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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:56 PM
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Is Hillary Staying in BECAUSE She Is A Woman???

I think Hillary being the first legit woman Presidential candidate is ground-breaking.

But does that make it harder to give up?

She held a fundraiser tonight before an all female audience. And she mentioned (paraphrasing) that she wanted to show that women/girls could grow up to do anything?

In a weird way, is sexism forcing Hillary to stay in the race?

Plenty of male candidates have dropped out (honorably) when they faced the impossible math to the nomination that Clinton now faces.

But do you think dropping out is more difficult, being the first viable female presidential candidate?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:58 PM
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1. No.
I think Hillary is staying because she's Hillary. She's a very determined individual who will not take no for an answer.
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 09:59 PM
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2. And the last thing we need is
another unreasonable leader who doesn't listen to the will of the people.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:04 PM
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6. I agree. She is not exactly what I need, and I'm a woman
I need a human being that is not going to kowtow to corporate interests at every turn and will have the interests of the ordinary people at heart. I need someone that will MOTIVATE young people!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:17 PM
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16. I'm a woman and I want a woman President that sets
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:18 PM by goclark
an example for other women.

One that will be a sterling example for all young women in the future.

I want a woman President/man President that I can judge for "the content of her/his character."

That is a BAR that Hillary Clinton has not reached for me.

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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:00 PM
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3. She's in because she understands the Obama Train Wreck that's about to ensue.
And it will ensue.

Trust me.

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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:03 PM
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5. Shouldn;t she be cleaning up the train wreck
that is her campaign?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:09 PM
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8. Details? Psychic predictions?
Just wondering.
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:16 PM
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15. Ahhh, Delusional on Day One. nt
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:22 PM
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17. Two months ago you said Rezko would sink Obama
How's that prediction working out for you?
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aging like wine Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:02 PM
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4. Ted Kennedy didn't give up
When he ran for president and failed to win. And he wasn't a woman.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:10 PM
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9. Ronald Reagan Didn't Give Up in 1976....
But that was a long time ago when conventions were still conventions. Today they are 4 day TV commercials. Everyone understand that a convention fight leads to a loss in November.

In my view being the first viable woman candidate DOES MAKE IT more difficult to drop out before the end of the process.


I'm not saying it's fair. I'm not saying I agree with it. But I think it is a factor in her decision to continue even against daunting, impossible odds.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:04 PM
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7. No she's staying because she is a Clinton. Marriage does have benefits.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:12 PM
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10. You sound like Paul Harvey
Edited on Wed May-07-08 10:21 PM by texastoast
His program today reflected on Edith Wilson, wife of Woodrow Wilson, who carried out the duties of the presidency when Woodrow had a stroke. Harvey said that even if Clinton was the new pres, she wouldn't be the first woman president.

In other words, he worked very hard to diminish Hillary's efforts.

As a married woman.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:19 PM
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24. I don't know about all that. My statement is not intended to belittle Hillary's
accomplishments in her own right. But there are many candidates (fellow Senators even) just as accomplished as Hillary AND THEY'RE GONE!!!! What makes her different? She's a former First Lady married to a man who is a democratic party institution. They are members of the elite establishment. That's why. The party elite is indulging them.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:12 PM
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11. She's sticking in because she knows she's the only one who can beat McCain
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:25 PM
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18. Rubbish. n/t
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:13 PM
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12. There will be a woman President.
We have more talent in the party right now and its going to grow.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:32 PM
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20. Yep - several governors are likely future leaders of the country
Hillary's done a lot to improve the cause of women in politics. Losing to a stronger candidate is no shame.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:14 PM
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13. NO. She's staying in because she's THAT woman
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:27 PM
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19. No silly,
That's Marlo Thomas all grown up!
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:15 PM
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14. It's like "Why did we really invade Iraq?" - The great riddle.
My conspiracy theory is...

Clinton is staying in for the same REASON that we're in Iraq and threatening Iran.

Answer one, you've answered both.

The same Media that shoved justifications for the Iraq War down our throats... has attempted to do the same with HRC.

... coincidence?

probably :rofl:
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:54 PM
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21. Hillary is staying in because ANYTHING can happen between
now and the convention for the presumed candidate and if she drops out of the race there may be hell to pay.

Good grief! Don't take it personally, people. Staying in the race is the PRACTICAL thing for Sen. Clinton to do, just in case!
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stewie502 Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:12 PM
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22. I don't think so
I think its because the race is pretty close and things COULD turn around without us knowing. Plus I don't really need a women president to show me I can be anything because I already know I can be anything.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:15 PM
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23. No, HRC is staying because she's "a Clinton" and believes she's American Political ROYALTY.
:eyes:
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:22 PM
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25. No. She's staying in because she's an egotistical narcisstic selfish war mongering DINO. n/t
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:16 AM
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26. not true
Dennis Kucinich, Ted Kennedy, Jesse Jackson, Jerry Brown all faced "impossible math." Of all of the candidates who have not dropped out over the years before the convention, I think Clinton's numbers are probably the best of any of them.

I can't see how gender plays any role in this. Interesting reverse on a reverse on a reverse, though.

It is "arithmetic" anyway, isn't it, and not "math?"
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:22 AM
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28. Staying In
Hillary is staying in the race because it isn't over.

She's staying in the race because if women had given up in the past when things looked impossible we would still not have the right to vote. Determination is the only thing that women had going for them for years and years. And it isn't so very much different today, sadly.

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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:40 AM
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29. many male candidates have stayed in
Many men have stayed in the race until the convention over the years when there was little chance for them to win. No one screamed that they were destroying the party, or selfish, or that it was all about me me me, or that they were insane, or obsessed, or evil, or unstable or any of the rest of the stuff people are saying about Clinton.

For some reason, people feel free to trash out Clinton and bully Clinton supporters in ways I never saw anyone do when it was a male candidate in the race.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:18 AM
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27. Ok, look, here's a residual welcome to DU which comes with a
recommendation to be a keener observer of the scene.

She's staying in, despite having obviously lost the nomination some time ago and especially last night, because she's an egomaniac.

It's all about her.

It's ALWAYS been about her.

Me Me Me Me Me Me Me.

Jesus.
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