For those thinking of Clinton for VP

[DearAbby]

Please can you think of anything that could beat this future ad?


::cue in music for New McCain political ad:::

This is the same person who claimed as a candidate, Barack Obama had no experience to be President, how can she now run on the same ticket with him running for that office?

This is the same person, who had claimed, McCain had more experience as President, Barack Obama only had a speech.

Who will you vote for in November?

I am John McCain and I, and Hillary Clinton approved this message.

[jeff30997]

1. K&R

Good point.

[CakeGrrl]

2. That's the point I try to make. It rings false after all of Clinton's negativity

It's an easy mark for the Repubs to make fun of a "ticket of convenience".

Pelosi called it a while ago - no "unity" ticket.

Clinton's still planning to campaign on the "Obama can't win" strategy according to her campaign's press call this morning.

:wtf:

[DearAbby]

3. She has pretty much burned her bridges

with her negative campaigning. I don't see how this will not be used, if Clinton was handed the VP slot on the ticket.

[Zodiak]

10. And because of that argument, my rhetorical daggers are still poised

She is running to hurt Obama...it is clear as day.

[The Night Owl]

4. Clinton did not claim that Obama lacks the experience to be POTUS. Correct your post. {EOM}

[TheDonkey]

5. she said he has not passed the "threshold" to be CiC

she cannot be on the ticket.

[The Night Owl]

11. Show me the quote. {EOM}

[bunnies]

14. here

Hillary questions Obama's security creds
Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:47 PM by Mark Murray
Filed Under: 2008, Security, Clinton, Obama

From NBC/NJ's Athena Jones and Aswini Anburajan
WASHINGTON, DC -- Hillary Clinton today suggested Barack Obama had not met the commander-in-chief test.

She said that proving he was ready would be important with John McCain as the Republican nominee and with national security as a key issue in the election.

"I think it's imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold, and I believe that I've done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that, and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy," she said during a meeting with military officers and other national security experts in Washington, which was convened to discuss her own readiness for the job and her plans for dealing with the war in Afghanistan.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/06/739131.aspx

[The Night Owl]

17. So, there you go. Clinton may have implied that Obama has not crossed the C-in-C threshold, but...

...she stopped short of saying that. So, don't go putting words in the Senator's mouth because as we all know... words matter.

[bunnies]

23. Isnt the Clinton meme that words DONT matter?

JUST words. Now Im confused.

[DearAbby]

6. She said.......

McCain has experience to bring to the office, She had experience to bring to the office...Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.

[rhett o rick]

7. I heard her clear as a bell. She said she had experience and McSame had experience and left out

Obama. Maybe you should correct your post.

[redqueen]

8. Unbelievable. (nt)

[stevenleser]

20. Official "Revisionist History" *PLONK*

[gcomeau]

32. Ahem.

"I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002." -Hillary Clinton, March 3 2008.

Correct your own post.

[leftofcool]

9. Personally, I do not want Hillary as a VP

I want her to run again and this business of a unity ticket is BS

[DearAbby]

12. She is perfectly free to run again in 2016

After Obama's two successful terms. :hi:

[AZ Criminal JD]

13. When Obama goes down in flames Clinton doesn't want to be anywhere around it.

[bunnies]

15. Indeed. Gas and Fire are a deadly combination. nt

[galaxy21]

16. It won't alienate Obama supporters...

what are they going to do, not vote for him?

But it might gain Hillary supporters...

[RainDog]

21. you need to get out of 'bama sometime

the rest of the country doesn't think like Alabama.

[New Dawn]

18. Clinton on the ticket = McCain in the White House

[RainDog]

19. THAT KILLS HER CHANCES right there

exactly. if you go against your own party and support the other, then you don't get to ride on the gravy train of your opponents' victory.

Now I'm almost glad she said that. -- it was certainly THE moment that pushed me from dislike into disgust - that made me never ever want to vote for her.

Or maybe it was when she supported Lieberman over the Democratic candidate in the 2006 elections. If Lieberman has lost in his independent run, Congress would have been even stronger. If you see the moves Lieberman has made since he's no longer a Democrat - ANOTHER BAD CHOICE, Hillary.

Even tho I don't want to be mean, when I start thinking about these things, I get over feeling sorry for her for her loss. She earned it.

[NJSecularist]

22. You mean like LBJ and JFK in 1960?

They ripped each other apart during their campaigns.

[RainDog]

25. I posted about that earlier, in fact...

I'll repost it here.

It would be like JKF and LBJ -

Obama doesn't need to be forced to keep watching his back if we're trying to go forward. JFK had to offer the nominee to LBJ b/c of Johnson's political clout in the south (this was before the racist part of the south left the democratic party).

LBJ took it, even though Robert Kennedy was horrified because Robert Kennedy knew the sort of politics the Kennedy presidency would get from LBJ. In order to deal with LBJ after the election, Kennedy sent him all over the place around the world to get him away from the halls of power in DC. LBJ was a tad egotistical (hey, talk to me while I take a crap, peon) so being shuffled out of the halls of power in D.C. made him a little ticked off. The nation and Obama do not need a replay of this scenario.

If you think Clinton -- the "clinton machine" -- is any less powerful, then you're too idealistic.

That's why I say that Clark would be a good choice. He is part of the Clinton base, but he is not labeled as an ideologue. He has military experience to assuage those who might have some concerns. He has far more foreign policy experience than Clinton. He's smart as shite and he gives a certain portion of the male population that seems to suffer some sort of... anxieties that they are also part of the process and have not been carried off to the island of Amazon women. He is also not as alienating to the Dean sector of the party simply b/c he's not the white hot core of Clintonism.

(fwiw, I would rather have Richardson as vp, but realistically... who knows)

[Carolina]

28. yes, but LBJ offered the South and real legislative experience

HRC offers neglible "experience by proximity to power" and 50% negatives. Plus a black and a woman on the ticket is pushing the envelop too far.

Obama needs:

- a white male
- someone who didn't vote for IWR
- someone who is not DLC
- someone who supported HIM, not HRC's negative, poll-driven, pandering, kitchen sink campaign
- someone who will ENHANCE his appeal to independents especially in the South and West
- someone with military or foreign affairs experience

[SOS]

30. Good point

JFK sorta liked LBJ, but RFK hated Johnson. There was some very bad blood there.
Johnson had alot of nasty things to say about JFK, but once the ticket was in place Johnson campaigned his heart out for Kennedy and helped him win some Southern states (TX, LA, NC, SC etc).
Clinton might deliver AR. She can solidify NJ, NM, NH, MI. It's important to rise above personality (as in 1960) and create a pragmatic, winning ticket.

Obama could put Clinton in charge of health care reform. She might like the chance to correct some of the 1993 errors and succeed in 2009.

JFK and LBJ didn't actually fight in primaries. LBJ announced a week before the convention, but there are plenty of quotes from LBJ on JFK which were pretty rough.
Here's a classic:

“He (JFK) never said a word of importance in the Senate, and he never did a thing,”

And yet LBJ really did help Kennedy win.

Personally, I'd like to see this ticket.

[DearAbby]

24. No one has yet made a case

how they could combat this political ad. All they have to do is show the quote, her own words, show the video of her saying those words...then the question at the end.

Who will you vote for in November?

I am John McCain, and I and Senator Clinton approved of this message.

________________________

She burned her bridges, going for broke in the primaries. When she went negative against Obama. Her own words, the video of her saying them can be used in an ad campaign for McCain!

How in the hell can we fight that ad?

[nomaco-10]

26. NO WAY will she be VP EVER.....

She is everything that Obama promised us that we would not have to endure or embrace from the old, divisive politics of the past. I believe him. I truly do.

[Carolina]

27. K&R

send HRC packing.

Besides, Obama needs:

- a white male on the ticket
- someone who has not been tainted by HRC or support for her nasty campaign
- someone who did not vote for IWR!!!!!
- someone who will broaden his appeal to independents and yes, even repubs, in the South and West
- someone with military or foreign affairs experience

Tall order but do-able... YES, WE CAN!

[TexasObserver]

29. Reasons Hillary cannot be on the ticket

1. She is not trustworthy, and will undoubtedly undermine Obama

2. She is part of the problem, the old Washington mind set and ways

3. She is hopelessly compromised by her backers and Bill's deals

4. She believes throwing a fit, not reason and rationality, should prevail

5. Today you have to answer for Santino, Carlo

[superkia]

31. Only time will tell, we will see if Obama is who we think he is by his...

VP choice. If he chooses Clinton he is certainly showing us that he isn't about true change in Washington!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

33. Well for openers....

Any candidate dumb enough to waste money on attack ads aimed at the bottom half of the ticket is probably not going to win an election. And claiming the Hillary Clinton approved the message would lead to FEC fines.