Has Obama ever ONCE cited his 90% Black vote and claimed that is reason not to vote for Hillary?

[wndycty]

That is essentially what Hillary is doing when she talks about her ability to get the white working class vote as a reason not to vote for Obama. Lets acknowledge that when given a choice between Democrats they will choose Hillary. But I'm confident that if the choice is between Obama and McCain the majority of them would choose Obama.

We know that there are a number of racists who will not vote for Obama. But when you think about if Hillary wants us to believe that her white supporters will not support Obama she, NOT OBAMA, is calling her white supporters racist.

[Bensthename]

1. exactly, she thinks she has the racist base Obama can not get..

that is a bad way for her to get support.

[wndycty]

2. And to top it off she is the one implying they are racist! LOL

:kick:

[Texas Hill Country]

8. no, she isnt.

[wndycty]

13. Yes she is. . .

. . .she is singling out the white vote, implying that Obama can't get it therefore she is calling those voters racist.

[frickaline]

25. Maybe you can help me understand this

Hillary clearly has a group of supporters voting for her purely on race (mixed with non-racist support to be sure). How does this make Hillary herself racist?

I see this all the time on this board but I don't see the logic there.

[stillcool]

32. Hillary is slicing apart..

the electorate in order to promote the idea that she has support. She is dismissing the rest of the Democratic Party as marginal, compared to her prowess at garnering the 'blue collar white vote'. Black votes regardless of education or class do not matter, and apparently don't work "hard". And I guess white educated middle and upper class voters don't matter either, and don't work "hard" either.

[wndycty]

33. Exactly, its obvious Obama gets 90% of the Black vote yet he does not use that point. . .

. . .to divide us. Hillary is using her lock on the white vote to divide us and more importantly she is implying that many of her white voters are racist.

[frickaline]

35. I see what you are saying but I'm still not completely convinced

She can only defend herself with the demographics that support her. It seems to me that she is clearly taking crude advantage of the racism in our country (which is pretty low) but I'm not sure its exactly racist mentality so much as 'win at all cost' political sleaze. It is divisive, though, for sure.

And by the way, Obama using that quote wouldn't help his campaign, so I'm not sure its a fair comparison. This is her last remaining argument for remaining in the race while Obama's whole message is unity. He's not making that argument because it would destroy him, not because he's 'holding back'.

[wndycty]

47. I'm not accusing her of being racist, I am however taking issue with any Democrat

Exploiting race in the way that she is.

[frickaline]

51. ah ok, then I agree 100% nt

[The Night Owl]

44. If Barack Obama were to point out that he is getting a nearly all of the black vote...

...would he be making a racist statement or a statement of fact?

[PoliticalAmazon]

23. EXACTLY. n/t

[SwampG8r]

22. it also says

between the lines
that she can do as she wishes with the AA voters as they will fall in line
(as usual) for the GE

[northzax]

3. newsflash

African Americans are 13% of the population and less than ten percent of the electorate.

[NJSecularist]

4. Thank you. You are 100% correct. n/t

[skipos]

17. Yes! Screw Black People! Clinton/Duke 08! nt

[NJSecularist]

19. I never said such a thing. n/t

[madrchsod]

34. well maybe

those guys are having a hard time on if they should back obama so they can hasten the race war..yes..it`s kinda like the rapture guys praising the jews to destroy them...

[SwampG8r]

24. see?what did i tell you?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. They're over 20% of the Dem electorate.

I'd call that pretty important, wouldn't you?

[TahitiNut]

12. I've hear it cited that African-Americans constitute 30-35% of the "Democratic base."

As far as I know, they're far more likely to vote than others ... perhaps due to their more recent (and continuing) struggles to overcome the impediments to voting. Personally, I find the Black Congressional Caucus, the NAACP (but not the Urban League), and the African-American 'community' to be the most reliable weathervane for my own vote. No other indicator comes close to matching my own political values. So ... include me as part of that electorate. My skin color and non-partisan political affilliation are irrelevant in that regard.

[Zodiak]

14. They are the smartest voting bloc in the country

Look at the history of AA vote. They know what they are doing.

[northzax]

18. I'd argue that anyone who votes consistently in a bloc

for the same party isn't all that smart at all. Why do traditionally Latino issues (such as immigration, ESL and the like) get much more play than issues that affect African Americans? because frankly, no one cares. The Republicans know they won't vote for them, so why bother, and the Democrats know that AAs won't vote republican, so why bother? Latinos swingvote, so are much more powerful.

it's like the Religious Right, why do they only get scraps thrown at them by Republicans, despite all the rhetoric? who else are they going to vote for. Anytime someone thinks they can count on your vote without having to work for it, then why spend energy and resources trying to convince you?

[Zodiak]

20. So in order to be heard, African Americans should vote for Republicans?

WTF?

It is my contention that African Americans vote for their interests chiefly, and yes, that means the Democratic party (for now). They avoid African American candidates that are clearly not in their interest (Alan Keyes, Steele, etc.), and they also avoid Democratic candidates that are not in their interest. They vote smart...not mindlessly.

But hey, if you want to kick 'em in the pants for being a loyal Democratic vote, go for it. They will continue to vote their best interest, though.

[SwampG8r]

27. crazy huh?

if the AA vote goes GOP
this party will disappear

[northzax]

31. if you put yourself in play

you get more attention. How's being part of the Democratic Machine working out for blacks in general these days? especially poor blacks?

[NorthernSpy]

37. White working class men put themselves in play. Now their jobs are in China.

So really, how's that "in play" thing working out for them?

[Zodiak]

50. Pretty good

Considering that their vote just put their favored candidate into the Democratic nomination.

They sure knew which Democrats are most responsible for putting them under the bus over the last 20 years with that "take 'em for granted" erroneous thinking, and voted accordingly the first opportunity they got.

You see, I do not blame poor black people for voting themselves poor....I blame those that decided that since they are Democrats anyways, then we shouldn't do a damned thing for African Americans. I do not blame liberals for not having any power...I blame those in the Democratic party that think that since liberals are Democrats anyways, we shouldn't bother to do anything for them, either. I feel the same way about every constituency in the Democratic party that has been abandoned by their leadership because of the "third way" of pandering only to those "in play".

It's not the people that have changed...it is the party with their "new Democrat" way of thinking only about the elusive conservative-leaning independents. Well, that crap is about to come to a screeching halt.

[northzax]

53. sure, it only took thirty years

maybe in another thirty years government will start actually paying attention to the problems in the black community?

[NorthernSpy]

36. block voting has put blacks in a position to put Obama's candidacy over the top...

Nothing stupid about that.


Their loyalty has bought them some say in the Democratic Party. The Republican Party has simply made too many gratuitous appeals to anti-black hostility for blacks to seriously consider supporting it. I think the black electorate are far more realistic about what they can achieve in the current American political system than you're willing to admit.

[Texas Hill Country]

9. they are 25-28% of the democratic party

[northzax]

16. and congratulations

you may have noticed that in November, non-democrats get to vote, as well.

[npincus]

6. the black vote was not so monolithic until Clintons' race-baiting

Hillary's remarks about MLK and Lyndon Johnson, Bill's remarks about Jesse Jackson... that's when blacks started peeling off the CLintons in a big way.

[northzax]

29. oh come on, the MLK thing?

how many pieces of legislation did the late Dr. King get passed? that's not a racist comment, it was an observation that you need activism AND committed governance.

[Bad Thoughts]

38. Yes, racist

Racism is not having bad feelings about someone of another race. It is about making use of racial issues and differences in order to grab and keep power. Despite being a gross oversimplification of history, the MLK-LBJ comment was designed to encourage African Americans to regard their lot better served by supporting a benevolent candidate from the majority rather than one of their own. The subtext was that African Americans needed whites to realize their liberation--they could not realize it on their own. The message that was received was that black politics was a dead end game, which South Carolinians roundly rejected.

So, Clinton's campaign didn't say that blacks stink (or something to the equivalent). Their comments, however, were designed to disempower them to their benefit.

[northzax]

49. again

please list the civil rights legislation that Dr. King got passed.

[Bad Thoughts]

52. Please show me the arms MLK didn't twist eom.

[EFerrari]

39. That was only the beginning and a lot of us tried to brush it off.

Since then, there has been a constant barrage of cr@p that culminates now in Clinton claiming (falsely) that white working class people won't vote for Obama.

[knixphan]

45. my AA family was split, before SC

Post-SC, we're all Obama.

[npincus]

48. go-BAMA!

:hi:

[knixphan]

54. :)

:toast:

[LaurenG]

7. He doesn't need to play dirty

an occasional slap down here and there is all it takes. Her campaign is full of ugly strategies. :shrug:

[TragedyandHope]

10. All AMERICAN votes count

and American Democrats have chosen Obama.

The Democratic Candidate must have 80%+ of the black vote to win and it's never been an issue before for white candidates.

[OHdem10]

11. He does not have to say it. We all know it and hear it from

some commentator every day.

Everyone knows the Blacks are going to support Obama and
no one else need even try to get their vote.

People noted that it was the Black Vote who won in NC.

[uponit7771]

15. Blacks didn't support Obama 9 to 1 untile AFTER SC, Obama had to earn my vote & he didn't get it

...until after Cali

[northzax]

28. you know, I keep hearing this

but he won 85% of the AA vote in South Carolina. and I don't think anyone counted the black vote in the Iowa caucuses (really, was it even in the triple digits?) or New Hampshire (where a whopping 1.1% of the population is black) no one even did exit polls based on race in Iowa or New Hampshire, they are two of the whitest states in the country.

[druidity33]

21. i notice

that no one has actually tried to answer the question...

and if some one does, i expect to see the full quote with a link please.

:)

k&r...

[graycem]

26. I think they forget

that Lincoln was a Republican, and they have this arrogance about them, that a majority of AA's will vote Democratic because they have nowhere else to go. That's a mistake for them to assume that.

[shomino]

30. Exactly wndycty

Can you imagine the backlash from all directions if he were to make such a statement?

[Triana]

40. THAT is the difference betweent the two of them and it underscores WHY

Hillary is such a divisive figure that needs to be removed from the political landscape.

[redqueen]

41. There's a lot of old-style politics that she's employed and he hasn't.

That's why he has the support he does.

[2rth2pwr]

42. This so simple it's not even funny, why do Obama supporters act so

willfully ignorant?

The black vote will be 80-90% Democrat in the general no matter which candidate is the nominee, history has shown this to be true.

The other groups, however you want to break them down, do not vote in that kind of bloc. Anyone can dispute this with facts and not cries

of racism?

[Bad Thoughts]

43. A Majority built on Diversity

Obama's representatives must make a better argument that his supporters not only represent a majority of the party, but also its most diverse swath. It serves a more integrative function, rather than a regressive one based on a single ethnic group that dominates.

[PassingFair]

46. But that is a step in logic....

and they are all about SPIN.