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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 11:41 PM
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TPM on paying off Clinton's debt, Pelosi on continuing race, Kid Oakland on Judgment of Howard.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 12:21 AM by madfloridian
Right.

Josh Marshall hits the nail on the head tonight at TPM when he discusses the rumor that the Obama campaign might pay off Hillary's debt. He covers it well.

Terms II

According to the Huffington Post's Tom Edsall and a number of others, one of the possibilities in the offing if Hillary Clinton quickly ends her presidential campaign is that the Obama campaign will not only retire the $10 to $15 million in unpaid campaign related expenses the Clinton campaign owes but will also help the Clinton campaign pay back to the Clintons personally the $11.4 million they have loaned to the campaign during the last three months.

Helping to retire an opponent's campaign is not unprecedented and can sometimes be justified in the interests of party unity. (Remember, this isn't just money in the abstract. A lot of it is payment to people who provided services or goods of various sorts to the campaign and need to be paid or paid back.) But using more than $10 million raised in large part by small individual donations to pay back the Clintons who appear to be worth many tens of millions of dollars simply seems wrong.

This isn't meant to sound ungracious. I don't begrudge the Clintons their very substantial wealth. And even for really, really rich people, $11 million isn't nothing. But that is simply too much money raised from small givers to give to people who loaned it with full knowledge of the odds and have more than enough money to really know what to do with.

Frankly, I'm surprised that it's even being suggested. It would be a mistake for the Clintons to ask (and just because people are chattering about it -- don't assume they have or will), a mistake for Obama to offer and one that would risk a severe backlash.


Amen to that.

Wrong.

And Nancy Pelosi, on a related topic, would have done better just not to say anything at all.

Pelosi: The Race is not Over

WASHINGTON (CNN) — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said Wednesday the Democratic presidential race is not over yet and that it is still possible for Senator Hillary Clinton to win.

“I think the race is alive and well and will continue,” Pelosi said during a news conference to promote Democratic energy proposals.

Pelosi, who has repeatedly said she remains neutral in the Democrats’ nomination battle, was asked whether Clinton's slim margin of victory in Indiana meant her campaign was finished.

"A win is a win. A win is a win. Let's just call it what it is," Pelosi said.

"I believe the races must continue. The people should all have the opportunity to speak as long as two candidates wish to compete in those primaries and caucuses. In a few weeks we will be on our way to nominating the next President of the United States," she said.


Fine, Nancy, but you and Howard Dean and some others are really forgetting that the longer the anger goes on needlessly....the harder to come back together.

And another "Right."

Kid Oakland at his blog offers a thought. I am now tending to agree with him. I think perhaps a little tough love is in order. Maybe past time for it.

The Judgment of Howard

I wrote months ago comparing the current demographic situation in the Democratic Party to the Judgment of Solomon where two women go before the King each claiming to be the true mother of a child and the King suggests cutting the child in half and each mother taking part.

The true mother relents and cedes out of love and maternal passion for her infant, and the King, satisfied he has found the true mother, orders the infant given to her whole.

Of course,we are in just such a situation now, if you'll forgive the literary metaphor. These polls spell that out on some level. The true mother has been apparent since Iowa.

One wise commenter in that thread on dailykos, however, made an interesting point about the actual historical moral of that tale. As well as being about maternal love, the Judgment of Solomon is a story about how Solomon unified Israel by bringing a sword at a crucial moment, forcing a decision about Israel's future and his own leadership.


Kid Oakland asks some questions that it is beyond time to ask.

He says "Who loves the party more? Who is reaching out to bring us together? Which campaign has sacrificed and worked to bring us together, has worked to lay the foundation of the future of our party? Which campaign best represents the future of the Democratic Party?"

He could also have said who is supporting the party more by using the party voter files, paying the state parties for them to replenish their coffers. Then also replenishing the party voter files with the new people registered to vote. One candidate did this, the other often did not...instead used a private database. One cared enough to rebuild the state parties in conjunction with the 50 state plan, one did not.

What Kid Oakland didn't say is important as well. Which campaign seeks to divide by race, gender, and by manipulating the voters of two large states.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:29 AM
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1. I am perfectly pleased for the race to continue....but leave my state alone.
Quit organizing protests against the DNC. Quit filing lawsuits. Stop going on TV and saying that Dean disenfranchised our state when in fact that is not true at all.

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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:36 AM
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2. Did you see Wexler on CNN tonight. He was prettty clear about moving forward.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 12:38 AM by asSEENonTV
"At what price?"... was his ultimate question to question of Hillary staying in.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:57 AM
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3. I don't want my donations to the Obama campaign diverted to a different candidate.
regardless of rationale. I suspect a few million other donars out there may feel the same.

Disastrous idea.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:48 PM
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8. I am wondering if this is media spin mostly.
:hi:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:52 PM
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9. Or could it be this "Voteboth" :
May 7, 2008
Ex-Clintonite makes press-release goof
Posted: 03:30 PM ET

A former Clinton staffer is now pushing a unity ticket.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Old habits die hard, a long-time Hillary Clinton supporter proved this week when he sent out a press release from his new organization with press@hillaryclinton.com as the contact address.

Sam Arora, a Clinton aide for three years, made the goof Tuesday in a press release for VoteBoth, which is pressing for a ticket that would bring the two Democratic rivals together.

The release said "press@voteboth.com," but linked to the Clinton campaign's generic media e-mail address.

Arora said it was a simple mistake caused by his using an old Microsoft document to make the new one.

"I didn't realize that, when you do this in Microsoft Word, you have to look at what the html says," he said. "This was just me being technically unadvanced."

-snip

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/07/ex-clintonite-makes-press-release-goof/?eref=ib_politicalticker


VoteBoth Folks Ramp Up
06 May 2008 10:32 pm
The Hillaryites who founded VoteBoth are pushing forward. Here's their statement on tonight's results.
HAROLD FORD, JR. ENDORSES UNITY TICKET
Obama Calls for Unity, Opens Door to Idea

WASHINGTON, DC--Democratic Leadership Council chairman and former Tennessee congressman Harold E. Ford, Jr. tonight endorsed a “Dream Team” ticket with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Speaking on MSNBC, Ford said, “I think it's something that this party is going to have to think very seriously about in the next few weeks.”

Senator Barack Obama left open the door to sharing the general election ballot with Senator Hillary Clinton as he spoke this evening to supporters in Raleigh, NC, and addressed the unity the Democrat Party needs, saying:
“Tonight, many of the pundits have suggested that this party is inalterably divided – that Senator Clinton’s supporters will not support me, and that my supporters will not support her. Well I’m here tonight to tell you that I don’t believe it. ...This fall, we intend to march forward as one Democratic Party, united by a common vision for this country. Because we all agree that at this defining moment in history – a moment when we’re facing two wars, an economy in turmoil, a planet in peril – we can’t afford to give John McCain the chance to serve out George Bush’s third term.”
VoteBoth founder Adam Parkhomenko responded to the growing support for a unity ticket, saying today, “Instead of nominating the candidate with 50.1% of the vote, we need to consider a ticket with both Obama and Clinton that has won 100% of the vote.”
-snip
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/voteboth_folks_ramp_up.php
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:22 PM
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10. Very interesting.
So Harold Ford is pushing that option? I thought I heard him say something about unity on TV.

Bet they will pressure Obama and make it hard for him not to do so.

I never saw anything like this fear of giving up power.

Thanks for that. :hi:
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:21 AM
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11. More Spin RNC inside job?
Tim Russert mentioned the idea first late on Tuesday Night after it was clear Clinton had a bad night. Im wondered why he would bring that up... But he did... Now there is another story on Huffington Post front page about this... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/08/obama-camp-faces-major-ob_n_100928.html Same author of the first article... He may be trying to cause Obama contributers to limit their donations.

I just think this is something that the Obama team needs to deal with quickly.

I do think on the flip side that it has sad implications for Clinton supporters giving donations and expecting her to stay in the race.

It does seems like an RNC strategy...

Here's the quote... "Top officials of the Barack Obama campaign are privately exploring ways to help Hillary Clinton discharge her debts and pay back the $11.43 million " By Thomas B. Edsall is the political editor of the Huffington Post.

Tom can be reached at edsall@huffingtonpost.com.

He doesn't provide any evidence to his assertion...
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:05 PM
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15. Huffington Post removed this BullShit Story
Off the front page. Beware of the rumors... These fake journalist are some of the ones who pushed the BullShit run up to war in Iraq...
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happycozy Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:28 AM
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14. Totally agree...
I sent Sen. Obama an email saying I will stop donating to his campaign if he gives her a dime.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:03 AM
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4. Fish and houseguests smell after three days, Hilary has overstayed her welcome.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:03 AM
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7. Thought you were talking about Nancy
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:29 AM
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5. Gee how nice..
Kind of like paying your stalker's legal bills & expenses when they go to court, after you have them arrested :eyes:

or like extortion from the Clintons.. "we'll keep trashing you for another month, if you don't pay our debts..even though we could buy & sell you 10 times over"
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:03 AM
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6. Apparently the Super D's in Congress
are tired of workin' down on Nancy and Harry's farm and want to make their own choices. Hopefully this means they'll elect new leadership next time, along with a House Majority Whip who gets out of his office now and then.
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mcollier Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:46 AM
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12. DONATE to Obama with Absolute Confidence.
As posted by blogger Obamacrat On Barackobama.com:

“Hillary’s Debt Will NOT Be Paid By Obama for America.

It is not legal to do so.

I secured this information personally from campaign HQ in a phone conversation with the Finance Chairman In Chicago at 2:40 P.M. EDT today Thursday, May 8th. I was asked to relay this information onto the blog by the Finance Chairman.



There is no need to worry that your donations to Obama for America will go anywhere else.

None of the money you donate to Obama will be diverted to payoff Hillary Clinton’s debt.


Kill Any Rumor To The Contrary … and pass this along, please.

A rumor started about this based on some loose comments by Tim Russert.

Many here became worried and said they would stop donating if it was the case that HRC’s debt would be paid for by us. It Is Not The Case and it will not happen.

Why did I call HQ about this? I called because many bloggers had/have posted that they will not donate to the Obama campaign if Hillary’s debt is paid for by us / Obama for America.”

Don’t believe him (as trustworthy as he is ;o) ?? Call for yourself: 312-819-2008
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:39 AM
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13. That is good news. Now to squelch this shitty VoteBoth Ticket idea...nt
NoFederales
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