The Hillary forum is now donating to John McCain; Anybody Surprised?

[olkaz]

http://208.68.175.86/discussion/showthread.php?t=10041

(FIXED LINK)

If anybody had any questions as to the real motivations of the "boycott brigade", this should lay it out pretty plainly. And if you think this is just some deranged poster donating, the OWNER of the site compliments the poster for doing it!

Long story short: The shark has been jumped, the crazy are going to get crazier, and the rest of us need to back off the hostilities. Time to regroup and heal.

[nomorewhopper]

1. over emotional response based out of pure spite

when mccain overturns roe vs. wade, have fun with all that

[TahitiNut]

49. What does that say about the basis for their "suppport" for Clinton?

The mentally and emotionally "healthy" person matures and improves their decision-making over time and with experience.

:shrug:

[PoliticalAmazon]

152. REALITY CHECK: They SAY they are donating to McCain, but...

...when you consider who Hillary couldn't get her supporters to fund Hillary's campaign, there is very little likelihood that they are now suddenly piling on the money to McCain.

They're just angry and disappointed, and they don't want to focus their anger and disappointment on the source, Hillary Clinton, so they are projecting it onto anyone and anything else that comes along.

[rodeodance]

209. You folks are pathetic. One poster says he gave 5$ and you have cows. Just an excuse to smear

Hillary and her supporters--that is what is thread is all about.

[PoliticalAmazon]

222. Bitter? Party of one? n/t

[greguganus]

241. lol n/t

[JVS]

2. They should donate to their own poor-assed candidate

Hill can't pay the bills!

[olkaz]

9. That's what I was thinking.

Get this: If the Hillary supporters donate to McCain, and the Obama supporters have to bail out Hillary, it's pretty much like we're giving to McCain.

The Obama campaign had better do the right thing here.

[nxylas]

25. The OP in the thread is donating to both

They are also talking about a mass defection of"hundreds-thousands-millions" from the Democratic Party. Er...how many members does that forum have? Anyone know?

[AllentownJake]

34. 1700

and out of that maybe 500 are actually posting regularly.

We saw their organization skills with Pot and Pan fun day.

They are an amusement not a threat.

[PoliticalAmazon]

153. TA-DA! Thank you.

[mac2]

3. Bull crap

[olkaz]

8. To what portion of my message are you responding?

Not sure how to respond.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

53. You are asking

a DUer who says this often to anything that points out the bizzarro world of Hillary and her supporters.

I think they have that "bull crap" thing pre-programmed to appear.

[olkaz]

59. My bad.

Oh well. Hope I didn't disrupt their plans.

[EnviroBat]

4. You have got to be kidding me.

Shows ya just how fucking low they will go with this.

[barack the house]

5. I wouldn't worry if they can't fund Hillary they won't fund mccain. He'll never get as much as Obama

If they are though they really weren't Democrats to start with.

[Shae]

23. Excellent point!!! nt

[QueenOfCalifornia]

58. It isn't just that

It's more about this single point- it is the mind set of people who would support Hillary to begin with and then decide to hitch their wagon to the straight talk express. McCain's agenda is to sweep through the Middle East and to kiss the ass of the evangelical whack jobs who vote for war mongering assholes. It is what it is. If you are anti war you will vote for Obama. If you run with the Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Iran crowd, you switch from Hillary to McCain.

It is fucking insanity and this should be pointed out as often as possible.

[powergirl]

6. Now we know the true character of her campaign

The interests of the Democratic party and our country were never their priority. It was all about her. :puke:

[bjnumb9]

215. Yes, her campaign was all about her

Even her supporters chanting "Yes she can," as some kind of play off of Obama's supporters chanting "Yes WE can." It's sad, it's dumb, and the only thing that keeps my faith in the intelligence of the American people is that Obama is coming away with the nomination.

Next test for the intelligence of the American people scheduled for November. They better ace it because they failed the hell out of the 2004 version (passed with a D- in 2000 but it happened to be misgraded).

[AllentownJake]

7. I have hope because of this

This site on a mornings in the past had 175 people viewing the forums...today they have 35.

[EnviroBat]

10. These "Hill supporters" are actually proud of their shit?

They will vote McCain like that's something to be proud of. How fucking stupidly childish are these people? What fucking planet are they from. "We'll help to annihilate this country of our Queen is not granted the nomination". What fucking logic are they grasping for? Their supposed numbers are staggering. I'm hearing 50% of her supporters are gladly voting McCain if Obama gets the nomination? They trumpet this like it's something to be proud of. We truly are a nation of disgusting morons.

[olkaz]

12. "We truly are a nation of disgusting morons."

QFT.

Although, I think time will clear up a lot of this. I mean, it's important to recognize that these people are the real true-believers, and are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance. When Hillary says it's over, maybe they'll break out of the funk.

[EnviroBat]

27. I just really don't know what to say any more.

I guess I'm in a state of shock right now. I simply can't get my mind around people being so obtuse.

[AllentownJake]

11. They also got Donna Brazille's Email

and were shocked when they sent her an email saying they would vote for McCain she told them off.

[olkaz]

16. I laughed at that too.

I like Donna more and more every time I hear her.

She has zero tolerance for ridiculousness. We need more of that.

[Aloha Spirit]

21. +1

[skipos]

13. What do you expect? Hillary Inc has been trying to make McCain sound better than Obama

for weeks. I hope everyone over there likes the idea of the state telling them what to do with their bodies.

[ShortnFiery]

14. I suspect that if SOME of these people reflect and analyze the deep dark caverns of their souls

they'll find a little RACIAL PREJUDICE there.

This isn't *all* about having a WOMAN in the Presidency.

If you turn-over the rock layer of defensiveness, there's plenty racism fomenting there. :grr:

Are you paying attention superdelegates, or are you too pre-occupied with your social soirees and watching CNN?

[ampad]

109. Exactly

These are the so called "white working class" that Hillary, the media and her DU supporters are so damn concerned about. I say fuck them and let them go the way of the dark side. Why should we bow to them because they are bigots, why reward that sickness.

[AspenRose]

164. It's obvious

As I've said in the past, it's time to finish what LBJ started and encourage these folks to go home to the GOP.

[CoffeeCat]

15. Let them go...

I don't want people like that in the Democratic party.

There is a cancer in our democracy. It spread through the Republican party via the neocons.
Then it metastasized in the Democratic party--within the DLC ranks. We have to let them go.

Personally, I'm happy to have those people cross the other side. It's like chemotherapy
for our party. If they truly will vote for a 100 more years of war with Iraq and support
war with Iran and the continuation of the PNAC plan--then I say we're lucky they're gone.

The true Progressives in the Dem party need to fight like hell and go up against these
neocons masquerading as Dems. We need to galvanize, organize and work for Obama, in
order to end this nightmare.

They've got the corporate media on their side, the corporations, a majority of the Republicans and
a good chunk of the Democrats. We've got the truth on our side--and we've got each other.

This is not a surprise that they're doing this. Press on.

[stillcool]

I agree. I'd rather people...

own up to who they are and what they believe, than to cloak themselves with a thin veneer of tolerance. Hate breeds hate. Let them spread it someplace else.

[CoffeeCat]

83. Also when those Dem neocons finally switch...

...just like Lieberman, there will be further shifts.

Reasonable Republicans and Independents will see that it's the warmongering/neocons vs. the
rest of the world--and they can make better decisions about where they want to go.

You're right, we don't need warmongering, corporatist, neocons in our party. Let them leave.
They don't belong in our party, any more than Lieberman does. They need to leave.

I wish they'd leave faster.

[SoFlaJet]

88. damn good post TS

metastasized...good word there-I'm impressed

[L0oniX]

107. ***** DING DING DING *****

I am with ya 100% on that.

[frickaline]

17. Completely childish response to their loss nt

[Aloha Spirit]

18. These people also donate to Larry Sinclair. They use crystals and candles to see into the future .

For real.

[olkaz]

24. I know, holy crap that **kills** me.

There are hundred of posts that talk about "the prophecy" of Hillary becoming president.

I wish somebody would do a documentary on these guys.

[L0oniX]

108. Kind of Nancy Reganish huh what with her palm reading and stars

:evilgrin:

[EnviroBat]

19. After perusing the thread at this lame-ass site, I'm beginning to

suspect that these are many of Rush's Operation Chaos operatives. They have infiltrated the site and registered to post there. How else can these assholes be for real?

[melody]

26. They have the same crap here for months, masquerading as Clinton supporters n/t

[EnviroBat]

32. These people are like a disease.

Spreading like a shitty virus. Infecting this wonderful democratic process, (which is completely corrupted by greed and scheming).

[DemVet]

135. Yeah, God forbid if anyone oppose Barry here.

:eyes:

[roguevalley]

208. yeah, god forbid they support McCain and call themselves dems.

And his name is Barack. Barack. You out yourself with your remarks.

[melody]

225. This is an example of inane fake Hillary "supporter" nonsense

It's the sociopathy of the freeper base.

[Arkansas Granny]

42. I did the same and noticed that the poster had 16 posts. Your suspicions

may be correct.

[EnviroBat]

69. Rush has quite the little Gestapo going aye?

A little army of Rush Brown shirts doing the Limp-dicks bidding.

[DangerousRhythm]

104. Yep, that's what I was thinking.

I give Clinton supporters more credit than that, y'know? These people are just batshit insane on that site. They can't be for real. I think maybe they just want the publicity to make it appear more "chaotic". ;)

[SanchoPanza]

128. Paranoid Fantasy

Everyone that gets in my way is against me.

People who don't support me are against me. People who don't cater to my every whim are against me. The whole world is against me. The DNC is against me. Obama is against me. The Democratic Party is against me. Vote McCain! That'll show 'em! Sure, I'll suffer under his policies too, but the important thing is the suffering of those who conspired against me! They must pay, even if it hurts me. So what if I become the very disgusting stereotype that people ascribe to my candidate of choice? My feelings are hurt, dammit! And someone besides me must be held responsible!

The internet is an amazing tool for delusional people to come together and wallow in their collective persecution complex. Go read RaptureReady sometime. It's a hoot.

[jjchvz]

234. As real as any site!

[bowens43]

20. This has been obvious for quite sometime.

The only possible motive that hillary and her supporters could have for continuing this charade is to ensure that Obama loses in the GE so that hillary has a shot in 2012. They're despicable.

[Shae]

41. Hillary will not be the nominee in 2012 either.

If Obama loses the GE, Hillary will shoulder much of the blame for it. The Democrats won't appreciate her attempts to aggrandize herself at the expense of the party.

[olkaz]

66. That's the part that they don't get.

Hillary is one and done with this campaign. If she had ran against McCain and showed exactly how she can dismantle him, instead of trying to destroy Obama, I would have supported her.

But now, if Obama loses, the concensus will be that Hillary pulled him down.

[Shae]

89. IMHO

she should start salvaging the rest of her political future.
I could be wrong, but I think she's pretty much ruined her chances as majority leader. Besides for all the personal finances the Clinton's have put into her campaign, they have also spent a lot of political capital.

[SoFlaJet]

90. somebody said it last night on MSNBC

she won't have another shot in 2012-he said you only get one bite at the apple these days and she fucking blew it this time when she HAD the thing pretty much locked up-TFB Hillbots...now go ahead and donate to McCain and when YOUR daughters are getting abortions with rusty coat hangers ask yourselves why...

[Shae]

100. and also ask why

when your sons and daughters are being shipped to Iraq and Iran to be cannon fodder for the GOP's dirty little war(s).

[SoFlaJet]

103. I have a 15 year old son

and three beautiful grandsons Shae. I don't want another drop of my family's blood to be spilled-not for these kinds of wars. My Italian immigrant grandfather fought in WW1. My father was a paratrooper in the 82AA and jumped into St. Mere Eglise on D-Day and was carried off the field, wounded at the Bulge by two German POWs-my recently deceased Silver Star (2 or 3 Purple Hearts) awarded brother was Special Forces guy in Vietnam who struggled his life with addiction and PTSD...I'd say that's enough from this family for a while.

[Shae]

124. I'll work hard for the candidate

who I believe will keep your son out of bulls#!t wars. It's a fight worth fighting. God bless.
(You made me cry).

[SoFlaJet]

144. I didn't mean to do that

again though, we can't say enough about the Supreme Court nominees that will come up during the next administration and McCain wants to undo Roe v Wade

[tabasco]

165. Similar records of service from my family.

I would be the first in line if this country ever really needed my service again.

But the illegal wars for profit must end and those who instigated them must be punished!

[melody]

22. It's nothing but masked racism

They don't want to vote for the black guy ... it has nothing to do with anything about him but his color.

[L0oniX]

115. Exactly. That's why Hillary's base is older white women who are scared of young blacks because they

are ignorant and probably watch too much "cops" on tv

[libertad]

122. I don't really think it is even "masked"

it seems pretty blatant to me.

[baldguy]

28. If they don't support the presumptive Democratic nominee

They support McCain.

[GarbagemanLB]

29. Wow. Not ONE post in that thread showing logic and reason.

[TheCowsCameHome]

30. They deserve what the get, if true.

[The River]

31. For Every "Sour Grape" in Camp Clinton

who says they will vote for McSame there are probably 10 disaffected Republicans
who will vote for Obama.....just to get the neocon criminals OUT of office.

That place is a hate site. A few hundred people with "issues" who
won't make any difference in the long run.

[ZinZen]

33. Be careful what you wish and donate for.

It's your choice but you have to live with the consequences.

[Bensthename]

35. They support the Iraq war and Bush Tax cuts, HC, eduactions, etc.. Very Sad..

Maybe they will be lucky enough to has her run on McCains ticket,.

[Evergreen Emerald]

36. Wait, didn't you all say there would be a mass exodus if Obama was not chosen?

I recall you all talking about stickig up for the AA votes and that if Obama was not chosen by the SDs there would be hell to pay.

Apparently some on Clinton's side are protesting.

[AllentownJake]

37. Difference

We were talking about the Nuclear option.

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. Difference

When Obama or his supporters said it--it is a good thing.
When Clinton or her supporters say it--it is more reason to twirlinfauxoutrage

[highplainsdem]

81. Not all Obama supporters who were talking of sitting out the election,

or mentioning the possibility of voting for McCain, were talking only about the nuclear option. Some of them made it clear they wouldn't support Hillary even if she managed to win the nomination without it.

And many of them are saying now they'll sit out the election if Obama puts Hillary on the ticket. Yes, it'll really help if the simplest option he has for building a coalition is one his followers say they'll desert him for.

I'm really saddened to see any Hillary supporters doing anything as foolish as offering ANY support to McCain. But it's the flip side of similar nonsense here.

[Leftist Agitator]

84. "Apparently some on Clinton's side are protesting."

No, protesting would be staying at home in November. Donating to McSame makes you a Republican, and an idiot.

If you disagree, why don't you just go join your Hillarite friends over there, cut a check to McSame, and leave we real Democrats the fuck alone?

[JerseygirlCT]

92. I for one have never said I'd pick up my marbles (vote) and go GOP

were Hillary Clinton the nominee.

Would there have been a ruckus if Obama were pushed aside by the SD? Quite possibly. But I think most Obama supporters are actually Democrats, and would vote for the best of the country and their party.

[genna]

214. I was mad enough to talk a little junk

but I would not vote for 2008 McCain. He sounded a lot different in 2000 when he and Bush were in the primary. He was much more principal laden.

Now, he sounds like he would do everything Bush did but 10x worse. 100 years in Iraq? That is just crazy.

I don't think I have heard one Republican nominee or candidate talk about the virtues of civil or human rights in our nation and in our world. There is no way I'd believe that the Republican party is embracing diversity until I see them support or author that kind of legislation.

I think McCain might be a decent human being that has suffered terribly in the Vietnam War for Americans benefit; however, McCain the candidate is talking about a few more Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and other conservative judges.

The U.S. Supreme Court is only a couple more justices away from dictating that women's right to control what happens to their bodies IS OVER.

There is no way a person who is looking for a pro life/pro choice candidate cannot see this in perspective.

[rucky]

96. No, we didn't.

A few overly dramatic people did.

and a few more overly dramatic people have attributed this to all of us.

[L0oniX]

120. Staying home on voting day and voting for McInsain are not the same.

[RandomKoolzip]

157. Obama supporters are not monolithic. You ought to know better.

"You all" means, in reality, maybe three or four posters.

Man, is disingenuousness caused death, there'd be very few Hillary supporters left alive...

[Marrah_G]

38. Never heard of them- don't care what a bunch of nuts do.

[olkaz]

45. You should care: Those people are posting here EVERY DAY

Their failed boycott didn't deter them from constantly trolling and trying to sow dischord through GD:P throughout this process.

Although, I have them all ignored now. Looks like some of them are posting in this thread too. Bravo!

[Marrah_G]

55. None that I know. I belong to a Hillary Support site where McCain is well hated.

I think you are assuming they are the same posters.

And again- I don't care what a few nuts on the internet do.

[Evergreen Emerald]

61. What a doltish thing to say.

"trolling constantly." Actually many Clinton suppoters have been members of DU for years and are voicing an opinion--albeit different than yours--on a democratic thread.

"Agree or you are UnAmerican." Sounds like Bush all over again.

[newmajority]

136. Please tell me you aren't defending these cretins

Here's another "stellar" piece of Hillbottery from that site.....

Originally Posted by WV4Hillary
Guys...Obama WON'T win..so it makes no difference.

Here's my plan: Hillary, if she loses, goes to the SOUTH and only to big African American cities stumping for Obama. She goes to ALL the black cities all fired up for Obama, thereby fixing her image with the black community. She also looks big for helping Obama so hard.

Truth: She knows he won't win the southern states. She won't step foot in Ohio or Pennsylvania. She'll stay where she knows he can't win...and rebuild her image in the black community.

In 2010, she launches her second run. She wins blacks this time, and easily wins the nomination. She defeats McCain in 2012, as the economy will still be bad and the war still going on.

Obama will go down as the loser who kept us from President Hillary 4 years longer...caused 4 more years of Iraq War...and almost destroyed America.

"WV4Hillary" is a vile shitbag and not a Democrat by any stretch of the imagination. There is no defense for this. None.

[Marrah_G]

149. What proof do you have that anyone there posts here?

And beyond that it doesn't fucking matter if they did. When people post things that are against the rules here you alert and the Mods will delete if what is said crossed the line.

Hillary supporters HERE are not responsible for other websites actions.

Perhaps I should spend some time searching for crazy Obama supporter sites. You know they are out there. Then we can fake some hysterics, come back here and blame you for their actions and claim that you MUST be one of them too.

Now see how silly that is?

[newmajority]

155. Some of the Hillbots here are just as bad.

No names mentioned of course, but one of the worst was recently 'stoned and then inexplicably un-stoned the next day. And then there's the padded cell refugee who has posted at least 6 different mile long rants about how everyone on earth that doesn't like Hillary is a "SEXIST MISOGYNIST WOMYN HATING BASTARD !!!1!!!11!!" (including the women who don't like Hillary, apparently)

You're right.... I have no proof. But I've moderated and administrated enough websites myself over the years to know how to recognize posting styles of certain people.

As I've said, there are Clinton supporters and there are Hillbots. The difference between them is obvious. This site has both. That site seems to have nothing but the latter category.

[Marrah_G]

169. If they are breaking the rules here then alert

I still do not know why anyone cares what someone posts on another site. Some people on this site have gone so far as to stalk and spy on other DUers. It is strange and bizarre behavior.

DU can control what is said here on this board. Period.

Here is an example ( I am so going to regret this):

Some DUers support, donate and campaign for Cindy Sheehan. She is running as a third party against a sitting Dem. It is against the rules to campaign for her here or try to further support for her via this website. HOWEVER, there is nothing that says a poster cannot support her on other sites and simply avoid the topic here on DU because it is against the rules. What someone does on another site is their own business. Not yours. Who someone donates to is their business, not yours.

[newmajority]

There's a difference between Cindy Sheehan and John McCain

I'm not advocating her campaign, but at least she's on our side. Grandpa McLoon wants 100 years of war, and continuation of the failed economic policies of the Bush Crime Family.

[Marrah_G]

181. I give up......I think we are having completely different conversations.

Not worth the arguing, imho.

Have a nice day :)

[olkaz]

156. Maybe you forgot, they're donating to McCain.

"What proof do you have that anyone there posts here?"

They mention DU **all** the time. They started that site as a reaction to DU being too pro-Obama for them. Remember their ill-fated DU boycott? If that's not enough, I can search through their board I guess for specific instances.

"And beyond that it doesn't fucking matter if they did"

Well, jeez, why'd you ask?

"Perhaps I should spend some time searching for crazy Obama supporter sites. You know they are out there. Then we can fake some hysterics,"

Wait, are you thinking that I went over there and did this? Um, no. I just like watching what gets said over there.

I think you're missing the point. They're DONATING TO MCCAIN.

[Marrah_G]

161. They "say" they are donating to McCain- I doubt they are

They are a handful of people on an internet website.

If they choose to donate to McCain then that is their business. I think they are silly for doing it. But it's not my business to tell others who to support.

Not sure why you are flipping out over a few people on a message board who think differently then you do.

[olkaz]

167. I'm not flipping out any more than I would if Free Republic started sending money to Obama

Say what you will about it just being a website. I know. People can lie, it's true. We can't prove it either way.

But it is bizarre enough to be notable. And I'm not the only one who thinks so.

And also, it is my business to tell people to support Democrats. You should make it your business too.

[Marrah_G]

171. You can suggest, you can try to persuade- but you can't tell someone to support us.

[genna]

218. Fallacious argument on its substance and on its history

Did any of the Dixie Crats win large percentages of black voters after 1968? How about when they switched parties and became Republicans?


Why she or any other Democrat believe that African Americans don't read the paper, listen to the news, and absorb quotes like this for the LONG HAUL is OUTSIDE MY UNDERSTANDING?

After that Harvey Gant candidacy in North Carolina, Willie Horton on Dukakais, or the black hands ad in South Carolina, did those African Americans vote Republican again?


The problem I have is that any of these people think African Americans are not thinking or listening to what the candidates say for ourselves. How will Hillary Clinton going to places where Black people live (this person is assuming we reside in cities ONLY which is a fallacy in and of itself)affect our votes? There are plenty of African American people in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania too. Their numbers didn't tip the election there or any other state.

No, this whole argument relies on the notion that African American voters won this campaign for Obama. It is not true. We did help but we could not do it by ourselves. A large proportion of white voters had to vote for Obama in order for him to win.

Since they have not pointed out that there was a problem with the voting machines or in preccincts, where do the election rolls say all these voters come from that were not African American?

The sole purpose of these race centered diatribes are: he is black, black people support him, white people shouldn't. I would not say that every Hillary Clinton supporter believes that, but I would say that Hillary Clinton's campaign benefits by embracing those people that do. It was Hillary Clinton who first announced the denounce and reject language for race baiting in regards to Tim Russert's debate questions. I think that the Democratic party should denounce and reject dumbing down the African American pool of voters by saying we don't have a long memory.

We do.

The overwhelming number of African Americans have been loyal to the Democratic party since JFK in 1960. When the Dixie Crats jumped out of the Democratic party, the vast majority of African Americans filed into their slots replacing their votes.

Our voting records remain strong to the Democrats.

The campaign which has been run within the Democratic primary using African Americans as foils is deplorable. We are not going anywhere. We will remember how Hillary Clinton tried to win this primary whether she comes to town or she remains on the back of those pick up trucks.

[LaurenG]

63. Just PM Skinner with the names if you know who they are

that will make the mods job a lot easier should they start to act up. This is Democratic Underground not "I'm a weasel and I'll hurt you any way I can Underground".

[QueenOfCalifornia]

64. It's the

ostrich complex.

Sticking your head in the sand does not mean it is not real.

In fact, many Europeans said exactly what you just wrote in the 1930's and '40's about the rise and take over by Nazi Germany.

They, the people on that board? They are the people who support Hillary and the further, entrenched occupation of the Middle East.

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

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[AllentownJake]

43. Your so right.

You also forgot to mention that 78% of Obama voters are actually vampires the other 22% are werewolves...why do we allow the undead and half breeds the right to vote.

[Name removed]

46. Deleted message

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[Shae]

47. You really should consider sobering up before you post.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

60. We're not trolls, we're gargoyles.

GARGOYLES!

[olkaz]

62. Oh man, I need to go back through and watch that stuff again.

UNCHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!

[TK421]

202. DARKSIDED!!!@@!@

SLYKNIKS!!!@!@

[onenote]

71. we need a new smilie for "drunk when posting"

Unless of course you simply forgot the sarcasm smilie.

[olkaz]

73. What did IGNORED say?

I'm missing out :(

[mtnsnake]

74. .

:evilgrin:

[AllentownJake]

76. That most of Obama supporters

are GOP trolls determined to overthrow the goddess of Peace in her campaign to liberate the people of Iran from the burdens of life.

[olkaz]

79. hahahahaha

Thank you. And well played.

[JerseygirlCT]

93. I'd like some statistical support for that pretty outrageous

accusation.

I doubt I'll see it though.

[mtnsnake]

101. It's within the margin of error

It might be as high as 80% or as low as 76.2%.

[JerseygirlCT]

112. And you're getting this number where?

Your source for any of those numbers?

[DefenseLawyer]

106. Looks like someone picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue

[beachmom]

130. 1.5 million donors to Obama's campaign. We're sending money to the DEMOCRAT. nt

[RandomKoolzip]

154. You're out of your fucking mind. Honestly.

This is Howard Hughes/Norma Desnond-style mental illness and denial on display here. Get help.

[DemVet]

162. True...damn true.

[Shae]

44. Makes me wonder

where their alliances were all along.

[rAVES]

67. To the White Race, no doubt.

[Breeze54]

48. Link doesn't work....

:shrug:

[olkaz]

57. Link fixed, their website is running on an Atari 2600

It seems it's not quite up to par.

[Breeze54]

65. What a bunch of losers and I'm betting they're all Repukes and always were!

Thanks for fixing the link. :hi:

It says at the bottom they're not affiliated with the HRC campaign. :eyes:

The Hillary Clinton Forum is Funded & Maintained by an Independent Volunteer.

(NB - This forum is 100% independent & does not have any affiliation with Hillary Clinton for President 2008)

[olkaz]

70. I know, and nobody has been able to find out exactly who this Murray guy is.

But he has an Australian email address.

Not sure if that means anything.

[AllentownJake]

80. Murray

Was at the Pot and Pan fun day.

From his post it appears he was a DUer who got tombstoned for saying positive things about McCain. Than went and founded his own site.

[olkaz]

87. That much I know

But I've been wondering if he has some sort of specific interest in Hillary winning, I don't know, had a job through their machine or something.

[Melinda]

211. Actually, I did a domain search a while back & found his full name, Calif address, & phone number

When and if search comes back, I'll locate the thread and pm it to ya if you'd like. ;)

[olkaz]

229. He's supposed to live in New York though I thought?

I just want to know if it's a real name, and try to figure out who he works for.

[mmonk]

50. Fine.

They will only hurt Hillary's coffers while they have to retire debt. I can't imagine they know they will hurt their own candidate.

[ElkHunter]

51. Hillary supporters now donating to McCain...

...obviously don't care how many people will die in Iraq as a result of their little temper tantrum. The fact that they are helping to insure a defacto Bush third term is of no real concern since these are the same type of people who helped Bush get elected by voting for Nader in 2000. A reactionaly Supreme Court able to overturn progressive legislation for a generation is irrelevant to those who put their own disappointment and hurt feelings above the needs of their country.

The ironic part of all this is that should these sore losers carry through with their with their tantrum, and Obama does indeed lose in November, rightly or wrongly Hillary will get much of the blame. That will mean that, thanks to her supporters, any aspirations she may have of being the Democratic presidential nominee in 2012 or beyond will come to an end.

[krkaufman]

52. If they do, they do.

And if the numbers of like-minded people are enough to throw the election to McCain, then this country will have once again earned its way a few rungs more down the economic ladder.

I can't completely disagree with this poster, though...

I'd rather the Democratic party start over from scratch (it's about time anyway).

There *may* be a realignment of voters and parties this Fall, with many Independents and disaffected Republicans shifting to the Democratic Party and center-Right Democrats finally throwing-off the Democratic disguise.

[L0oniX]

131. Center-Right Democrats finally throwing-off the Democratic disguise ...is what it is.

[invictus]

54. K & R

[LaurenG]

56. Well there are idiots everywhere

thankfully they are few in the big picture.

What moronic logic they use. They are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. :eyes:

[Independent-Voter]

68. Just a bunch of harpies, just like Hillary. I can't believe those assholes are donating to McCain

Actually, I take that back. Nothing surprises me with HRC supporters anymore.

[olkaz]

72. "You don't know the power of the dark side of the force."

The transformation is complete.

It started with bashing MSNBC. Then Air America. Then Keith Olbermann. Then going on to extol the values of Fox News, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and others.

Then attacking Dean. Attacking Pelosi. Attacking anything progressive. Agreeing with Rush Limbaugh. Wanting to see more of Reverend Wright. Wishing ill on the African Americans and the young. Trotting out diatribes about Obama being a muslim.

At this point, there is nothing left. Nothing to turn back to. The transformation is complete, and they are now Republicans.

[Independent-Voter]

77. Yep. Harpies aren't that bright you know.

[nolabels]

113. We are not channeling Darth Vader, please power down your light sabers

Reality imitating the icons in fantasy must be kind entertaining for the rest world. What else could explain them not making a run on the dollar :shrug:

[L0oniX]

133. And the dogs return to their own vomit !

[RandomKoolzip]

160. "Harpies" = sexism.

If you're going to insult Hillary, please do it without recourse to her gender. It's easy!

[Lerkfish]

75. I don't think this group if representative of all clinton supporters.

[olkaz]

78. They're not. I'm not claiming they are.

They're the trolls from DU that had a hilarious boycott and continue to disrupt and troll this forum while showing their true colors over there.

And when the mask slips, you see some scary things.

[gal]

82. Hmmm their whining and sulking.

Not to mention spewing the most delusional garbage i've seen yet.
If they really mean what their saying they will drop Hillary now and donate the maximum allowed to their new candidate.
He will need it...

[newmajority]

85. Back off the hostilities??

Those goddamned idiots on that board were never Democrats to begin with. And you KNOW some of them are posting here as well. As I've said before, there are Clinton supporters, and there are Hillbots. The Clinton supporters are rational, and they will come around. And we welcome them. But the Hillbots? They were never on our side to begin with.

Fuck 'em.

[Occam Bandage]

86. Wow. They crazy.

[ej510]

95. In their minds the first mistake Obama made was running and beating Hillary.

[olkaz]

139. EXACTLY. Jesus Christ could have ran against Hillary and they would have gone against him.

"What about that sermon on the mount? That's too EXTREME for America!"

"NO TO JESUS! NO NOW, NO FOREVER!"

[JerseygirlCT]

91. Wow. I don't know what to say to that kind of hate and stupidity. nt

[a kennedy]

98. Yikes, and it's really kinda scary to think they're democrates....

:scared:

[NYDem Observer]

94. I believe the OP in that thread was a McCain supporter

I bet they have a number of McCain supporters on that site masquerading as Hillary supporters, so they can get them to defect when the inevitable happens.

[Sundoggy]

97. Filth

Ya know, I've taken it from the right for too long. To the point where any righty confronting me in person would be taking a serious physical risk. I am NOT going to stand by quietly while supposedly fellow Democrats call me the "filth" that has taken over the party.

I'm 52 years old. I marched in peace marches. I was a Democrat before most of these zealots were even born, more than likely. I have raised a family of fine upstanding citizens with more in their public service resume ALREADY than most people have in their lifetime.

And I'm filth now, because I wouldn't vote for someone I have admired for many years, on account of her actions during the primary.

Hill, honey, I was with you all the way. YOU lost ME. And tell your friends to stop calling me names.

[SoFlaJet]

99. good post sundoggy

and welcome to the site-we're the same age and gender and I feel the same way. I've been called names here that I didn't even know the definition of...the codes words they all use now-plucked from the Taylor Marsh code book to be used to describe any of us that turned away from Clinton...words like vile and mysogonistic-shit like that

[genna]

220. Thanks for the nod to Taylor Marsh

I never read a word of what she had to say until you posted the Taylor Marsh code book . I would say she has more than a little distortion working for her.

I can't believe it.

I have heard people call them Hillbots, but I thought it was a little EXTREME. I didn't know anyone was writing this stuff in print or blogging for a major online source. I didn't know.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/dear-democratic-elite-ba_b_94004.html

If you continue to try to push Hillary Clinton out of the primary race before a clear winner emerges, you're going to accomplish one of two things, neither of which have anything to do with your actual goal. Taking myself out of this equation entirely, if the Obama elite keep pushing their agenda here's what you'll get:

1. Clinton supporters will harden further against voting for Obama if he becomes the nominee. (Hillary fans are already close to this, so don't push them any further, because you can't win in November without them, especially after Obama's Rev. Wright pastor disaster, which is already causing problems in the larger electorate.)


2. Clinton supporters will protest your overbearing and undemocratic interventionism by casting a protest vote for John McCain. (Lunch bucket and Reagan Dems don't trust McCain on the economy, but Clinton's their man in this race, because they believe she's the one who can get us out of this economic mess, but they hate elitist political snobs even more, so voting for a heroic veteran like McCain won't be that hard for them, especially if these same people took their vote away, too.)

I can't believe the stuff that HuffPo has on their site that she wrote.

It is vitriolic, toxic and off putting. No wonder you guys beat these people back the way you do. They think Obama is the racist?

By what standard?

[L0oniX]

102. So what do you think of Regan Democrats? Just asking.

[olkaz]

119. Me?

I wish they were real Democrats?

I think they're opportunists with no real values.

Why?

[L0oniX]

138. Seems that the M$M bring them up sometimes and I consider them to be part of what weakens...

the Democratic party.

[olkaz]

141. I think it's important not to completely demean them, but...

They need to be brought around to the right side.

But, honestly, I think there are just X amount of Democrats who are just selfish, stupid, and will go with the crowd (even when it involves a Republican). I won't lie, I have these people in my family. I love them, but they need constant reminding of what is really important.

[L0oniX]

158. Aren't they for the idea of trickle down economics which IMO has played a big part of the economic..

disaster we face now? It turns out that the rich ended up just taking more. Maybe I don't have the correct definition of Regan Democrats.

[ampad]

105. Something tells me

This is the fraction of the party that Hillary supporters and Hillary keeps talking about when they say "working white class". I honestly believe this is a myth because I don't think that for a moment that just because your a working white person you will not support Obama because he is black. I think there are some out there who would not and I think some of them probably found a home on that forum you posted. I say let their stupid asses go and don't put Hillary on the ticket to appease them. They bring nothing to the party but ignorance and they need to be weeded out asap.

[high density]

110. Good for them?

The Clinton campaign knew the rules going into the race. They knew there would be caucuses. Last summer they knew FL and MI would not count. They knew the race was for delegates given the DNC rules, not popular vote, the electoral college, or delegates under the Republican primary rules. They knew pledged delegates would be awarded even if the state was red or small.

These people are nuts if they now think they can strong arm a political party into giving the nomination to somebody who has failed the "winning" metric in every way. No way are the super delegates going to vote against somebody like Obama who has successfully beaten the biggest political brand out there and raised millions in cash beyond that brand.

[Quixote1818]

111. That is fucking disgusting!

[Deep13]

114. EDIT: The typeface was almost the same color as the background.

So I didn't see it.

Also, I mistakenly thought that was the Capital Hill website which is closed to the public. Sorry.

[slick8790]

117. You're delusional.

You didn't even click the OP's link, did you?

[Deep13]

125. It was blocked. You need to sign in to peruse it.

Consequently, I'm pretty sure you did not see it either.

[olkaz]

129. It's not blocked. I just clicked through it twice.

WTF are you even talking about?

Everybody on this thread was able to read it!

[thewiseguy]

121. Actually there was another thread there that urged switching parties

[olkaz]

123. Did you even click through the link?

The link has a poster saying that he/she donated to McCain!

How freaking difficult is this?

[Sundoggy]

126. Ever heard of...

LOSING gracefully?

Push the button, Frank.

[Deep13]

132. There's nothing graceful about defeat.

You cannot blame people for the urge to fight on.

[Sundoggy]

134. Very true

I can, however, blame them for putting on the coats of the enemy, to continue the fight metaphor.

Perhaps you're familiar with the common term for this action?

[Deep13]

140. Your unspoken assumption is that D. voters owe the party loyalty.

The party owes loyalty to the voters, not the other way around. Consequently, they cannot be traitors. The R.s are another party, not "the enemy" in any militaristic sense. I have supported the party and candidates. I have no duty to continue to do so. In fact, I won't except for usually voting for them. Otherwise the cash spigot is off.

For someone who favors a bottom-up candidate your assumptions about party loyalty are pretty surprising.

[Sundoggy]

145. You completely misunderstand me

Such people are turncoats to their CAUSE. They have abandoned the larger fight for an opportunity to express their spite.

This is not adult behavior.

[Deep13]

172. What cause is that?

Better government? There are two choices in November. If for whatever reason a previously D. voter cannot pull a lever for Obama either because for his lack of experience or because s/he honestly thinks he ran a dishonest campaign, there is only one other choice.

I think it is a safe bet that my cause is not your cause, at least not exactly, so why don't we leave the personal attacks out of it?

[Sundoggy]

175. If you've interpreted

my remarks as a personal attack, my humble apologies. The time for such nonsense is over.

Most of us Democrats hold to a core set of values. Most of us would rather hold to that set of values rther than throw them away in a show of sheer spite.

If voting for John McCain doesn't offend whatever set of internal values you have, by all means I encourage you to do so. But I would also encourage you to ask yourself why, then, you hang out with Democrats.

[Deep13]

184. I didn't say I'm voting for McCain.

Here's where I am right now.

My perception is that Obama won this fight dishonestly. He orchestrated the slander against HC through anonymous surrogates while maintaining plausible deniability for himself. They essentially ran O's critics, many of whom have a long history in this party, out of the party with arguments like what you are making now. The message was clear: support HC and you are no better than the war-criminal Bush. This message was often expressed with misogynistic implications.

So for O supporters to get on their high horses now and chastise us for disloyalty is pretty fucking outrageous. You all made it very clear that you don't want us in the party. You betrayed us, not the other way around.

So I'm left with this choice. On one hand enable the foregoing behavior by rewarding it. At the same time give real power to these lock-step, uncritical fans who have unconditional loyalty to O. All the while putting someone in office who has no idea how to run this country.

On the other hand, elect someone with a lot of experience, not much idolizing, but who will continue the war and our spiral into debt, at least if he does what he says he'll do.

That's the choice I'm stuck with and I don't know which of these two assholes will be less evil.

[redqueen]

185. "I don't know which of these two assholes will be less evil."

Oh.

My.

Fucking.

God.

[gulfcoastliberal]

226. Reality is tough for those in the last throes of feverish delusions.

I absolutely loath the Clinton's (after seeing their true nature during the campaign), I think it's horrible for the country to be controlled by a plutocracy two elite families, and I think the Clinton's only represent and advance the interests of the top richest 1% and would thus continue fucking over the working and middle classes ("free trade")- but I'd still vote for hillary over mccain if that's what it came down to.

[redqueen]

236. It's nuts.

Flat-out nuts.

[Sundoggy]

186. Thanks... really...

Because I find all this fascinating. Disturbing, but fascinating. You REALLY don't see that some blame can be thrown her way too?

The rhetoric amazes me. We don't want you in the party? Excuse me? Did I miss a whole chapter here?

Keep in mind you're talking to a longtime Hillary supporter who simply changed his mind - we won't discuss why, because you will disagree. But all the vitriol really amazes me.

[redqueen]

190. I was leaning toward Hillary before I settled on Obama.

I was even called an Obama-hater, I was so "vicious" in inquiring about the dirt on him.

*sigh*

[Deep13]

192. I don't doubt that it amazes you.

I was for Richardson, then Biden, then Edwards, then finally for Hillary. I go by resume and Obama was the one guy I did not want.

[Sundoggy]

195. By now

I've seen enough, I think, to lay a judgement out there. My humble opinion only, of course.

You considered EVERY other Democrat... and when the one you DIDN'T want won... you're so mad you equate him with John McCain.

John McCain.

John... McCain. Say it out loud to yourself in front of a mirror. "Barack Obama is as evil as John... McCain."

If you can't see for yourself that that's barking mad...

My friend, please believe that I say this without the slightest animus: You are not a Democrat, and sure enough, I DON'T want you in the party. Very sorry to have to say that.

[redqueen]

146. The assumption is that they have values.

And that those values are why they chose Hillary as their candidate.

If they so easily switch to McCain, what does that say?

[Sundoggy]

148. Precisely

Otherwise, it's nothing but a cult of personality.

[Deep13]

174. It says Obama does not share their values.

You assume D.s all want the same thing, but we don't. The previous argument we had on this subject is illustrative of that.

[Sundoggy]

177. If you can vote for...

John McCain for president, you are not a Democrat, and probably never were.

How can this possibly not be clear? Are we in Bizzaro world suddenly?

[Sundoggy]

178. I'd be extremely interested...

.. in a list of the precise values that Barack has that so enrage you that you will vote for a Republican instead.

That's a reasonable request, I think?

Because in the absence of such a list, one would be justified in suspecting your motives, no?

[Deep13]

191. I don't recall saying I will vote for McC.

I probably won't, but I will have to see. I have not been concentrating on McC's record while the primary was on.

Anyway, I've explained myself at length on this website and nothing I say here, including my efforts on behalf of Jesse Jackson in 1988, are going to change your mind.

I'm not a "values" voter. That is something RQ brought up. I want someone who can manage the country and begin to fix some of the damage Bush has caused. I say begin because it is too severe to be reversed in one term and the next president, if successful, will be so unpopular because of the draconian steps taken to fix the country that s/he won't get another term. I know I don't want a great leader. There is nothing in the Constitution about the president being a leader. This is a republic and on good days a democracy. We don't need some kind of iconic figurehead. The best presidents have been the ones we have forgotten about because nothing catastrophic happened while they were in charge. That's what I want.

[Sundoggy]

193. That's all very interesting

...but I'd still like a direct answer to our perfectly reasonable follow-up to your post.

What EXACT qualities of Obama lead you to wonder who would be worse?

[redqueen]

180. What values do Clinton and McCain share, but Obama doesn't?

:wtf:

[Sundoggy]

182. Thanks, better put. Well?

[Deep13]

187. Is there any point talking to you about anything?

It's not always a question of who-do-I-like. For me and for many, it is simply a matter of making the best of what we have left. Anyway, you talk about this like we have some control over the outcome.

[Sundoggy]

188. Sorry

I thought we were doing pretty well at having a reasonable discussion.

Does that mean you won't answer the question?

[redqueen]

189. I'm asking you about the rationale you're trying to explain to us.

You claim that you understand why her voters would go to McCain.

Do you or do you not?

If you do, then explain what those values are, that they share with Hillary and McCain, but not Obama.

Otherwise, your rationale in trying to explain the actions of these people as somehow reasonable is blown out of the water.

[redqueen]

143. " I can't really blame McC for advertising nor HC supporters for going to him."

You can't blame HC supporters for going to him?

Really?

After she said herself that it wasn't the best idea? (My, how gently she put that...)

[bobbert]

116. Hillary's actual campaign has no relation to that forum

The front page says:
This discussion forum is not affiliated with, nor endorsed by, Hillary Clinton
Funded & Maintained by an Independent Supporter

She has never endorsed them or their views, and probably never will with crazy talk like that. Even if Hillary is the nominee like they want, they were just aiding the enemy.

[olkaz]

127. I know, I know

I'm not accusing Hillary of anything.

It's the Ex-Du'er looney bin's actions that interest me. And donating to McCain is of interest to a great many here.

[Lady-Damai]

118. I'm shocked! They should pay off the Goddess of Peace debt first!!!!!

[SanchoPanza]

137. The Personification of Irony just got a boner.

"We also need to make plans to get Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy out of the senate...Dean definitely has to go!..Pelosi is a jealous b#### who should be ashamed of herself..."

Indulging in misogynistic stereotypes to attack misogeny.

Genius.

[olkaz]

142. Nice catch.

I think you'll find that sort of thing ubiquitous over there; Sexism is used as a "one size fit all" excuse as to why people don't like Hillary, so much so that they forget what it even means.

And, like you pointed out, hilarity ensues.

(Oh yeah, bonus points for passages that are both sexist and racist.)

[genna]

221. Where is the link in the article you are referring to?

[Nine]

147. I should care about some nut on a forum NOT associated with HRC but not about this Obama quote?

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx

The lovey-doveyness of last night's debate may have come to an end. This morning, Obama said Clinton supporters would vote for him but the reverse would not be true...."I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

We've all seen the polls showing that a percentage of the supporters of BOTH candidates will not support the other one. So stop acting like it's all one-sided.

[olkaz]

150. Find me a link where Obama supporters are sending money to McCain.

And we'll continue from there.

[redqueen]

151. Nobody is acting like it's one-sided.

Both candidates have their loony supporters.

That site though? Beyond the pale...

[genna]

223. Context is important - Remember smear tactics work.

What is the date on that quote?

Why is that some wing nut site? What about Taylor Marsh on HuffPo? Is she a wingnut also?

Also, why is the date on that article January 2, 2008?

Did you include the statements where he clarified who he was talking about or are you on the road to taking part of a quote, attaching it to a circumstance that it does not reflect, and then saying we are all in the same boat?

"I don't take all the credit for the enormous upsurge in participation in the Democratic primaries and caucuses over the last four contests," Obama said while taking questions from reporters in Los Angeles. "But I think it's fair to say nobody has done more to engage and bring people in who otherwise would not participate."

Hillary is a much different candidate in May than she was in January. So is Obama. Los Angeles? What did Hillary say about Caucuses while she was in Iowa? Now she calls them unDemocratic.

[madrchsod]

159. ..crazy people do crazy things....

[dkf]

163. I hope they've maxed out to Hillary already.

Or are they deadbeats?

[olkaz]

170. Oh no, not deadbeats at all.

If you take some time looking through the forum, it's VERY evident that many of the members are pretty economically advantaged. Many have already hit their contribution limit, and some have offered to match donations from other members.

Some plead poverty, of course, but that seems to be more rare.

[dkf]

176. I avoid that place like the plague.

I've also made it a point to wipe the name and location of the forum out of my brain so I must confess I have no clue what is going on there.

[olkaz]

183. You're missing out.

It's either the most wildly disconnected-from-reality group of closeted racists and sexists who use every opportunity to prove how crazy they are OR the most talented internet trolls ever.

I love it and read it **every** day.

[avenger64]

166. Thanks for the link ...

... the myspace page is up there, for anyone who's interested.

[DangerousRhythm]

168. "Operation Independent"

"We've started a campaign for a MASS defection from the party, JUNE 1-8.

Please visit www.myspace.com/operation_independent"

This just plain REEKS of Dittohead to me, right down to the ridiculous name. I feel bad for any actual Hillary supporters who get suckered by this obvious ploy to funnel some money to McBush.

[olkaz]

173. "A fool and his money are soon parted"

I know it. I just hope they have the conscience to feel bad about it later.

[DangerousRhythm]

207. Indeed.

Only a fool would donate to McBush.

[my2cent]

200. Yes we are starting a operation independent.

and your point is?:rofl:

If not hillary, John Mccain 08!:toast:

[DangerousRhythm]

206. Your avatar is quite ironic.

Good luck!

[olkaz]

217. Alrighty, thanks for outing yourself.

This board is for Democrats. Empty your desk.

[LowerManhattanite]

219. Hmmmm... interesting. Noted. n/t

[LowerManhattanite]

238. Thank you, mods! :)

[dempartisan23]

179. they are slimeball scum

[Nine]

194. Really? This thread is not just an excuse to associate some loonies with Clinton and her supporters?

Well, there's certainly no shortage of people in this thread trying to make that connection:

Now we know the true character of her campaign
The interests of the Democratic party and our country were never their priority. It was all about her.

Exactly
These are the so called "white working class" that Hillary, the media and her DU supporters are so damn concerned about. I say fuck them and let them go the way of the dark side. Why should we bow to them because they are bigots, why reward that sickness.

This has been obvious for quite sometime.
The only possible motive that hillary and her supporters could have for continuing this charade is to ensure that Obama loses in the GE so that hillary has a shot in 2012. They're despicable.

Exactly. That's why Hillary's base is older white women who are scared of young blacks because they are ignorant and probably watch too much "cops" on tv

Just a bunch of harpies, just like Hillary. I can't believe those assholes are donating to McCain
Actually, I take that back. Nothing surprises me with HRC supporters anymore.

But thanks to the posters on here who acknowledged those people are NOT representative of most Hillary supporters.

[LizW]

235. Of course it is. The daily circle-jerk of hate. n/t

[Califooyah Operative]

196. Wow.

all the comments that I read were essentially in agreement.

[anigbrowl]

197. I sense the hand of the GOP

either by infiltrating or even setting up these sites (eg one where the admins are totally anonymous and the domain registration details are secret). The GOP plainly saw some time ago that Obama was winning the race.

[genna]

198. who is this group HillaryForum?

What have they done for Democrats in the past? (As long as I could vote for a Democrat, I have voted for the Democrat. Keep in mind all I have done is contribute to John Kerry's campaign in 2004, wear Democratic pins, argue with Republicans, and make it my business to argue against hate. I have not done the kind of shoe leather work these hard working Democrats have done in the past.)

Have they worked like the Deaniacs to press for change?
Have they worked like MoveOn.org to make sure Bill Clinton was not removed from office?

If they are not shown their medal by pressing the flesh, canvassing for votes, and making sure there is a ground swell of support for Democrats, why does their opinion and subsequent defection matter to the rest of us who have and will campaign for Democrats especially FOR THOSE DLC members we disagree with?

[onenote]

199. am I surprised about anything I see on the Internet? No.

Do I think its reflective of even a tiny percentage of HRC's supporter? No.

[Nine]

210. thank you (nt)

[my2cent]

201. lmfao

:rofl: :rofl: :spray:

[Vinca]

203. Guess they don't care if they have health insurance or not. nt

[Hugabear]

204. Those fucking traitors are NOT Democrats - they're Hillary fanboys

If you needed any evidence to that effect, you have it there.

[Cheap_Trick]

205. They haven't jumped the shark

They've jumped the couch. You know, that Tom Cruise moment that cements their batshit craziness.

[pdx_prog]

212. Wow....there are some

very angry and very confused people on that site...

[Arrowhead2k1]

213. You think that's bad, check out this site.

http://www.stop-obama.org/
:puke:

[olkaz]

216. Good freaking god!

Why would those people attach their names and pictures?!

Good lord, that is some nasty BS. And pretty bad writing, honestly.

[genna]

224. This site isn't about politics, it is about fear.

Why hasn't Hillary Clinton spoken out against this kind of b.s.? I've heard her continue to say voters are welcome to vote for any reason they want.

We are talking Black Nationalism, and oodles to the nth power of White Shame inducing Dead White Brains…cluck cluck cluck…where has all that cognition gone?

This is DEPLORABLE SPEECH. I still believe in having the Freedom to say things that I personally find are OFFENSIVE, cruel and vile.

I feel like it boils down to what you stand up for and who you stand against. I stand against racist ridiculing rants like these.

[olkaz]

228. Seriously, it's that type of thing I would expect from white power groups.

It is freaking bizarre that these people are supposed to be sharing a party with us.

Ugh.

[ObamaKerryDem]

227. They must not care much about things like Universal Healthcare..

ending the war, etc, etc...if they're willing to do that, all because they're pissed she wasn't just handed the nomination (there is SUCH a sense of entitlement there). :eyes:


Lame.

[olkaz]

231. It's a situation where their emotional involvement with Hillary has trumped reality and values.

I hope they can come out of the funk in time.

[ObamaKerryDem]

232. I'm reading hillaryclintonforum.net right now and it's disgusting..

talking about how Obama "cheated" in Texas (party rules are a bitch, eh, Hillbots? :eyes:); a lot of them are even listening to Rush Limbaugh and looking for ways to dig up dirt on Obama, actually taking him seriously. After he smeared their king and queen for the entire 8 year term! Don't they see that his and other Right wingers "support" for her is designed to help defeat us in November? Even if she did get the nomination, they'd turn on her in a heartbeat. They clearly think she's the weakest candidate and with her behavior in this campaign and the way she has disgusted so much of her own base, along with her already limited cross over appeal, they are probably right. I can't believe these idiots take that fat fuck seriously! LOL! It's like they'd rather sabotage the whole damn thing and all the issues they claim to care about, all because they're pissed their goddess didn't win...they remind me of obsessed fans or groupies, not people who truly care about what this party stands for. Now I realize not all Hillary supporters think like them, they are probably a minority, but still....it's damn annoying. And I thought the Bushbots were bad...

With "Democrats" like them, who needs Republicans? :thumbsdown:

[Thrill]

230. Enjoy McCain when he sends your kids to Iran

[jjchvz]

233. Maybe some people just don't trust Obama?

[Forkboy]

240. That's ok, but why help/trust McCain instead?

[lumberjack_jeff]

237. The note of triumphalism in this thread over alienating self-identified democrats is distressing.

Winning isn't enough, I guess. The losers must be vanquished.

It is long past time to back off the hostilities.

[Forkboy]

239. Why are self-identified Democrats willing to help McCain?

:shrug: