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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:03 PM
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Clinton Falls Into Huckabee Role -- What To Expect From Her Now
http://www.411mania.com/politics/columns/74969

Hillary Clinton vowed to continue her campaign today, but it was fairly clear that we will see a different tone from her from now until the last primary contests on June 3rd. During her campaign stop in West Virginia today, Clinton seemed to remove many of her harsher shots at Obama. She also didn't mention Obama by name during her press conference with the media.

What we're now seeing is Clinton accepting that she can't win the race. She still won't quit until the end, just like Mike Huckabee didn't quit the Republican race until John McCain clinched the nomination, but also like Huckabee, I doubt we will see Clinton running negative ads or bashing the presumptive nominee -- Obama. She knows she will win West Virginia and Kentucky, and so she will do so without negativity or without spending much money. I doubt Obama spends much time in either state.

Clinton staying in until the end has several benefits for Obama. First of all, if Clinton quits tomorrow and he goes on to lose West Virginia and Kentucky (which he probably still would), it wouldn't look good. Second of all, resolving Florida and Michigan while the campaign is still active will be good for Obama and for the Democratic party. Third, Clinton continuing on but without the negativity and with a background message of party unity will help begin to unite the party and heal wounds. Fourth, it makes the last few states feel important and also sends a message that the Democratic party campaigned in every state and territory and went after every vote. And, while this isn't really an Obama benefit, if Clinton wants to make a case for VP, blowout wins in West Virginia and Kentucky probably wouldn't hurt, although I still think an Obama/Clinton ticket is extremely unlikely, mainly because Obama will probably never offer the spot to her. I will add, though, that Clinton staying in the race as a Huckabee-like character will hurt her legacy, as well as Bill Clinton's legacy. Huckabee became somewhat of a joke for staying in too long, and Clinton risks the same thing happening to her. I'm not sure she cares at this point, or if reality hasn't hit her yet. It may in the next few days.

But beyond everything else, Clinton cannot be pushed out of the race. If that happens, many of her supporters will blame it on Obama and it will make it that much harder to unite the party. That is why the general consensus from the quotes I've read from party insiders and undecided superdelegates is to let this go on until June 3rd, as long as she doesn't go negative and speaks mostly of party unity and against McCain and the Republicans, and then let her exit on her own terms in a graceful way. Even May 20th would work, as Clinton could say that Obama has now clinched the majority of the pledged delegates and use that as a way to exit gracefully. A messy exit where her supporters feel that she was forced out of the race by the media would do more to hurt Obama than help. I think he is just fine with her staying in until May 20th or June 3rd in a Huckabee role, spending her campaigning time attacking McCain and the Republicans and sort of simmering down the tension between her and Obama, and then exiting that way. It is obvious today that the people around Clinton have made it known to her that she can't win now, and she herself knows that. It was obvious from her campaign speech in West Virginia. Best thing to do is just to let her leave on her own terms. She will be the closest runner up for the Democratic nomination in history. It's a tough thing to deal with.

And anyway, Obama is already entering general election mode and plans to begin campaigning in general election states, so whether Clinton officially withdraws tomorrow or on June 3rd doesn't really make much of a difference.

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alterfurz Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:18 PM
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1. compelling analysis
very likely how the end game will play out.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:03 PM
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4. Thanks - I Thought So Too...
But there's just too much acrimony here now for much serious discussion.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:23 PM
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2. All these little tippy toe measures to
keep the queen bee from going medieval.

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:10 PM
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5. To Me, It Looks More To Keep the Fan Boys From Going Postal
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 08:16 PM
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6. Yeah, hilary is a queen
B.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 07:31 PM
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3. Huckahillary
I kid I kid, don't hurt me,lol HIllary's chances aren't good right know but huckabilly's were even more remote so it's not an exact comparison (but I do think that once obama hits the magic number that will be the time to end this)
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:03 PM
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7. it wouldn't be good for her to be seen as a Huckabee
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:16 PM
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9. I'm not sure she can be convinced of that. It's hard to tell, at this remove,
how much of her campaign direction is coming from her advisors and how much comes from her. IMO, her campaign has been surprisingly tone-deaf for months; I still don't understand why she didn't sling Mark Penn out on his overpaid ass back in February and re-tool. That leads me to believe that she believes a fair amount of what's coming out of her mouth, which could mean she might not be able to distance herself enough from the current situation to realize that she doesn't want to be a Huckabee. I'm guessing at two possible avenues: 1) she slips out after Oregon and the revelation of April's financial report (which I expect will not be very positive, despite the $10 million raised in one day claim) or 2) she tries to use her big margins in WV in KY to convince the superdelegates that America really isn't ready for a black man in office. If she goes for option 2, she may stay in the race until the convention, but she'll become increasingly irrelevant as I expect more and more SD's will seep away, although I suspect the state caucuses for delegates will have some lively credentials fights. If she goes for option 2, I think she'll actually end up damaging herself more than the party -- instead of being a dam in the river, she may simply be a rock that everything flows around. The rock will cause swirls and eddies and dangerous currents, but the river will still reach its destination.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 01:06 PM
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8. I agree she has changed her tone completely and it helps for Obama to start campaign offices in
those states.

I think it will be over May 20th


The pledged delegate lead will go to Obama on May 20th either in Kentucky or Oregon.

After that he will need about 100 Super Delegates.

There are press reports that quote unnamed sources that say 120 Super Delegates leaning to Obama will move at that time or very shortly thereafter.

Given that Obama added 10 yesterday I would guess that is an accurate picture.

Over by Oregon.

The next day May 21 will be a difficult day for Clinton as she has to release her fund raising for April - it will reveal the campaign misled everyone about $ 10 million day and the true nature of Clinton campaign finances will be there for all the SDs to see. I predict Senator Clinton will 'suspend' her race after her victory in Kentucky, and before Oregon's vote is announced - Oregon votes by mail so there is no same day impact on Oregon voters.
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