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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:53 AM
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"Hillary should quit." This a.m. on NPR: About a dozen quotes from influential
people.

The media has turned-They're finally giving up the myth that this contest is still open.

Also, on my local news, story after story that she's broke and no one any longer thinks she can stay in it, let alone win it.

We already knew this because McGramps has targeted Obama exclusively. But now, the media is finally giving up the fiction that this is still a race.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:54 AM
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1. Most of the talking heads, Russert, Schiffer, Stephanopolis, Matthews,
Even Time magazine, now, are saying we have the Democratic Nominee.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:57 AM
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5. See post #4.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:30 AM
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22. you mean these PIGS...TheTruth (NOT) Brigade?


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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:31 AM
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24. So now
We are throwing Stephen Colbert and John Stewart under the bus?

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:31 AM
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26. They are pigs and blowhards.
But, unfortunately they are largely the ones who set the narrative. It's going to be a hard week for Hillary.

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:56 AM
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2. pundits and privileged politicians
who think they know better than the voters
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:57 AM
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6. This isn't about voters anymore
and you know it. Obama needs about 30 more superdelgates and its truly impossible for her to win.

Hillary wanted this over after Super Tuesday so she has no place to stand here.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:59 AM
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9. apparently it is
. . . and you think you should be able to dictate to the Clinton campaign when to exit?

This certainly isn't about folks like you who don't support her.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:01 AM
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12. I don't care
I personally don't like her. The more damage she does to her own future fine by me.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:02 AM
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15. I can tell that you don't care.
good for you.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:06 AM
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16. The voters have spoken, for the most part.
Amazing that Clinton supporters don't understand.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:08 AM
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17. Amazing that you can read our minds.
The voters in the remaining states haven't yet 'spoken'.

Amazing how unimportant they are to some.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:15 AM
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18. 90+ % of the voters have spoken.
Amazing that you can't do simple math.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:18 AM
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19. The superdelegates can switch
even after they endorse now, so I don't get the meme that they'd be "taking away" others votes, nothing is "official" about it yet. If sen. clinton decides to just give up as a result, it's her own decision voters can't FORCE her her to assume office, but they're still free to vote for her anyway if they wish
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:43 PM
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31. It's done. EOM
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:56 AM
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3. I don't let the media pundits decide my politics for me.
Personally, with the fear of boasting, I think I'm a little more intelligent and insightful than the average media twerp.

I'll trust the American people, meaning the people in ALL states, before I trust these idiots.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:59 AM
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8. Count all the States!!
Except if I win by Super Tuesday.....
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:01 AM
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13. And those damn "sham" caucuses.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:50 AM
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30. Caucuses ARE a sham.
Any moron can see that.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:41 PM
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34. Those Democrats voting in caucuses shouldn't count!
That is ridiculous. The Clinton's didn't mind them when Bill won them.

If caucuses benefit one candidate over another, it's because one has a better organization.
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:56 AM
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4. doesn't matter
They're all talking heads - she has to be the one to give up, and she has a full week scheduled in WV.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:58 AM
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7. These people
Affect fundraising.

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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:00 AM
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10. Also, George McGovern, and another superdelegate switched
that make s 8 switches from Hillary to Obama. She is running on financial fumes, and is losing support daily. The fact that the media turned makes it very hard for her to gain anything more.

It is up to her, but I believe she will exit before she is embarrassed by a mass movement of Superdelegates.

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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:00 AM
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11. She doesn't have to give up, she's been soundly defeated.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 07:01 AM by bowens43
She's either to stubborn or to stupid to admit it. Right now, she just looks like a sad, pathetic clown.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:01 AM
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14. Ah, the sweet irony. "Inevitability" meme comes back to bite Hillary in the ass...
Remember this? --

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t's too early to start measuring the drapes in the Oval Office. But then again, the Clintons don't have to; they've been there. They've cased the place. And the way Hillary is breaking away in the polls, the two parties might as well cancel the primaries and let her go straight to picking her cabinet.

You know the inevitability movement is getting ahead of itself when Bill Clinton is on television ruminating about having an office in the West Wing, and allowing with a chuckle that he'll take whatever she gives him, even if it's in the basement. The latest Washington Post-ABC News poll shows Hillary Clinton easily outpacing Barack Obama, her nearest rival on the Democratic side, and opening up an 8-point lead in a matchup with Republican Rudy Giuliani, who's pinning his whole campaign on burning her at the stake.

The Post poll explodes the myth that Hillary is unelectable because she's too polarizing. It turns out she isn't any more polarizing than the other candidates, and by 42 percent to 20 percent, she's seen as better able than Obama to bring the country together. Asked about the poll, which demolishes the central theme of his "turn the page" candidacy, Obama said he had talked to "President Dean" about it, a lighthearted way to make the point that in the last election another candidate seemed inevitable, and look what happened. The party ganged up on Howard Dean. He was untested, and he was an outsider, an insurgent.

The difference this time around is that the Clintons are the party, and Hillary is the establishment candidate. She's not going to fall apart like Dean. Her campaign has a level of professionalism that eluded Dean, a novice on the national stage. The Clinton campaign has mastered the mechanics of getting elected with the goal of perpetuating one family's hold on political power at the highest level. Samuel Popkin, a professor of political science at the University of California, San Diego, is writing a book examining why senators so often have trouble running a good campaign. The list is long, from Ed Muskie in '72 to John Glenn in '84 and John Kerry in '04. Ted Kennedy in '80 is the prime example of a great senator doing a terrible job running for president. So far Hillary Clinton is the exception to the rule. "She's made fewer mistakes than any senator since John F. Kennedy in 1960," marvels Popkin.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/42415?from=rss
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:32 AM
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27. Ah - Eleanor Clift. That explains it.
Showing off her "skills" again.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:22 AM
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20. I feel comfortable enough to allow it to continue.
If it is to continue though, I think trying to divide according to race needs to stop going forward and keep the primary race issue oriented.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:24 AM
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21. What I worry about
Edited on Thu May-08-08 07:25 AM by Jake3463
Is a week from now when the "fighter" is still out campaigning and their are no news cameras cause the MSM isn't interested in policy speeches from a defeated candidate...her going back on offense to get the cameras back.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:30 AM
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23. That's a risk.
However, I think if that is the case, SDs will flood towards Obama to cut it off.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 10:18 AM
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29. She's certainly been doing just that for weeks, now. Scorched earth policy.
Definitely a real worry.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:31 AM
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25. Hey, if Ron Paul can keep running, so can she (doesn't mean we have to pay attention) nt
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 07:34 AM
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28. Thankfully it was like playing disn*y make believe.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 07:35 AM by barack the house
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:20 PM
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32. Wrong! Hillary should not drop out!
This could be her chance to shine. It could be her saving grace. She needs to get out there and campaign her hardest! Attack McCain, every single chance she gets! Explain why Dems would be better! Attack McCain! Call for Dem unity. Attack McCain!! Earn some respect back from some of the Dems she lost. Did I mention, attack McCain?

She needs to do this now. For the party. While the cameras are still focused on her. She needs to be the pitbull for the party.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:21 PM
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33. And, it's not just a matter of "quitting"..
It's knowing when to have the grace to bow out and not look like a screaming idiot for the rest of your life.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:35 PM
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35. Like, not re-enacting hauling Brittney out, screaming on a gurney.
I mean, remove the feeding tube, already!
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