Clinton Era is Coming to an End - The newly registered Dems would not support her in the GE

[powergirl]

This has makes clear to me what I have worried about since the onset of this electing. Obama is responsible for the new voter registrations and the surge of registered Democrats in this country. Clinton has consistently benefited from suppressed voter turnout. In the GE we need all of those new voters with us and Obama is the one that can get us there.


"'New generation of political leaders' “There is going to be a new set of people running the show,” said Simon Rosenberg, the executive director of the New Democratic Network, a political action organization not affiliated with any candidates. “The Clintons and their allies have been running the show for 16 years. You’re going to see a new generation of political leaders coming to the fore. It’s going to create an upheaval.” Gary Hart , a former Colorado senator who ran for president in 1984 and is supporting Mr. Obama, said: “At least half the Obama administration, if he is elected, will be people in the White House for the first time: cabinet members and senior appointees.”

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"But Mr. Obama’s move to the brink of the nomination was fraught with symbolism and evidence of a party in transition. A first-time presidential candidate, he has so far outmaneuvered the vaunted Clinton political machine. He positioned his candidacy as a repudiation of the kind of politics the Clintons practiced and a generational break. And he drew thousands of new voters and donors into his fold, giving the party a fresh face and new energy.

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"Mr. (Gary) Hart recalled that after a similarly divisive primary battle against Walter F. Mondale in 1984, he made a point of throwing all his effort into trying to get his supporters behind Mr. Mondale. In that case, Mr. Hart was more equivalent to Mr. Obama than Mrs. Clinton, having drawn new voters into the primary system.

“I went to the platform and moved his nomination by acclamation,” Mr. Hart recalled. “And then I went out and did over 40 campaign events for him on my own. And I was not able to move the younger and independent voters, as the results made clear.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24513753/

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[Evergreen Emerald]

1. Obama did not bring out the new voters--Bush did

Americans are tired of the Bush BS and came out enmasse to put a stop to his overthrow of America.

Well, Bush DID say he was a uniter.

[powergirl]

2. The younger voters represent the majority of the newly registered Democrats

And those voters overwhelmingly support Obama. In Indiana, in particular, the polls stated that if the turn out was lower, and fewer "new" registered Democrats voted, Cliton's chances increased exponentially. Not a good record for the GE. She is not the one who was pushing for new voters. It has always been primarily an Obama effort. You can see this in the amount of fundraising he has achieved from younger voters as well.

There is no denying, that Bush helped Obama out with this one. He sucked so bad, Obama made it easy for new Dems to register. But, again, Clinton wasn't interested in that for the primary b/c those voters do not support her by the margin of their support for Obama.

[TwilightGardener]

3. Bullshit. Obama did.

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. Oh, I see. Now that you have laid out your argument supported with facts

I see what you mean. (oh brother).

[TwilightGardener]

6. Provide a link to your assertion that Obama is not responsible at all for

the record turnout and new registrations this primary season.

[karynnj]

12. where are your facts - exit polls do back their contention

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. They are supporting dems who will make changes

They are coming to the democratic caucuses in record numbers. The support for Clinton and Obama is nearly tied...

Bush untied the Americans.

[powergirl]

15. First, look at the OP

It explains that Gary Hart got new and younger Democratic voters to register. But he could not get them to vote for the Dem Nominee.

"Mr. (Gary) Hart recalled that after a similarly divisive primary battle against Walter F. Mondale in 1984, he made a point of throwing all his effort into trying to get his supporters behind Mr. Mondale. In that case, Mr. Hart was more equivalent to Mr. Obama than Mrs. Clinton, having drawn new voters into the primary system.

“I went to the platform and moved his nomination by acclamation,” Mr. Hart recalled. “And then I went out and did over 40 campaign events for him on my own. And I was not able to move the younger and independent voters, as the results made clear.”



Second, as an example only, in the state of Pennsylvania, Obama did better with the younger voters and the newly registered Dems - there are many others - and the Clinton campaign ADMITS that the newly registered Dems and youngervoters favor Obama:


"A poll of those switchers and new registrants released by Madonna last week found that Obama was the preferred candidate for 62 percent of them. Clinton insiders said they are also bracing for the same 60-40 split among newly registered Democrats.

Depending on turnout, Madonna said, those newcomers could help Obama cut a Clinton victory margin by 2 to 3 percentage points and keep her below a double-digit win that would breath new life into the hard-fought race.

“It’s another important factor working in his favor,” Madonna said.

Clinton is still favored to win the state. But Politico’s analysis illustrates how the geographic concentrations of new Democrats could make a difference, if turnout is high among them."


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9735.html

[karynnj]

11. Everyone knows Bush can not run again

Obama did bring out new voters - look at the huge numbers compared to 2004, which was much higher than 2000. Kerry, to his credit, worked via correspondence using his email list worked hard to keep people involved and active after losing - this was likely MOST important for those who joined new in 2004 because of Bush.

It is beyond time to bury the "Anybody But Bush" meme - that was pushed constantly by Begala and Carville, among others during the general election in 2004. In EVERY election, there are a huge number of people who are almost by default for one party or the other. The "anybody but ...." was always a PRIMARY label - when the frontrunner is less acceptable than a set of similar people polling lower. I remember Anybody but Carter and Anybody but Clinton (in the 1992 PRIMARY). As these 2 Clintonistas were among the few Democrats on TV they did Kerry an enormous disservice. In the general election they went with snarky attacks on Bush (that were fun for us but won no one not already against Bush and whines about how Kerry was ABB and not like Clinton (a fact - one that many of us liked) They did NOTHING to repeat Kerry's programs or message - Carville has said the word SCHIP hundreds of times this year - but didn't mention healthcare in 2004, though Kerry had at least as much to do with the Kennedy/Hatch bill as HRC. (Parts of it were written by him)

But, at least in 2004, Bush was in the picture - he isn't this year. In fact, if Obama did NOT excite a whole lot of new people - HRC would already be the nominee. Obama's win is in part because of the new voters he brought to the process. If it were Bush, wouldn't they have gone to the various candidates in a more even way?

[powergirl]

18. If Obama did NOT excite a whole lot of new people - HRC would already be the nominee.

Well stted karynnj. I wish I had some emoticon that said "duh!" :)

[Catherina]

17. You think so? The ONLY reason I looking at Democrats this year

is because of Obama. Fot that same old, same old style of politics, I'll leave you to your same old, same old voters.

[AllentownJake]

5. Difference in Campaigns

In PA Obama spent 5 weeks before the election deadline registering voters. Hillary spent one weekend.

[powergirl]

7. Exactly

So it really shows who is more interested in getting more actual voters for the GE. It's the Obama effort that has made the Republicans terrified.

[invictus]

8. K & R. GOBAMA!

[WA98296]

9. Look out DLC...your days are coming to an end, a candidate at a time

[mod mom]

16. and not too soon. Now we need to find progressives to run against DLC incumbents like Wasserman-

Scultz who refuse to endorse fellow Dems because they are running against her GOP friends!

[powergirl]

19. Why don't those DLC nerds just join the RNC

and come out of the freakin' closet. Jeeez!

[ShortnFiery]

10. You got that right! Thank GOD that our youth does not prize nepotism and political royals.

Go to the UK if you get off on placing our political beasties on a pedestal. :eyes:

[ccharles000]

14. I am newly registered and love Hillary.