Hillary's new low

[BL611]

" ...Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm

Look the problem is not so much her acknowledgment of her support among whites of lower socioeconomic status, which is true to some degree if not somewhat tacky to bring up the way she did. It's her characterization of "WORKING, HARD WORKING AMERICANS,WHITE AMERICANS." The inference is obvious: that only white Americans are hard working (as only hard working Americans are working). In other words this is straight up Trent Lott at a Strom Thurmond party shit. I'm sure she's going to come out and say she misspoke. Whatever. She was clearly trying to walk on the fence of acceptable racial pandering and wound up taking a BIG misstep over. The Clinton's just seem completely hellbent at this point of screwing up their legacy and nothing more. Shouldn't someone talk them, down from the edge of the bridge?

[maddiejoan]

1. stop with the out of context race-baiting crap

ENOUGH

You Obama supporters have been pulling this crap since Iowa.

just stop it, already.

[GarbagemanLB]

2. Has Obama said that Hillary will have trouble with African Americans if she gets the nomination????

[maddiejoan]

10. yes. They. Have.

[uponit7771]

11. link and quote OBAMA saying this?!?!?!

[maddiejoan]

29. Have you been asleep this whole election?

everyone is talking about the various demographic break downs all the time

[uponit7771]

45. I asked you about Obama, not "everyone". Thx in advance

[maddiejoan]

49. Oh I forgot

Obama is not part of the rest of us .

[uponit7771]

51. This doesn't make sense and I haven't seen a link yet.

[maddiejoan]

57. Stop being so obtuse

The demographics have been talked about non-stop through this entire campaign on both sides --and all of a sudden, because Clinton has stopped attacking --you need to manufacture an attack out of no where.

everyone has been talking about this --but NOW it's a problem?

[roseBudd]

65. The point is Obama is not saying it. And you know it.

[maddiejoan]

66. Here's a fun video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtwEfl4V3w4

[Terran]

74. lol, your point?

He's saying he appeals to all demographics, which demonstrably true.

[maddiejoan]

75. My point is, I could have cherrypicked it

and made it seem just as damning and negative.

[Alexander]

76. Could have? You already do. But thanks for playing!

[maddiejoan]

77. really?

link to where I have done that?

[Terran]

73. provide a quote

or shut up

[GarbagemanLB]

12. They? Link to Obama saying Hillary can't win the AA vote?

[goclark]

26. I really need to see that link too

[maddiejoan]

62. Where does HIllary say that?

why should I play this game with you?

She said where her support is coming from

Obama has similarly said where HIS support is coming from

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtwEfl4V3w4

[salbi]

3. Are you denying she said that?

[maddiejoan]

8. So what if she did?

EVERYONE is saying it --freakin' Donna Brazille says it too.

[uponit7771]

14. Blacks aren't hard working Americans? Blacks aren't in the middle class in this country?

[PBS Poll-435]

21. Why do you think by not mentioning every group she is excluding people?

It doesn't make any sense.

[uponit7771]

31. Again, because she can make the point WITHOUT the adjectives in front of "white"

also, there's no history of racism in this country...shoot, it was all in my head in regards to racist descriptions of blacks being lazy...silly me

[PBS Poll-435]

37. Wow.

This is really scary.

Why are you looking so hard for a racial slur that isn't there?

[uponit7771]

41. I never infered there was a "slur" anywhere, just the description throws in extra adjectives that...

...aren't needed and feed racial stereo types....you know, like the lazy ones etc.

You wont answer my question about the extra adjectives after 3 different times of asking you so I think you know what I'm talking about and are throwing in the red herrings.

[BL611]

42. OF COURSE ITS THERE!!!

She is the candidate of the hard working whites??? What else could she possibly be saying???Did she mean to say exactly that? No, but this is what happens when you play games with race. I don't see how any of you could possibly defend this, or get angry at people for being offended.

[PBS Poll-435]

60. Why Phony Outrage

What is that doing for you?

[dogday]

47. Labels:

Let's just keep separating the party with our labels.. Let's see how many labels we have placed on perspective Democratic votes to date..

They are white, they are black, they are male, they are female, they are old, they are bigots, they are racists, they are liars, they are republicans... Now have I left anything out?

No wonder our party is split... We are doing it to ourselves....

[uponit7771]

50. RIGHT!! They can make their point without the extra categorization

[dogday]

55. BOTH campaigns are doing this..

Please don't agree with me, then say they are doing it.. Everyone is doing it...

This is what divides us... When the realization that we are hurting our own party by placing all these labels on our perspective Democratic voters, we have nobody to blame but ourselves....

[maddiejoan]

27. Who said they weren't?

Only the OP has said it.

[uponit7771]

34. so you agree that the description could be make without the "work" adjectives in front of white? Thx

[maddiejoan]

40. I agree

that the Obama campaign has once again decided to paint Clinton as a racist --and so once again jump on anything that can be misinterpreted in order to paint her as one.

Not content to win only --they seek to destroy Hillary Clinton.

THIS is exactly the sort of crap that makes me waffle about whether or not I can vote for Obama.

Keep it up --I'm not alone.

[uponit7771]

44. I don't think Clinton is a racist but I don't put it past Penn etc to try and Pander to them

[BL611]

23. Donna Brazille

said that her base was the hard working people, the white people???? Wow! Do you have a link????

[uponit7771]

46. They're creating the website now, they wont answer the question until they're finished

[MonkeyFunk]

5. they'll never stop

you know it. No lie is too big or too small for the agents of Hope.

[BL611]

6. Out of context?

What are you reading? It was complelty in context: My constituency is working, hard working, white Americans. What was she talking about? The weather? Please enlighten me as to what she was trying to say.

[maddiejoan]

22. The same thing every pundit has been saying for the last 10 months

The same thing the Obama campaign says.

But I guess it's only bad when Hillary says it too.

Just STOP already!

You got what you wanted --you sank a Clinton.

Congratufuckinglations.

[uponit7771]

48. You keep pointing to the media which ONLY strengthens the point HRC is using race. Our Media isnt...

..the most inclusive culture in America when it comes to the people at the top.

The very fact that most of the media excuses reThugs clinging to the most racist, hateful and anti American person for the last 30 years establishes this fact.

[bowens43]

13. HIllary's latest statement is blatently racist.

Her desperation has shown us that she completely lacks integrity.

[maddiejoan]

33. YOUR desperation is showing

and it's repulsive

[Eric Condon]

56. I think the person to be angry at here is Hillary. Those are her words, no one else's.

Why can't Clinton supporters just admit when she screws up?

Obama has never said ANYTHING remotely comparable to this.

I'm just amazed that she and her husband have been permitted to get away with their bullshit for as long as they have. At least now, voters have finally begun to call them on it. It's about time, too.

[trickydix2000]

68. WOW

I kind of just found this board, i like it a lot, i think HRC should not fan the flames of hate, this is not helping

[roguevalley]

67. no. she has.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

71. Fuck You

It's not Obama acting like a racist piece of shit. So quit telling me to stop anything; you have no ground to stand on, and your orders are meaningless. Your candidate tried every hate-filled angle she could think of. And she lost, not just the 2008 primaries, but I think much of her political future.

[jazzjunkysue]

4. She's splitting hairs and dividing us, like B*. It is a new low. It's insulting

and she's the one doing it.

The poster is right. This is not Obama's doing or his fans. This is the candidate, herself, on mic, on record.

And she has to stop.

[uponit7771]

7. ...and the media is playing it up too

[PBS Poll-435]

9. It isn't Hillary's new low. It is your own.

What is wrong with you?

(Apparantly) You have won. Enjoy the victory & move on.

[bowens43]

17. That jsutifies Hillary's disgusting remarks?

[uponit7771]

20. The inference is blacks aren't hard working or middle class, they could leave that out of the...

...description and still make their point about Obama

[PBS Poll-435]

24. It reveals your issues rather than Hillary's

[uponit7771]

28. How? and do you agree that the point can be made without the "working" stuff included?

[PBS Poll-435]

30. Obviously you agree with me by phrasing your question that way.

You KNOW the intent of Hillary's remarks and you want to make it into something divisive & ugly to make cheap points.

[uponit7771]

39. No I don't agree with you, I believe it's more soft racism from the media and HRC because of the...

...description using "working" in front of whites.

Also, do you agree that the point can be made without all the adjectives in front of "white"?

Thx

[PBS Poll-435]

53. Fine I'll play your game.

What was her point that you think that she could have made?

[Quixote1818]

15. This is starting to get some media attention. Stupid mistake by Hillary

I doubt she meant for it to be racist but it comes across that way. She was probably tired and wasn't thinking straight.

[goclark]

43. Like her 3 am phone call

when she was wide awake.

She is out of control.

There is more to this than meets the eye.

The Faces of Eve come to mind.

[WA98296]

16. So much for going out with some respect intact

[SoFlaJet]

36. yea

the only reason she wasn't after Obama again yesterday was because she had to meet with SD's...today? No problem-it's back to say anything mode-anything to win REGARDLESS of the consequences to the party. We NEED those 30 supers to come out THIS week

[pnwmom]

18. I think she's contrasting her supporters with "limousine liberals." n/t

[tularetom]

19. As a lazy white American I resent her exclusionary attitude

[Bensthename]

25. "whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me"..

Oh My Gawd..

[npincus]

32. this kind of destructive behavior will encourage super-ds to end it.

[Pisces]

35. She will not stop, the Supers need to humiliate her. She did it to herself.

[still_one]

38. This prmary has opened my eyes to who the Clintons are

From the subtle race-biting, to the comments how she and mccain were qualified to be president, but Obama is just a speech

In my book their legacy was a fraud

[Quixote1818]

52. I don't think they are racist but they seem to have as much hunger for power

as Bush, Rove, Cheney and the rest of them. The type of people who would out CIA agents and lie about intelligence to protect themselves and not worry about the constitution and doing what is right. I have had enough of people who have been corrupted by power. We need someone who is strong enough to want to do the right thing. Obama seems to have those qualities. At least I hope he does.

[still_one]

59. I don't think they are racist either, but I do believe they have used it by alluding to an

association with farakhan(sic) through a wright proxy, and other not so subtle techniques. Sure the MSM helped exploit it, but I personally believe the Clinton campaign exploited it to its full extent

[zulchzulu]

54. If Clinton continues to lie about Obama, it's time to shut her ass down

I gave her 24 hours to play nice. If she is trying to destroy Obama now that she knows she can't win, it's time to put the boot on the neck until she concedes. Period.

This shit has to stop. Now.

[stillcool]

58. I think Hillary chooses

her words carefully. And she and her campaign have consistently chosen words, to splice and dice the American electorate in any way possible that will reflect 'support' for her candidacy, and more important demean the support of Senator Obama. Her main point that she should be the nominee is based on the color of Obama's skin.

[bvar22]

61. Is Hillary's comment:

a) Splitting the Democratic Party ?

OR

b) Unifying the Democratic Party ?



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[roseBudd]

63. After Obama's typical white person comment, an LTTE in our RW rag claimed that a typical white

person works hard and pays taxes. As you can imagine some of our black citizens took offense with their own LTTEs

[L0oniX]

64. When you are in Hell you can't get much lower.

:evilgrin:

[washingdem]

69. "Working, hard working white Americans." Hmmm... so white people are the hardest workers?

[intaglio]

70. For the blind here are Sen. Clinton's remarks "in context"

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

"There's a pattern emerging here," she said.

Clinton's blunt remarks about race came a day after primaries in Indiana and North Carolina dealt symbolic and mathematical blows to her White House ambitions.

Not only are her remarks racist they encourage racism. I personally think that she is not herself overtly racist but that her campaign and staffers are using overt racism to harm Sen.Obama.

[dana_b]

72. that is terrible. She must be kicking herself for saying it like that. n/t