Time to put the electability nonsense to bed- NOW!

[NJmaverick]

If Obama isn't electable, what does that make the woman that LOST to him????????

[aquarius dawning]

1. The GE electorate composition is far different than the primary electorate composition.

But don't listen to me, you'll see what I'm talking about in Nov.

[NJmaverick]

4. Yes many of the people voting for Hillary will vote republican in November

[maddiejoan]

7. only if Obama is the nominee

[NJmaverick]

9. that's where the fallacy lies

A look back over the past 20 years show this group does not stay with the Dems, come November. If Bill Clinton couldn't keep them, what makes you think Hillary will?

[maddiejoan]

13. Because that group happens to despise McCain

[NJmaverick]

15. Now the hard core Repukes don't LIKE McCain (although they HATE Hillary)

McCains public perception of being a bipartisan moderate will really appeal to those voters. Hillary will pretty much lose all of them, as the polls have shown.

[Mezzo]

17. and they hate Barack Hussein Obama even more, and you know it

and if you think that he doesn't morph into a radical muslim, you are nuts.

[NJmaverick]

20. Obama has shown to have very strong appeal with independents and Republicans

He will in voters Hillary couldn't dream of. Hillary has negatives that are way too high, to ever accomplish this.

As for your fantasies about being Muslim, well they are just that fantasies.

[aquarius dawning]

34. Here we go again. When they vote for Barack, it "strong appeal" but when they vote for Hillary

it's "Rush Limpballs and his god damned operation chaos". :shakesfistinanger

[NJmaverick]

36. Have you ever even talked to a republican???? have you seen them get all fired up

talking about Hillary? Then there is Obama that is respectful to both sides. He is respectful of faith and he is someone that has personal appeal that goes beyond politics.

Hillary is lacking in all of that. The only emotion she can elicit outside the Democrats is anger.

[aquarius dawning]

41. I know lots of Republicans. They don't like Hillary or Obama.

and they'll be voting for McCain this November.

[NJmaverick]

42. Dislike or hate Hillary?

[aquarius dawning]

47. I'm talking toone onthe phone right now. He hates Obama and voted for Hillary in the Ohio Primary

He's bitching about Obama right now and the Indiana/North Carolina results. Hillary was the first Democrat he has ever voted for as far as I know. He'll be voting McCain and donating to him too. Same with all his friends. Obama is depsised in these parts of Ohio.

[aquarius dawning]

19. which polls are those. let's see 'em.

[maddiejoan]

23. I think you're dead wrong.

[NJmaverick]

Based on what I am hearing in the news, you are in the diminishing minority

which is a good thing

[maddiejoan]

37. Being in the minority

Story of my life, and seldom an indicator that I'm wrong.

[NJmaverick]

38. well it's hardly an indicator that you are right

[aquarius dawning]

18. You should pay more attention to what Al and John could and couldn't do

at this point. And, FYI, Bill Clinton won...twice.

[NJmaverick]

21. Al Gore won and John Kerry almost unseated a war time president

that's pretty damn impressive. In fact I believe they both got a higher percentage of votes than Bill (who won with less than 50%, thanks to Ross Perot siphoning off a significant percentage of GOP voters)

[aquarius dawning]

40. Gore lost florida by about 400 votes and it was debatable. Kerry lost Fla. by about 400,000 votes

That wasn't debatable. Gore lost Ohio by about 180,000 votes. Kerry lost Ohio by over 100,000 votes. Gore lost Missouri by about 79,000 votes. Kerry lost it by about 200,000 votes. The polling data you tried to cite earlier strongly suggests that Obama can't beat McCain in Ohio or Florida or Missouri. So, he loses the three biggest swing states and the two most accurate bellwether states in the country. He has to win Virginia, Mississippi, Colorado, New Mexico, and North Carolina to make up for losing just Ohio and Florida. He won't do that. Sorry. And, even if he does, there's still the matter of Missouri. That's another 11 electoral votes he will have to make up with red states. Frankly, I don't even think it's going to be close.

[NJmaverick]

43. No he didn't, not with a proper recount and that doesn't include the thousands of votes lost

to the infamous butterfly ballot.

Nice of you to distort the facts to fit your opinion.

[aquarius dawning]

46. What happened in 2004 then when he lost by 400,000 votes?

I didn't distort facts. I said that 2000 was debatable but there's still the matter of 2004 and Ohio and Missouri. You're making poor excuses.

[maddiejoan]

2. Primary battle is very different than the GE

so you are comparing apples and giraffes

[NJmaverick]

5. uh- NO!

[maddiejoan]

6. very articulate

but sadly --I am right --and if Obama is our nominee --we will lose --and lose horribly.

[NJmaverick]

10. It was such an out of touch statement, that it really didn't need more than that

but if you insist, there is a reason why both parties go through this exercise and just don't have the party leader appoint their nominee.

[maddiejoan]

12. There is also a reason that we have SDs

BTW this is an interesting look at two different futures.

Clinton against McCain
http://hominidviews.com/?p=1503

Obama against McCain
http://hominidviews.com/?p=1504

[NJmaverick]

14. Yes we have SDs to counter Repuke mischief like that inspired by Rush Limbaugh

[maddiejoan]

24. Nonsense

Operation Chaos is just a cover for LImbaugh to explain why Republicans are jumping ship to the Democratic Party

[k8conant]

8. Hillary = apple Obama = giraffe

Giraffes eat leaves and twigs off trees. Apples fall from trees.

[NJmaverick]

11. then the apples rot and smell

[Aloha Spirit]

3. Obama's uh support uh among um working, uh hard working Americans, White Americans, is um weakening

[Mezzo]

16. Oppressed by the stench of widespread sexism.

That is what it makes her.

[NJmaverick]

22. So how does that make her electable?!?!?!?!?!

[madinmaryland]

25. If she wants to talk about the issues and how the dems

differ from John McCain, fine. If all she is going to do is go negative (or continue to) against Obama, then she needs to get the f*** out of the race.

Any free air time given to someone to talk about the John W. McCain negatives is a good thing.

[NJmaverick]

29. Right now I think she should be getting the same air time as Mike Huckabee

They both have the same chance of winning their party's nomination. Mike's might actually be a bit better as McCain doesn't look too good.

[PBS Poll-435]

26. Broader Appeal - Not Pandering to the Activists

:rofl:

But seriously. You move left during a primary and back to the center in the GE.

She didn't move left because she wanted to preserve the GE.

[NJmaverick]

30. Hillary moved and pandered where ever she thought it would get her votes

She was all over the map and her gas tax stunt was what sealed the deal for Obama

[PBS Poll-435]

27. Oh...And By the Way...

That was a short 24 hours!


:evilgrin:

[NJmaverick]

31. 25 hours, was hardly short and I have to say you Hillary people

didn't exactly do yourself proud in that time period

[PBS Poll-435]

39. Broad Brush

Ugly Paint

[NJmaverick]

44. It looked better than what it was covering

[DCofVA]

28. If a black man can become the Governor of Virginia,

the former Capital of the Confederacy, a state that is only 20 percent black.
Then, a black man will not have any problem being elected as President of United States.
Any body who says he can’t win because he is black, is not very knowledgeable of our history, and will be in for a surprise this November, when Obama wins by a landslide!

[NJmaverick]

33. One problem that has always hurt the Dems was poor voter turn out amoung blacks

I have always felt that was because the Dems took their support for granted. That's not going to happen this year and that is going to put much of the South in play.

[kentuck]

32. Good advice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5870820&mesg_id=5870820

[hokies4ever]

35. Is un-un-electable the same as electable?

Like, do 2 negatives make a positive, or 2 wrongs make a right? :rofl:

[NJmaverick]

45. That could be the "logic" they are working with