ?

[zulchzulu]

128. The REAL question is why Hillary Clinton couldn't close the Deal

She was practically coronated. Now she lost.

Instead of asking what "happened" to Obama (who has won by all counts), ask what happened to Hillary...

[Levgreee]

131. His mind control device is in for repair. Damn those people with their own strong opinions!

[FlyingSquirrel]

132. BECAUSE THE MSM WON'T LET HIM.

AND I'M NOW IGNORING ANYONE WHO KEEPS PARROTING THEM AND ASKING THAT

******************STUPID***************** QUESTION!

:rant:

x(

[2rth2pwr]

137. Woah, hang on one second.... wait..

Made you look.

[high density]

133. We're waiting for Clinton to drop out

Like everybody else has.