If BO gets the nomination how can he pull the Clinton supporters?

[Mags]

Do you think they will automatically fall in line because of the party?

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

1. By who he is and what he stands for compared to McCain.

[Texas Hill Country]

139. honestly, i know i doubt alot of what he says about who he is. and, further, none of you

know "who" he is either really?

[redqueen]

153. More Dem voters warm up to him after getting to know him than not. (nt)

[DemVet]

148. We need more that just all that cheerleading "yes we can" crap

[silverweb]

2. If they give half a shit about this country, they'd better.

n/t

[rodeodance]

11. The question was HOW would he do it.

[silverweb]

20. There were two questions.

I answered the second. The first will be answered by Barack Obama.

[Mags]

24. when ?

[silverweb]

30. When fall in line?

At the very, very latest, by the time the convention convenes.

We have to be together to battle the reTHUGs.

[dchill]

90. Moving goalposts?

How, when, - how about why? Anyway, the how: Let Hillary wind her campaign up the way she wants and needs to, and trust that she will stop trying to destroy the party's preferred nominee. When? He is already doing it - but a Clinton supporter would actually have to be listening. And why? Because John McCain could more than theoretically destroy this country, and the rest of the world while he was at it.

[PaDem]

96. May I ask what he'd need to do to get your vote?

if he is the nominee, is your vote up for grabs?

[McCamy Taylor]

120. That attititude is not a winning campaign strategy.

[silverweb]

130. It happens to be true.

Democrats who refuse to support the Democratic nominee are putting the entire country (and world) at risk for another four years of neocon/reTHUG tyranny, ecological destruction, and warmongering.

We're running out of time for getting our act together to get on with the campaign for the GE. I'm out of patience with whiners who won't get on board because of their bruised egos and personal disappointments.

The stakes are way too high and this may be our last chance to get it right.

ERGO, "If they (Clinton supporters) give half a shit about this country, they'd better (fall in line)."

[Texas Hill Country]

140. just because i ddnt like Obama means I dont care about this country?

[PatGund]

143. I'm not overly fond of Sen. Clinton.....

.....But I'd still vote for her over Sen. McCain.

If you care about this country, I'm sure you can overcome your personal dislike of Sen. Obama to do the right thing and vote for him over McCain.

[silverweb]

149. That's not what I said.

n/t

[DontTreadOnMe]

3. I can't see why not?

DO Hillary supporters think McCain has a better plan than Obama?

What's the matter with you?

[brentspeak]

9. It's a legitimate question, considering the tone of this race

It sure doesn't call for a "What's the matter with you?".

[shadowknows69]

87. Ok, how about, what the fuck is wrong with you?????

Are you a Democrat or not? There should lie your answer.

[greguganus]

137. Beat me to it. WTF? n/t

[Mags]

27. Hey, I am asking a question ,trying to get a legit. answer from his supporters.

nothing is wrong with me, but you seem very touchy.

[shadowknows69]

89. If you call yourself a Democrat and you won't vote for the nominee

There is something very wrong with you. It's called being a Republican.

[Mezzo]

102. would you be saying the same if Hillary were to nominee?

I doubt it.

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Obama Is In Their Best Interest

Supreme Court Justice appointments... Iraq war... "Free" trade...

[Major Hogwash]

21. Eggsactly!

Why would all of her supporters vote against their own best interests?

[hedgehog]

5. 6 words:

Supreme Court of the United States

[JVS]

6. Vote for him or McCain. It's up to you guys.

Have fun.

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. ITA. Everyone needs to do what they feel is the best for America....

...it's our responsibility AND our honor.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. Yes. They should. Because we have a primary process, and Obama will have won it.

And if they are DEMOCRATS, they should SUPPORT OUR NOMINEE.

[DinahMoeHum]

8. Where are they going to go to. . .McCain? They want 4 more years of Bush?

The Party leaders want to WIN just as bad as we do. I'm sure they'll pull out all the stops to ensure that ALL Democrats get to the polls and vote for Obama.

:kick::kick:

[nomorewhopper]

10. If?

if he gets the nomination?

you've got two choices in the GE. McCain or Obama. Or possibly Nader.

[rodeodance]

17. OP is not making ASSumptions. That is a good place to start.

[knixphan]

real liberals will get behind him

closeted bigots will finally come out and cross over to the GOP.

And I think both events will be good for us.

[dcindian]

12. Promise to nuke Iran or perhaps...

Probably just promise them a gas tax holiday.

[Pisces]

13. He would have won fair and square, you might not like it but thats how the process works.

[brentspeak]

16. Uh, what does that have to do with the OP's question?

[DearAbby]

14. Ask yourself....

are you going to be better off with McCain in the White house? Ask yourself this, if you have children, what effects this will have on them and their future?

[Major Hogwash]

15. It wouldn't be very hard at all - Democrats don't vote against their own value systems.

Obama has more in common with most Democrats than Hillary has - he started out poor.

[MonkeyFunk]

25. Ronald Reagan started out poor

I'm not sure that's a good measure of one's "democratness", especially considering the disdain a lot of Obama supporters here have for working class people.

[Major Hogwash]

97. Reagan is a dead Republican!

Great example of just how stupid your posts on this forum are!!

[MonkeyFunk]

135. No

your reply is an example of pure stupidity.

It was argued that because Obama was poor as a child, he must reflect democratic values. I pointed out the fallacy in that argument. You replied with a complete non sequitor.

I think it's funny when people get so snippy while being entirely wrong.

[rodeodance]

31. did you ever read What's the matter with Kansas??

[Major Hogwash]

95. I don't respond to your posts, rodeodance.

Because you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Poll_Blind]

18. WHO CARES!?! The alternative is McCain. If they can't figure out what's good for them...

...then FUCK 'EM!!! Goddamned babies!



PB

[Mags]

38. Your attitude is excactly why a lot of Hillary folk would never got for your guy.

[Window]

48. What would you have us do, kiss your ass in a revolving door?

Vote, don't vote...it's your country, too.

[Mags]

51. I'm not asking you or anyone to do anything. vote for your guy, I don't care

I do have an opinion and I can vote for who I wish.

[Poll_Blind]

49. You get banned, then reinstated and start moralizing? YOU?

:eyes:

PB

[Mags]

50. How did I get ack on so quick, unless a mistake was made?

[redqueen]

154. So you got banned by mistake?

You didn't appeal and apologize for something?

[Texasgal]

69. Well that's dumb!

If you are going to gauge who you vote for by what some nameless, faceless person says on an Internet chat board you have some SERIOUS issues. REALLY.

[Mags]

72. Hey, I would never let folk like you make my decision on anything. Don"t worry.

[Texasgal]

83. Well that's good...

especially since you said:

"Your attitude is excactly why a lot of Hillary folk would never got for your guy."

Hey... you posted that! :shrug:

[Mags]

91. hey, I could care less about who you vote for the Pied Piper has called

and you folk have followed, more power to ya.

[Texasgal]

101. You know.. I have just realized

That I am talking to a 10 year old. :eyes:

You OBVIOUSLY do not give a shit about our country.. you are basing your vote on your widdle hurt feelings.

*sigh* People like you disgust me...old enough to vote but too fucking stupid to care.

While this over 40 year old female is out busting my ass canvassing and phone banking to get a DEMOCRAT in office you'll be sucking your fucking baby bottle and pissing on an internet chat board.

Gee... I feel good about our future. :eyes:

[Mags]

107. You sound so bitter, I have been sending money to Hillary, going

to Indy, will go to Ky and Va. to help her out. good for your 40 yr old ass, keep going,but that doesn't mean I support your or your cause. You folk come across so better then anyone else. You will have a hard time making in the real world of politics. You don't have to advertise or brag about your involvement, you should do it for a cause your really love.
What make you so much better because you have been out for BHO. Hillary is the one I want and I think you folk are sooooooooo imature to see that her supporters have been working for way before BHO gave his one and only speech at the Dem . convention. You know the one he gave and then right after lied about running for President. Yeah, you have to remember the first lie he told.So innocent, so pure, so precious and inmature.

[Texasgal]

118. Geez LOUISE!

YOU are an Idiot!

[madwivoter]

156. Hey Mags, it doesn't sound to me like your vote would be available to Obama anyway

What exactly is the purpose of your question? :shrug:

I think it's insulting of you to think that anyone here (or anywhere for that matter) would automatically fall in line with anything don't you think?

I'm curious, what would you need to hear/read/see to switch your vote to Obama?

[greguganus]

138. Yeah, decide the future of the country on anonymous internet posters. n/t

[AllentownJake]

19. Hello

Obama has the nomination.

You have a choice to make. None of us are going to convince you. If you want President McCain. It's your vote. I'm not going to try to stop you.

Fighting on here is like re-fighting the civil war.

This primary season is over.

[Mags]

39. sorry, it ain't over til the superdelegates speak. I was just asking a question.

guess that is too hard for you folk.

[AllentownJake]

42. Its over.

Deal

[Mags]

53. No deal, it ain't over yet.

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. It is over... and the huge insiders are already blowing the whistle

(Feinstein, Shumer, McGovern, Clark)

She needs oh 75% victories from here on out

She is 11 million in the hole

It is over by any objective account.

And no, I am not an Obama supporter...

Also if you listen CAREFULLY to what the campaign is saying, the seeds of preparing the base for the exit left are there.

But it is over...

Now on to the GE.

[Bensthename]

22. He should tell them voting for McCain or no vote represents supporting this war and

economy, HC, education, foreign relations, etc. the way it is. They should look out for themselves too.

[Shakespeare]

23. Clinton supporters have ALWAYS been welcome in the Obama campaign.

Just as we Edwards supporters were and are. One thing I've admired about Obama's campaign as I've been fence-sitting is that it consistently aimed to be inclusive. I really don't see what obstacles there are in that regard.

[grannylib]

26. I think he will make himself known to them in a way that connects;

I would also hope that they would take Senator Clinton's tone on that score and work their butts off for whomever the nominee happens to be.
I think most Americans really are smart enough to realize that politicians DO sometimes say things during a campaign that are maybe more pointed or "spun" than they would be under other circumstances. If she supports him and campaigns for him and woes her supporters for him by painting an honest picture of him, I think they'll be won over.

[Asgaya Dihi]

28. Because of the party, no.

Because of the Supreme Court, the war, the economy and everything else that is at risk under McCain combined with the fact that he won fair and square and that's the way these things are supposed to work, I'd hope so.

If not I hope they can live with the risk and the cost of the gesture. Whatever they think of some of Obamas supporters he hasn't done a bad job himself of trying to stay above it all, with a lot of people I don't think it's really him they have reason to be pissed at. It's more a combination of some of his supporters and disappointment that long held dreams failed. That I can understand, but there's little point in making another generation pay for it.

[Liberal Veteran]

29. It isn't as if he stole something that was rightly Hillary's.

To the victor goes the spoils. He and Hillary are hardly so far apart on issues that McCain would seem the better option, so essentially, he just needs to remind people what's at stake, lay out his case, and beat the shit of the republics.

[Sander]

32. If? If? If?

It is all over. Obama is our presumptive nominee. Time to get on his bandwagon to defeat McSame.

Yes, for the most part, I do believe Hillary supporters will fall in line, but not because of the "party," but because they believe in our Country and will not stand for a third Bush term. If they want their votes to count, they have only two options, Barack Obama or John McSame. A dedicated progressive who believes in the common man, freedom, justice, and sane government OR an ignorant pandering old man who can't remember his position on issues one day to the next.

[Renew Deal]

33. Hillary will ask Hillary supporters to fall in line.

And you will.

[Mags]

35. what a joke, I will vote for Hillary, but I do not do what others tell me to.

I love her , but she can't tell me who to vote for and If anyone tries, I usually get very stubborn

[jillan]

52. Amen!!

If Biden would have come out and endorsed Obama, I still would have been a Hillary supporter...
and Biden was my perfect candidate.

Guess some of us have our own minds, huh?

[Blue-Jay]

63. So....what then? You want your ass kissed?

I ain't lining up for that.

[Mags]

65. get real , no one is asking you for anything.

[greguganus]

141. Can we at least see her ass before we decide if we want to kiss it? n/t

[Liberal Veteran]

36. Simple. Concise. Accurate. +1

:yourock:

[Straight Shooter]

47. "And you will."

Is that the sound of booming thunder I hear in the background at your decree?

[Renew Deal]

59. lol

Just having a little fun. O8)

[kitfalbo]

34. um.

If Clinton won the nomination she couldn't get all the Clinton supporters as some would move back to voting for McCain.

List of ones that won't support BO

1. Clinton supporters who honestly switched parties to vote for her and prefer McCain to BO.(small part)
2. Racists. Those who will never consider voting for a black or even half/black man reguardless of his policy issues.
3.Those that don't like people who sound smart, I've yet to see Obama talk at a lower level. His stuttering not counting.
4.Those turned off by the preachy nature of some of his speaks, possibly having scars from church like I almost had.
5. Those that feel personally offended by the fact that Clinton was defeated or insulted in a fair political match, Because she was their candidate and are too angry to let go.

I'm sure I might be missing some groups, but as for a percentage. Who the hell knows, and will it even matter in the end.

I think the bigger issue is MSM's lack of coverage on McCain and when they do it's only Positive news for the most part.

[ecdab]

37. Policy differences with McCain. Assuming they vote on policy issues.

Why wouldn't they back Obama is a far better question, and one I can not answer.

[Egnever]

40. By cointrasting himself with mcain

If the hill suporters dont see the difference and hold onto grudges in spite of those vast diferences well i guess he will have to do it without your support.

Not to worry we have allready shown that our support is unwavering despite her highnesses full frontal assualt and the msm's non stop bashing of obama over the past three weeks.

Get on board or get the fuck out I no longer care what you do.

[Mags]

76. thanks , I feel so free now, you have given me an out.

[nichomachus]

41. Well if the Clinton supporters are opposed to Roe v Wade,

they might go somewhere else.

If they sit on their hands or vote McSame, they will lose Roe, Social Security, Medicare, welfare, SSI, Medicaid, minimum wage, along with a host of other things the fascists have their eyes on.

If they do that, then I would think a whole lot less of the Clinton campaign.

I didn't get the impression that Hillary's supporters were anti-choice right-wingers.

[BeatleBoot]

43. Go ask Ronald Reagan that question.

His answer would be: "49 to 1"

[dogday]

44. Stop calling them Bubbas and Racist if you want to pull them

to your side... I would never call Obama supporters names, nor would I do that to Clinton supporters.. Both of these candidates are Democrats whether people want to acknowledge that fact is something else.. I refuse to label and call names at people because of who they support....

[Mags]

70. where do you get the bubba thing in theOP?

[dogday]

104. Not from the OP, rather just from the many posts I have

read in this forum... good to see you back btw.... :hi:

[Forkboy]

45. It's up to the Clinton supporters, not the other way around..

You're an adult. Make up your own mind based on the information available. If you choose McCain that's up to you. The party isn't, and shouldn't be, your hostage.

[Mags]

71. I agree with you.

[dogday]

105. I actually think both camps need to come together.. One extends the

hand, the other takes it.. It will take the effort of both of these campaigns to bring Democrats together to win the GE....

[bowens43]

46. No, I fully expect them to put McCain into the oval office.

We have seen how hillary and her supporters hhave conducted themselves throughout this campaign. I'm absolutely certain that they will work to ensure that Obama loses the GE so that hillary gets another shot in 2012. We don't owe you anything and we don't need to pander to you. Vote for your conscious.

[grassfed]

54. Hillary's people are pro-war, pro-torture - McCain's perfect for them

Hillary
YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take illegal military action against Iran (fool me once).
NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
YES on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
Hillary refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge

McCain
YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take illegal military action against Iran.
NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
YES on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
McCain refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge

[philk17088]

55. Why not?

It would be ridiculous for Hillarites to not support Obama.
Eventually they will see that this is bigger tahn your bruised egos and the country is at stake.

[Tribetime]

56. I hope people would vote on the issues that will matter to kids

our soldiers, our poor, our sick, before they vote on who they like. I know I have been with Obama but would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat over McCain or any republican.


My answer is no, I don't expect anyone to fall in lineand vote Obama. I know there are very strong feelings for her, and I don't expect that to go away.

[TragedyandHope]

57. Once Clinton formally conceeds, I think he will make a significant effort to win her supporters over

Hillary supporters are the KEY to the election. The sooner we all realize that and start acting accordingly, the better.

I also think that once we make it through the period of pain and adjustment and shift gears to focus on the General Election, many Hillary supporters will take a second look at Barack's positions on the issues. A sober look at McCain will also convince many people that it is absolutely essential to put a Democrat into the White House this year.

[billyoc]

58. Yes. nt

[nyccitizen]

60. Let's face it...

The easiest way is to put her on the ticket.

[Poll_Blind]

61. "IF" he gets the nomination? The GALL!

  You need to wake up and get with the program. As Mr. Clinton says: "...in primaries you fall in love; in general elections, you fall in line."

  It's over. You and Hillary are no longer going to the White House. It's just NOT going to happen, no matter how badly you want it to.

PB

[Mags]

67. I don't fall in line with anybody, I guess the BO kids may, but I

really do have a mind of my own. Hillary nor Bo can make vote for anyone I do not want to vote for.

[auburngrad82]

136. So if it's Obama vs McCain, how will you vote?

Just curious. If Hillary asks you to support the Democratic candidate but you won't listen to her, how will you vote?

[Name removed]

62. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Mags]

77. explain why you think I am a troll. Please.

[Hawkeye-X]

88. Because you were inciting people, and not a lot of us liked you.

I was quite surprised when you were returned.

However, take from my own experience, I was returned after being banned during the '04 primaries, I sat it through the end of '04 GE, before I requested my priveleges back. I broke the rules and have gone too far as a Deaniac, but only gave mild support to Kerry.

I intend to 100% backing of Obama this primary and in the GE, and I have already done my part - $100 has donated to Obama. Have you contributed anything to Obama or to the blackhole you call Hillary?

Hawkeye-X

[Mags]

93. so what you are saying, people have to like you or you can't be

on DU, We can't have a different opinion or we are banned? I have given Hillary all that I can legally.

[PassingFair]

99. Thanks, HawkeyeX!!!!

I thought I was going INSANE.

I saw it get banned last night, and
here it is, back the very next night...

WTF?

Thank you for pointing this out.

:hi:

[anigbrowl]

108. Two words: repetitive flamebait.

You asked, that's my opinion. I certainly want the Obama campaign to connect with regular Hillary supporters, and have no difficulty in talking to them in real life or on various internet forums. But there's a small number of who we'll never capture - maybe 10 or 15 fanatic DUers, and those people at Hillaryis44 who say they'd rather vote McCain etc.

I think these haters make up only a tiny percentage of Clinton supporters, and have little bearing on the outcome. So now you know.

[Texasgal]

64. They should.

Unless we want 4 more years of heartache.

This is not a popularity contest! The future of our country is at stake!

I was an Edwards gal and now an Obama supporter. If Hillary wins the nom you BET I'll be supporting her and voting for her!

It's actually very a very easy quandry. I am a democrat first, a supporter second.

[Pietrogustapov]

66. Polls suggest Clinton supporters will support Obama

Obama leads McCain in all polls right now. If Clinton supporters were planning to desert him, he would be down.

[MonkeyFunk]

68. You won't get many serious responses here

people here don't care. They live in an imaginary world where Obama is wildly popular, and Clinton is universally hated, even though they're both equally popular.

They live in a world where Obama can win without any help from Clinton supporters.

They live in a hate-fueled fantasy world.

[Mags]

79. you are so right, name calling and trash is all they have.

don't know why they are so full of hate, their guy is winning right now, you would think that would soften them, guess they need soooooooooooo much to fill that emptiness.

[yewberry]

132. This is why you won't get many serious answers.

Your post says it all.

There are many Obama supporters here at DU who are perfectly nice, rational people. There are many Clinton supporters here at DU who are perfectly nice, rational people. Most of us aren't looking to brawl or call each other names. However, there is a segment of each side that baits, calls names, and smears the 'other side.'

YOU have over time made your beliefs about Obama supporters clear. You think we're hateful, stupid, hard, empty, etc. Why should anyone who isn't looking for a fight answer you? YOU HATE US and you've made that clear.

For people like me, who would support either candidate in the GE but who supports Obama as the nominee, your OP is not an invitation for rational discussion. Many of us want to have that discussion, but some don't. You're still spoiling for a fight, and it shows.

So, in case you were wondering why you might not get a lot of dispassionate, thoughtful answers, that's probably why. Your contempt is obvious. Why waste my breath?

[cottonseed]

74. That's a good question. What is your suggestion?

I think some input from you would be great. I'm not a policy guy, so I'm not exactly sure how to go about it. I'm wondering if you can help get us started.

[LucyParsons]

75. Seeing this 24/7 for the next six months:

[nadinbrzezinski]

78. Most will

reality is some will cross, some will seat this out

But I beleive most will

But we need for this shit to stop, so they have time to heal

And I might add... the campaign is starting to give signals it will bow out

And... her high power supporters are also sending strong signals that it is time (Read Feinstein, McGovern and others)

[Secret_Society]

80. VP

I think that would be a dynamite ticket and a huge electoral victory.

[I. J. Reilly]

82. Hillary supporters

Presumably the ones who care enough to frequent this site will fall in line--the alternative is disastrous for the country. The rest of the Hillary supporters will not automatically fall in line. They will need to be reminded of the consequences of a McCain presidency (Iraq, the economy, health care reform, the environment, the Supreme Court, etc.).

The racists are automatically written off. The rest will need to be convinced by hard work on all of OUR part--not just the nominee's. I think it will help that McCain looks like a doddering, confused, hot head. Combine that with his Bush-like agenda, and the Hillary supporters will have some pretty compelling reasons to fall in line.

[Zomby Woof]

84. No one has to 'pull' me in

I am a partisan Democrat who always gets behind the nominee. It's not a matter of 'getting in line'; it's just what is needed to win. It's about winning, it has always been about winning, and will always be about winning. Then it comes time to govern, argue, compromise, judge, obfuscate, badger, pander, spin, and maybe... govern some more. I want to win this, goddammit, and if that means supporting Senator Obama, or the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, as long as he or she has a "D" in front of their name, I am there, in the ballot booth, ready to push the pin/lever/touch-pad that casts (hopefully, Diebold willing) my VOTE.

Just because Obama was not my choice, and despite the considerable misgivings I have about him, never would these even remotely be factors in negating my support.

We're talking about a choice to go against John McFuckingCain, who is an obsequious, deranged, clinically insane asscreep. He isn't fit to be elected president of his tiger cage reunion committee.

Democracy is beautiful and ugly and frustrating and exhilirating. It's not for the timid, weak, or pure.

By the time the conventions are over, I will be defending Obama to the hilt, with a full frontal assault on that pseudo-maverick diseased warmonkey the Republicans are propping up.

[last_texas_dem]

85. Wait... I thought Clinton supporters were "real Democrats" and the "Democratic base"

and it was all those Obama-supporting upstarts who were fickle and unpredictable and whatnot?

Do I think they will automatically fall in line because of the party? If they're real Democrats, yes. Otherwise, if they have the ability to actually look at the positions of Clinton, Obama, and McCain and see how much different McCain is on the issues from Clinton and Obama, yes. However, the latter assumption is definitely giving "swing" voters too much credit, I know.

[shadowknows69]

86. Yeah, that's what supposed to happen after the primary

Please stop voting altogether if you don't understand even the basics of our political system.

[merh]

92. It is not about the Hillary supporters or HIllary or the Obama

supporters or Obama, it is about taking back the White House, it is about putting a dem in the White House and making sure that no more ubber conservatives are appointed the SCOTUS.

It is about the nation - what will you do for the nation?

[FlyingSquirrel]

94. Ever look at the polls comparing each of them to McCain?

Apparently they both poll nearly equally against him. So it would appear that either candidate would gain supporters from the other. Everything else is hyperbole.

[QC]

98. He will have to rely on the graciousness and kindness of his followers. n/t

[reflection]

100. He will appeal to them with the same message

I doubt he will change it at this point. This will force Clinton supporters to think outside their comfort zone.

Some will vote party regardless. As for the others, he will peel off a percentage. Senator Clinton will be able to help tremendously in this aspect, and I think she will once she's achieved whatever the hell her eventual goal is.

[Hippo_Tron]

103. Mags, what answer are you looking for?

For one, Obama isn't the same as his supporters on an anonymous internet forum. I assume that you have the maturity to not cast your vote based on what they say.

Secondly, Obama is very close to Clinton on most major issues. I don't see why most of her supporters would not support the candidate that is very closest to her on the issues.

[Jed Dilligan]

106. When I first wandered into GDP,

I ran into a couple of Clinton supporters who were really vile without much provocation. They were tag-teaming me and twisting up my words and posting pictures of ambulances and crying babies. I was a Kucinich person and that was the day he quit. I asked them why I should support a candidate whose supporters acted like that. They posted more pictures of crying babies.

I never went so far as to suggest I wouldn't vote for her if she won it, but it was only two steps from that "discussion" to me supporting Obama. I guess each person is an individual and will tolerate what he or she will tolerate. If you hate Obama so much that you would rather tolerate President McCain, I think your days on this board are probably numbered.

[walldude]

109. Why don't you tell us..

If there is something Obama has done that is so bad that you'd rather vote for McCain I'd like to hear what it is...

[Mags]

112. what part of the question did you not understand?

[walldude]

113. I fully understood the question but you, a Hillary supporter

are asking Obama supporters what he needs to do to win you over. I don't know what he needs to do to win you over, you need to tell us instead of just sniping at people. If you are serious about your question and it's not just flame bait then the only answer can come from you. I support Obama which means we don't think anything alike. How the hell am I supposed to know what's going on in your mind?

If Hillary supporters are demanding Obama do something to win them over then you need to tell us what it is. Otherwise this is just more flame bait.

[Mags]

114. sorry, I didn't mean anything bad about him I am just trying

to get an idea about why he is the proven candidate. I am not demanding anything, I just don't get where he and his supporters are coming from. Guess that is because I am the typical angry white woman, and I don't know how to get over the Label.

[walldude]

116. Same thing from my end, I don't get why people like Hillary

better than Obama. Not much will change my mind but that doesn't mean I'm going to vote for Mc100yearwar... You don't need to get over your label, people chose the person they thought would best serve their interests as President. You chose Hillary, I chose Obama, if it comes down to Hillary and McCain she is the obvious choice. As I would hope it would be for Obama and McCain. I believe the "I won't vote for" people are mostly trolls, most lont time DU'ers will vote for the Dem, even if they have to hold their nose to do it..

[merh]

123. you aren't looking for answers or discussion

you are looking for a fight and for ways to continue to make yourself feel better by trashing Obama.

It's really sad, but it is not a surprise.

What will you do at DU when attacks on the dem nominee are no longer allowed? How will you spend your time?

[U4ikLefty]

125. They will again be banned, I suspect.

[Telly Savalas]

127. Why do you think McCain would make a better president than Obama?

[RBInMaine]

110. No, he needs to WORK for them, and perhaps have HRC on the ticket.

[SanchoPanza]

111. Easy.

An endorsement from Sen. Clinton.

[jeffrey_X]

115. Just look at what McCain will do with the supreme court.

enough said.

[quantass]

117. Answer: TIME

Hillary supporters are understandably upset but as time passes and these feelings subside i believe they will give Obama another look and think about the greater good of this country. Hillary, herself, will also be promoting Obama and bringing warmth into her supporters and allowing them the freedom to feel a sense of accomplishment by seeing Obama as a conintuance of Hillary against McCain. So, give it time!

[madrchsod]

119. it`s ---our party ----not hillary`s or obama`s

why would`t they fall in line-it`s their party.

[McCamy Taylor]

121. Clinton as the VP--it is very easy. Or someone just like Clinton as the VP.

Bu he has to be very careful not to have a Thomas Eagleton effect.

One of the young Kennedy's like RFK Jr would be good. That would grab up the Catholic and solid Democrat vote. Jim Webb would work. I think Gov. Janet Napolitano is good if he wants to get the Catholics and the women.

[U4ikLefty]

122. If Hillary supporters don't vote Dem in the General, then they weren't Dems

to begin with.

They have MANY reasons to avoid 4 years of McPain.

[madmunchie]

124. By putting on a blonde wig and yelling "Yes we will!"????

[MrSlayer]

126. By being the Democratic nominee.

If you are a Democrat you will vote for the nominee. If you do not, you are not a Democrat. Quite simple. If you can't see how disastrous a McCain Presidency would be you're a fool. If you refuse to vote because your candidate lost, you're a selfish fool. I would think that McCain's threat to end Roe vs. Wade should shake Clinton supporters out of their vapid state. There is a lot more at stake here than hurt feelings.

[ORDem]

128. They'll have McSame's picture seared into their brains by November. Please don't

pretend that they are going to sit home (if they say that remind them of the thousands of dead in two wars we're fighting and ask them if their petty egos are worth that), or mark a ballot for a Bush third term. The primary is nearly over and we have months to lick wounds and pretended offenses and get our eyes back on the target.

:dem:

[Lord Helmet]

129. would you like a pony?

[Colobo]

131. Obama>>>>>>>>McCain.

[Gore1FL]

133. I'm thinking

Hillary supporters aren't stupid.

Do you disagree?

[grantcart]

134. pay their gas tax for 3 months

[PatGund]

142. It depends.....

If someone is a real Democrat, concerned about this country and the direction it's going, then I believe that those who supported Sen. Clinton will vote for Sen. Obama.

If someone is a spoiled brat willing to throw tantrums and either not vote for vote for Sen. McCain to "punish" the US or the Democratic party because their choice isn't on the ballot, then I'm sure they'll throw their fit and hold their breath until they turn blue in November.

Personally, I don't think the Democratic party has enough of the Veruca Salt types to do that though.

[ccharles000]

144. I will vote for who ever the nominee is.

Conform and be dull.-J. Frank Doble

[Justitia]

145. I have no idea. They don't seem nearly as loyal to the party as the rest of us. It's a mystery.

They are certainly devoted to Hillary Clinton, the rest...not so much.

Do they go Republican when she's gone, out of spite?

Honestly, it looks that way from here.

So, to sum it up - I have no idea how you win over people in that kind of mindset.

edit: I should really clarify my remarks - I mean the tenacious, die-hard, Hillary boosters we read here on DU, like the author of the thread.

NOT THE MAJORITY OF CLINTON SUPPORTERS EITHER IN REAL LIFE OR DU.

[karynnj]

146. By reaching out after the heat of battle is over - probably with her help

Here is what I wrote when speaking of the Edwards' supporters - I left it completely the same to show that it is completely the same case for HRC supporters.

To win in November, we will need all the Democrats united. The fact is that where the Republicans actually fractured on issues, we fractured more on personalities and perceived electibility - and very small differences on issues. We also have the majority of the country with us on every issue except the war on terrorism - which strong speeches linking to the fact that many conservatives now see that the Kerry 2004 position was correct - could change. (For support on that: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5877337&mesg_id=5883247
Every Democrat wants:

- A serious health insurance plan affordable and available to everyone. There are differences in the plans, but I would wager that if it were possible (in a sci-fi like way) to look down the path with each 2008 candidate and see the plan Congress would send up for signature - there might be little or no difference. The other similarity is that any Democrat would sign it and McCain won't. (In fact, it was when Bush vetoed the S Chip expansion that I knew that if it came down to HRC, I would vote for her - because no matter what misgivings I had (and they were many) she would have signed, not vetoed it.

- On Iraq, the contrast between McCain and Obama is stark. Obama is not for permanent bases and sees the long term occupation that we've already had as counterproductive. The question there is - who is he listening to? Who would be more likely do do what Edwards supporters want?

- On global warming, McCain is one of the few Republicans with a serious record on this - but he has yet to join the bipartisan coalition that is forming around the first cap and trade bill. That bill is weaker than what Boxer or Kerry proposed, but getting ANY cap and trade bill passed starts to put a price on pollution. Looking at what happened with the clean air act that worked on sulfur emissions, technology moved faster than mandated. (Think of it - if you were a CEO of a power plant would you pay say 10% more to retrofit to the 10 year out standards or do just what was needed for the next year and incur costs every year to change to meet criteria?) Even Bush was pushed to negotiate at Bali (Nice hearings of SFRC on Bali if interested - http://www.senate.gov/~foreign/hearings/2008/hrg080124p.html and http://www.kerryvision.net/2008/04/in_defense_of_treehuggers.html#comments

- economy - It is hard to get a bigger contrast that there is between McCain and Edwards on economic issues. McCain, who on many issues is a Republican moderate, is a true Goldwater conservative on economic issues. This is the area where libertarians, with us on civil rights and many social issues, are 100% against us. McCain - acting out of his truest beliefs - will not take an FDR type approach to the deep economic difficulties. There is a part of him that honestly sees nothing wrong with his view on the home foreclosure issue. Obama, on the other hand, personally worked on the South Side of Chicago to help people, who lost jobs when the steel industry downsized, use the Government programs.

This is not to say that the Edwards people (likewise HRC people) won't have moments seeing Obama on the stage in Denver when they won't have pangs of regret that it is not Edwards, surrounded by Elizabeth and their kids. I know - that especially as things hit bumps - I wish that Kerry would have run and been the one standing there. I feel this, even as there is NO stronger Obama surrogate than Kerry. But, just as Kerry's strong endorsement and reassurances make me more comfortable - for the people who trusted Edwards as I do Kerry, his backing once Obama is the nominee could do the same thing.

[rucky]

147. Would you like a foot massage?

A cheesburger?

Better yet, just tell us what you think would be appropriate, because I have no idea what your expectations are.

[DS1]

150. Either you go black, or you're not welcome back

Howz dat?

[redqueen]

151. Because of their values?

Pro-choice

End the Iraq war ASAP

Redouble our efforts in Afghanistan

etc.

[EFerrari]

152. He won't pull Clinton supporters.

He'll pull Democrats that want a Democrat in the White House.

[invictus]

155. Clinton supporters should not overestimate their importance.

Obama has the broadest appeal across party lines I have ever seen in politician since Reagan. Obama will win with progressives and independents. He doesn't need the neo-con vote. Obama finances his campaign with small donations from ordinary people does not take money from PACs. The neo-cons, corporatists, lobbyists who form the Clinton family's base are not needed for Obama to win.