I pledge not to gloat when Hillary finally drops out

[ButterflyBlood]

I hope other Obama supporters will sign here to do so as well. I'll admit it's pretty damn tempting, especially with the behavior of some Hillary supporters, but we need unity and to focus together on beating McCain and that's not the way to do so. Hillary is losing potential for sympathy by insisting on going on (she probably just blew her last chance to make a dignified exit), but let's go above that.

[joeprogressive]

1. I agree and pledge not to either. I think it is ridiculous that some HRC are making

demands but I will not pander for their vote. If they need a reason to vote for the Democratic candidate they are a moron. However, that being said, I will not gloat because that is childish and we should be better than that.

[bain_sidhe]

2. Smart man!

I too think it's sort of silly for her to continue, but it's not my call, nor my money.

Gloating when she finally does drop out or suspend her campaign will just delay the healing, and we'll need every day we can get.

[FlyingSquirrel]

3. Agreed.

[MadBadger]

4. I agree. I will rejoice, but not gloat.

[NewHampshireDem]

5. Here here!

Though I do reserve the right to continue to shame, harangue, or out-right abuse anyone who says they won't vote for Obama because we hurt their feelings!

[mathewsleep]

6. i'm sorry i can't. hillary supporters have been too mean to me.

[Maddy McCall]

7. Gloat away!

I really think it'll be funny to watch a bunch of immature people posting "burned yer head!!111!" posts.

Won't bother me if you do. I'll just click the x by your thread and go on.

[hokies4ever]

31. We're already gloating

I jumped for joy when I heard that Hillary loaned herself another $6.4 million.

Sorry Hilldog, but you can't buy this Presidency! :rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

8. HRC will be FORCED OUT or she will CHEAT or STEAL her way to the Nomination.

She doesn't have the grace to know when it's time to get off of the National Stage. Hill and Bill are truly "attention whores" in that regard. :thumbsdown:

[grantcart]

9. I will gloat like hell but my fingers have agreed to not type anything gloatworthy

[NewHampshireDem]

10. Crap ... Wait! I wanna do what GrantCart said!

Is it too late to modify my pledge?

[jbm]

11. you should have thought of that weeks ago..

you may as well gloat now. The fact that Obama people seem to think that they can behave any way they wish, say they're sorry afterwards, and all will be well again is just another sign of their immaturity. If you wanted support for your candidate, you shouldn't have burned the bridges in the first place.

[NewHampshireDem]

14. Wait, I have something for you, but you probably won't like it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5869000

[jbm]

19. I don't give a shit about what anybody said on the internet

what you're missing is that Obama can't win! He cannot win, he will not win, he does not have the numbers to win, it ain't gonna happen. All this "support our candidate " crap is a waste of my time, because the candidates with the demographics to win a general election are not going to have the nomination for the democratic party. It is not the Hillary supporters who are going to bring us Mccain. McCain will result because the Obama supporters opted for idealistic delusions over pragmatic reality..and I think that's what makes them so filled with angst and anger. On some level they know what they've done.

[NewHampshireDem]

21. Sorry, but the math just doesn't back up your rant.

I don't know what to say beyond that. You either know it's true, because you've seen it yourself and you're just in denial, or you don't know it at all, in which case you need to spend less time here and more time out in the rest of the internet reading up on this race.

[jbm]

22. of course the math supports my post

The real fight between Obama and Hillary has always been that the system favored him getting the nomination in the primary, but winning the general election favors her. If you don't believe me, check it out for yourself. Get a map, disregard the red states we're not going to win, and break down the swing states by demographics. Break it all down based on his record of support, and he's not even close to McCain. Do the same thing for Hillary, and come explain to me why you thought Obama was a good idea.

[NewHampshireDem]

25. Or, rather than, you know, make shit up ..

We could actually look at the polls:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/5/122655/5037/101/509418

I invite you to take a look beyond the easy EC numbers and follow along as Kos digs a little deeper.

[foo_bar]

26. elections aren't a deterministic function of demographics, unless you believe Mark Penn

Clinton would be winning the primary if your assumptions were true, since all of her pollster-gurus share this rather dim view of humanity; thankfully people aren't soulless automatons reducible to linear math, or Penn and Terry would look like visionaries. It was actually Hillary who had a better chance in the primary process than the general one, given her stratospheric disapproval ratings outside of the female (more than) half of the Democratic party, not to mention her potential ability to mobilize republicans like nobody else on Earth.

Get a map, disregard the red states we're not going to win, and break down the swing states by demographics.

Disregarding the states "we're not going to win" and needing to win every single state on the must-win list hasn't worked too well in the last two prez campaigns, and it certainly didn't help Hillary's primary campaign; Howard Dean's strategy on the other hand made 2006 possible by contesting elections that Rahm/Chuckles/McAuliffe/Carville et alia considered a poor return on investment. Since Obama graduated from the first class of Dean Dozen he won't be completely alone in the wilderness without the help of Third Wayers.

Break it all down based on his record of support, and he's not even close to McCain.

As of today electionprojection.com shows 274 projected electoral votes for Obama vs. 264 for McCain, but anything's possible from a McCain landslide to an Obama one, whereas the ceiling on both Hillary the candidate and DLC the strategy is 280 electoral votes in the most optimistic scenario (that doesn't evoke laughter). Is there a (preferably not Moonie Times) source for your "not even close to McCain" assertion?

[NewHampshireDem]

32. I hope you're not waiting for a response

because it's pretty clear that bringing out silly stuff like facts and polls and reality, which has a well-known anti-Hillary bias, scares most of them off. They like to look for easier targets.

[stevenleser]

16. Dont even try to pull that, OK? I am at least as sick of Clinton supporters bullshit

so dont play like you guys are the poor innocent victims here. Where were you during the Wright/Farrakhan race-baiting outrage?

[NewHampshireDem]

18. Yeah, no shit, eh?

Take a look at the front page of GD P right now. Feel the love for our nominee.

[Colobo]

12. I'm with you.

[stevenleser]

13. Same here, I will be way too busy turning my attention to McCain...

we have already wasted too much time on this silliness.

[jbm]

15. btw-if Hillary was anywhere near the devil you think she is..

she'd drop out tomorrow. West Virginia and Kentucky would still have their primaries. Her name would still be on the ballots, and because she has huge support in those states, she would still win by a landslide. Only then, the headlines would be about how Obama lost by double digits in a primary where he had no opponent. She's propping him up, even though his supporters have done nothing but unjustly demean and insult her. Hillary is a class act now, and always has been.

[Bonobo]

17. Perhaps after we first have a "Go Ahead and Gloat Day".

[sandnsea]

20. I just want a day of celebration

Really a week. But even a day would be nice. So when she does finally drop out, I'm going wackadoo and if the Hillary supporters can't handle it, tough. They'd celebrate if the tables were turned, and rightfully so. It would be a great day to have the first woman nominee. It's too bad they can't put the shoe on the other foot and join in the celebrating too.

[Dbdmjs1022]

23. I'm in. Though I reserve the right to defend against unprovoked attacks on our nominee.

[Jed Dilligan]

24. There are one or two pizzas I might gloat over a little,

but I'm done opposing her. She has lost and the opponent is McCain.

[Lord Helmet]

27. I'll kiss her ass as long as she just walks away.

[Roxy66]

28. No gloating here...

[eridani]

29. On board here. No "sore winner" horseshit. Ever. n/t

[shaniqua6392]

30. Obama will still have to win the GE.

There is no time to gloat. I think you should celebrate for about one minute when he seals the nomination and then get to work. Obama needs Clinton's supporters to win. He will NOT win without them. If Obama and his supporters alienate those who love her and voted for her, he will not make it to the White House. That is the bottom line. Now what are we going to do about that?