Hillary Clinton=Pat Buchanan. Two racists in the same racist pod

[geek tragedy]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

Yes, those hard-working white people.

One more month with her on the national stage, and then she's not our problem ever again.

[FrenchieCat]

1. What she is doing is devastating. The saddest thing is that she has

NO shame. Does she really think she's doing anyone any favors with her bullshit?

She has no legacy. She is bankrupt!

[NewHampshireDem]

2. God bless us!

White, hard working Americans, who make this country great!

/sarcasm

Someone please make her stop, before she's got nothing left.

[roguevalley]

46. she has the code words down pat. I remember Jim Crow. You say

what you say in couched words. The meaning is clear and she should be ashamed.

[LizW]

3. Nice unity post. n/t

[geek tragedy]

No unity with racist demagogues. n/t

[NoFederales]

45. This IS the Clinton Mystique, eh? Promote fear, racism, and a host of

cultural taboos--for what? For Clinton "fulfillment", whatever goddamned messed up shit that is, the Public doesn't need it, and we don't owe her ANYTHING!

I am sick of hearing about the Clintons, of their "messages"--it is rabid and wrong.

NoFederales

[Colobo]

4. Hillary knows it's over. She should refrain from damaging the nominee.

[cottonseed]

5. Maybe she'll start toning it down tomorrow.

:eyes:


This is why I think the 'come together' posts have to wait. Hillary has to lead this thing. Until she does, there will be no party unity.

[genna]

39. If you think Hillary stands for UNITY after this election season, then you have not read the SUBTEXT

[mudesi]

6. I wonder if the media will talk about this for 7 days straight

If the "bitter" remark was eligible, certainly this ought to be.

[cliffordu]

7. I'd like to say I'm surprised....but I'm really not. Horrified, but

not surprised.

She has got to go.

[ShortnFiery]

8. Don't forget to add Bubba Clinton and his back of the picky-up truck, "Dukes of Hazard"

tour of all the lovely rural white supremacist enclaves? ... coming NOW to WV. :grr: :nuke:

[MrRobotsHolyOrders]

9. Hillary does race relations

1) Create perception of racial gap by constantly insinuating existence of racial gap.
2) Play to prejudices of those that would create a racial gap.
3) Win states with large pockets of racist denizens, declare Obama unelectable due to racial gap which she helped stoke.
4) Lose anyway.

[genna]

38. Giving me hope that there will be unity of some sort

I have watched this primary in growing horror in terms of the Democratic party's racial politics. Andrew Sullivan said something like it was African Americans took this nomination away from her.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/black-voters-di.html

"Here's what now seems obvious: African-American voters killed the Clinton candidacy. It is a fitting end to the Clintons' campaign and an almost Shakespearean coda to their career. The Clintons were exposed in their long-running exploitation and reliance on minority votes. No group was more loyal to them than African-Americans; and in the end, like everyone else, African-Americans realized that the Clintons are frauds, disloyal to the core, cynical to their finger-tips, and finally, finally, returned the favor."

I don't think that is entirely true. There have been white voters across the country that have continued to vote for Obama. The entire black populaton could not have raised up Obama because African American numbers are not HIGH ENOUGH to do it by ourselves.

I read this article. The media is not mainstream enough to question her on her tactics. What part of using race as a wedge does she and her supporters NOT GET?

Clinton rejected any idea that her emphasis on white voters could be interpreted as racially divisive. "These are the people you have to win if you're a Democrat in sufficient numbers to actually win the election. Everybody knows that."

By singling out downscale voters suggesting that they matter over and above EVERYONE ELSE including 'brie and cheese eating''Starbucks coffee drinkers' 'ELITES!', she is appealing to a historic divide among Americans. I have no problem with people pointing out that African Americans are different, but not inferior. Whatever? But I do have a problem with someone appealing to those inclined to hate, by saying you matter more than everyone else and they are trying to STEAL this election from you.

It is either us or them. You are with us or against us. I don't know how a politicians appeals to our worst nature as Americans, act like they don't understand their complicity, and say with a straight face "I am the best one to lead America."

1940s America, yes.
1950s America, yes.
1960s America, yes. if you are Bull Connor sure.
1970s America, no Civil Rights has passed and it is understood that the changes are too new.
1980s America, Reagan with his "it's morning in America" and Bush with his 1000 points of light yes.
1990s America, no I believed Bill Clinton's administration did not stand for separate and unequal.
2000s America, no 1) Bush has done better with AIDS in the south corners of Africa than any other president. 2) I don't believe that Bush has singled out African Americans and intentionally treated us any differently than the entire population. We have all been kicked and trashed. Bush has generally been an equal opportunity offender with all groups. When he made fun of right leaning Christian fundamentalist, I knew he was completely self focused on the have more...s. 3) The black baby attack on McCain by Bush through Rove was just as scary as on racial division terms as the NAACP having that James Byrd ad with the pick up truck. It appealed to the same unspoken fears that black people have about white people.

Can we, Americans, appeal to the best among us and win an election or must we appeal to what separates and divides us in order to scare our way into the White House?

Even with Hillary's race baiting campaign, this Democratic primary election has given me hope because so many people have gone out and decided even if race is an issue but it is not enough of one to keep Barack Obama out. I agree with Michelle Obama when she said this election has given her pride in America. My pride in being American has taken unbelievable leaps because it means that the American dream can happen to all of us .

This poster is right, Pat Buchanan and the rest of the right are proud of the campaign the Clintons ran. I have heard it out of his mouth on MSNBC.

[wileedog]

10. Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans...

How is he doing with lazy white Americans though?

[geek tragedy]

11. Only negroes and educated people are lazy. n/t

[dailykoff]

12. Frankly I have more respect for Buchanan

though not much. At least he has the courage of his confusions. :crazy:

[geek tragedy]

13. How soon before Clnton starts immigrant-bashing? n/t

[NewHampshireDem]

14. My first thought was

she won't, because of her (alleged) strong support among Hispanic/Latino voters. I wonder, though, how that comment is going to play in the Hispanic/Latino community.

[Raine]

26. Hillary goes back and forth on the driver's

license for illegals depending on her political need. Hillary does what's best for her, that's her priority.

[JVS]

33. Well now that Judas Richardson has betrayed her, I'm sure she's about ready.

Then again she needs to win PR so she might have to be nice

[FlyingSquirrel]

15. Some headlines you can just tell without reading will be locked.

The quote is fine to use, but your characterization of it and equating her with Pat Buchanan.. well, it doesn't work methinks.

[Lady-Damai]

16. How is this thread against DU rules?

:popcorn:

[FlyingSquirrel]

23. Hmmm I dunno...

>> Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here.

>> Do not post broad-brush smears against Democrats.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

Basically it's flamebait to say that Hillary Clinton is a racist on the same level as Pat Buchanan.

[genna]

41. Broad brush and Flame bait? Even when the equation used describes the behavior?

What I don't understand is when did truth telling become unworthy conversation?

It is one thing to say something you know is not true like: No supporter of Hillary Clinton has used racially insensitive language to bait people who don't like African Americans.

It is another thing to assert: Everyone who believes that racial unity is possible cannot vote for Hillary Clinton. This statement is false on its face.

We have come a long way in this country when people start equivocating about race AND others have the audacity to point it out CLEARLY and STRAIGHT FORWARDLY. Think about how many groups have had to line up in either Hillary or Obama camps just because supporters do not want to admit that Hillary has gone too FAR. The daily Kos comes to mind.

[returnable]

17. Well, if there's some good to come of this...

...it's that she won't be the Veep and Obama won't have to pay off her debt :hi:

Seriously, it's time for the Superdels to end this. The murmur today was that she was going to temper her words and play out the clock with class. Guess "the insiders" were wrong. She's employing racist, scorched-earth tactics.

It's time to put this dog down.

[BenDavid]

18. the easiest thing to do in a forum is throw out the name bigot and

racist to anyone you disagree with and does not support your candidate. That is so damn stupid. You accuse anyone and everyone of being racist because he/she states their opinion on why they do not and cannot support obama. You in turn blast away with the bigot and racist words. When you accuse HRC supporters of being racists that is like saying everyone of us uses the N word in describing obama. In which of the post I have read and post I have supplied, not one has ever used the N word, but to you and many others, you throw around loosely the racist term. I can tolerate your stupidity becasue I have been called way worse and have stood my ground against some of the worse haters and racists and I would say this forum especially from SOME and I hope you see the SOME obama people come mighty close to being those same racist I and many other have faced. So, please remember a word written or said cannot be taken back and maybe the problem is the obama supporters are the ones with the HOLES IN THEIR SOULS THAT OBAMA IS GOING TO LAY HANDS ON AND HEAL......

[cliffordu]

21. Golly gosh, BenDavid, how would I guess this is what you'd write...

since I'm a hard working white person, that is....





:sarcasm:

[mythyc]

27. how many times did her highness stroke whiteness in that one little quote bright eyes

[Kittycat]

40. Don't bother - he supports her position to throw AAs under the bus

He's all about white power, just read past posts of his. I'm personally in shock that he's still allowed to post here.

[genna]

42. Freedom of expression is a precious right!!

Hear me out. I THINK the best thing about Free Speech is that those I STRONGLY disagree with have a place too.

Racial healing can't take place when people don't have room to say what is in the heart. When they have room to express the underlying fear or concern, then people have a chance to say I disagree with you because....

I disagree with the MSM for not calling Hillary Clinton out and providing the analogous language. The writer stopped in asking her, can you see how this language might exclude black people AND EVERYONE who has ALREADY voted for your opponent? Press her on the issue, not because she is the front runner and has the chance of winning but because she raised the issue.

[bbgrunt]

19. Jon Stewart told McSame tonight that if

he wanted to win in Nov. he should take Hillary as his running mate. At this point, I think she'd jump at the opportunity.

[Jed Dilligan]

20. Inaccurate. All the real work is being done by Mexicans.

:sarcasm:

[eridani]

22. Oh, great! Now black people don't work

Jeebus, and grantcart said that she'd been on good behavior. Guess that changed fast enough.

[Usrename]

24. There's still a lot more damage left that she can do!

And a whole lot more money that she can waste doing it!

[BlueStater]

25. Hillary Clinton is not a racist but you're probably an asshole n/t

[mythyc]

28. .

[iconicgnom]

29. Of course any white racist demographic will jump ship

But then, I don't think that demographic is a Democratic stronghold, and the "operation chaos" yobos would never vote for a Democrat anyway.

I think Obama is correct and that race will play only a minor role in this election. The Republicans already have the racist vote pretty much locked up and Hillary can't take any of those from McCain. For the rest of us, this is a perfect opportunity to re-examine how some of the more pernicious habits of our ancestors have come down to us through our cultures, to lock us into a retrogressive and unproductive loop. And I don't point my finger at any particular culture, we're all on the same merry-go-round. Racism, racist arguments, are totally passe, totally discredited - and shouldn't even touch the furthest horizon of the self-aware 21st century mind.

Rather, important is Obama's positive message. It's an anti-war message and I think that when delivered with courage and conviction it's a winning message - because my lord, but aren't we all sick of war, war for war's sake? I mean, the massive majority of us, not only in the US but around the world? To say nothing of the fact that it's been proven over and over that wars of aggression, for economic advantage, are for losers.

I'm an optomist and this is a time for optimism, I believe that for every racist Dem who jumps ship, two or more independents or borderline Republicans will hop on board - and stay for the journey.

[genna]

43. Republicans paint antiwar Democrats as WIMPS.

They stuck us with the label in the Vietnam era and continue to preach that to the macho tough couch potato.

The thing is we need all those votes TOO. Obama has stayed away from race and racialism for a reason.

My optimism comes from the fact that Democrats who fought for the Civil Rights have stuck to believing in it for over 40 years. When there is a backlash against those Civil Rights laws, the basic tenet that we are all equal before the law, STANDS.

[Political Heretic]

30. This OP title is over the top. However the quote inside is disgusting.

Nice to see that Hillary "Screw 'em, Bill" Clinton cares so much suddenly now that its politically expedient.

[TexasObserver]

31. Hillary and Buchanan have both soiled themselves in their old age on this.

They've soiled their reputations on race issues, where neither had a real problem in that area before (except for Pat's jingoism, which is more nationalistic than racial). Hillary has destroyed herself with our most critical and loyal demo, while bowing and scraping to voters who voted for her because they know she'd be easier to beat in the fall by McCain. What a sad, sad end to Hillary's political trail. In four short months, she and Bill dismantled his legacy with blacks and created this Birth of a Nation Clinton legacy in its place. I've never seen any politician rip himself or herself so thoroughly from a key party demographic.

And for what?! For the false impression that Hillary won with legitimate voters Indiana and Texas, instead of being the recipient of Rush's scheme?

The ugly truth is she has won one of three contests, and been outplayed and outmanaged from the starting bell until the waning minutes of this game. Obama has been a picture of reason, steadiness, managerial insight and control, and monetary soundness. Hillary has been a picture of crazed ambition, undeserved smugness, and complete disarray.

[Perry Logan]

32. Clintophobes are the skidmarks on the underwear of politics.

[ccharles000]

34. I disagree with your comparison.

I think she is a wonderful person.

[4themind]

35. Admira Ackbar: It's a trap! please change the title of this post too

if he comes back and denounces her because of this, she'll openly start saying that SHE is saying they're hardworking while juxtaposing him as describing them as "bitter"(to re-ignite this countroversy just like when she tried to re-ignite the wright thing when sniper-gate got big) Obama shouldn't go into any strong denouncements on her, let these race-baiting stuff sink on it's own feet, while promoting uinty for better economic development for millions of americans of ALL races, that were left behind. She. is. trying. to. change. the media narrative from "obama is the nominee" to ..well can he win the "white vote", as long as it creates doubt and resentment it HELPS her. Even by the outrage over these comments, it still puts the issue out there. Don't get outraged, just brush it off your shoulders and win. The best way to "denounce" these comments is to defeat those that propagate it. Let's not take our eyes of OUR strategy and OUR message, by RESPONDING directly to hers let's just close this thing out, and close this thinking out of the democratic party. Forever.

Also the OP is over the top, you might think she is, but let the article stand on its own, why even take the chance that a person would have a knee jerk reaction against your post and not read the wonderful contents. It's deception to say "HIllary's stokes racial divide" rather than your title, my suggested title is not a lie, and will not cause some her her supporters not to even CLICK on your link before they see it's content and the evidence you have

[democrattotheend]

36. I don't think she's a racist

I think that at times she and her campaign have been willing to use racially divisive tactics, but I don't think she's personally racist.

I don't like the sound of the statement above, but there are multiple ways to interpret it. It looks like she might have said "hard working Americans" and then clarified "white Americans" to make it clear that she WASN'T saying that blacks don't work hard. If she had said "support among hard working Americans" and NOT added "white Americans", it would have implied that his black supporters are not hard-working Americans.

The statement was tacky, but the way I first read it was the way I described above.

That being said, I have gotten the sense for a while that her "electability" argument to the supers, even if she does not put it this bluntly, is basically "I'm more electable because I'm white", and I do find that offensive. It's certainly possible that Obama could lose because people are too racist to vote for him (I have encountered a few of those voters while volunteering for him), but at this point in the game I think that's a chance we have to take. I know many people who have already voted for Clinton in the primary because they were concerned about whether we were ready to elect an African American president, but the majority of the voters have decided it's a chance worth taking and at this point I think the party should respect that.

[onenote]

37. agreed

HRC's statement was ill-advised but equating her to Buchanan is crap.

[invictus]

44. K & R

[Traction311]

47. Hillary is a racist?

Yet you say nothing about Rev. Wrong...