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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:21 AM
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Poll question: Should Obama pay Clinton's campaign debt? (Poll)
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:24 AM
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1. NO! She lost, she chooses to "fight on" and run up more debt.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:24 AM
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2. What is she, the mafia?
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:26 AM
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3. Hillary should pay it herself with her $109+ million. How dare she try to take others' money! nt
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:49 PM
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30. OK, to be fair: that $109M is before taxes, but nonetheless ...
I don't think Obama should be paying down her loans to herself. That's just crazy talk. The vendors yes, but only if she pulls the plug on her campaign now so she's not racking up more debt.

:eyes:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:30 AM
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4. No
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:31 AM
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5. Think about it
If the Obama campaign pays off her debts to the small vendors who might otherwise get stiffed, it would be good PR for him, and might even translate into votes in November.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:33 AM
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6. WHY would he?
Seriously, I have to ask what possible motivation would he have to pay her campaign debts? Her supporters are Dems (presumably) and they will vote for who ever they think is the right person in the General Election irrespective of who pays the vendors for the work they did on Hil's campaign. I have seen the talk that this is supposed to be a "unity" thing, but I have to point out that the Clintons have more money than God--so much that they have actually been accused of hiding how much they have at times. It isn't like he'd be taking in a stray kitten off the streets...

I just fail to see any real reason for him to pay her off with a few million. He has already WON the damn race, and if things keep on like they have been she's digging a hole that is even deeper--and hurting the party at the same time. I just don't GET it.



Laura
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:44 AM
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14. Will Obama be able to carry those contributions over to the GE?
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:48 PM
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29. There are separate contribution limits
It depends on the donors' patterns of giving, but Obama almost certainly has several million that he can't spend on the GE.

Also, at one point Obama was talking about a deal with McCain that they would both take public financing, in which case he couldn't use any of his current treasury on the GE. McCain, of course, got on the Ohio ballot by agreeing to take public financing in the primaries, and then reneged on that agreement, so any deal with him is, shall we say, shaky.
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:34 AM
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7. No, no and HELL NO.
They are rich. Why the hell can't they pay their own debts with their own money? I already feel bad for supporters who are still giving her money. She loaned herself money to keep herself afloat knowing FULL WELL the condition of her campaign. This is her burden and hers alone.
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:35 AM
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8. I didn't donate to Obama so he could pay Hillary for wasting money
on a shitty campaign!
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:15 PM
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33. ITA. If I want to donate to Hillary, I will. BUT I DON'T. n/t
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:35 AM
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9. No way.
Those payments come from money contributed to him, not her...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:39 AM
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10. Where is the HELL NO! option?
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:44 PM
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27. Sorry! I'll try to remember it the next time I set up a poll. :) (n/t)
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:40 AM
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11. Might make some Clinton supporters happy.
Just saying.
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:46 AM
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16. Their votes are for sale?
Just asking.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:49 AM
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20. Not what I said OR what I meant.
But hell... if they wouldnt appreciate anyway, screw it. I dont really care either way.
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shellgame26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:59 AM
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23. Nothing will make them happy
except to see the impossible. I can only imagine what it would be like if things were the other way around, and Barack Obama was begging HIllary for money. Does anyone not see yet that this woman has only made it this far because of her fucking last name????!!!??? Let her pay her own damn bills. Sheesh talk about elitist. She is rich but poor people must pay off her debts??? "Let her eat cake!
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:41 AM
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12. Small vendors, printers etc. ? YES Her loans and slimeball Penn? FUCK NO!
that's my vote
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:42 AM
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13. Pay her off
get her to drop out and hire her and her crew to write attack ads against McCain.

Tex Shelters
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:45 AM
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15. Option #4
The little guys shouldn't get walked over. If Obama can help, he should. Its what he's basing his campaign on!
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:46 AM
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17. I put that I'd defer to Obama's judgment
She might be doing him a service staying in the primaries IF she doesn't slime him. The last 6 contests wouldn't be as energized without her still running, and there might be less registered Democrats as a result. If he kicks her 10M or so to stay in until June 3, I might see the sense in it. But I still believe it should wrap up shortly thereafter, and not become a convention fight. I am pretty sure the SD's will not allow that to happen, anyway.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:47 AM
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18. As much as I loathe the idea
Edited on Thu May-08-08 11:48 AM by TragedyandHope
America needs Obama in the White House. If this is one of necessary steps on that path, then I would grit my teeth, hold my nose and agree to it. I defer to Obama's judgement.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:48 AM
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19. Why the Hell should Obama (and his supporters) pay the campaign debt of a multi-millionaire??
Hillary dug this hole herself, and she keeps digging it deeper out of arrogance and vanity. Neither Obama or the Democratic party owe her a god damn thing.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:52 AM
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21. I picked this one
I'm somewhere in between -- something like pay the debts to small vendors so they won't get stiffed, but not Clinton's debts to herself or to Mark Penn.


But I am also ready to take what Obama judges is best for the campaign and the country.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:53 AM
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22. The only people getting their panties in a knot about this are clueless
this isn't some novel new ideal that Clinton or Obama came up with, this is a common practice. Clinton can't pay primary debt with her general fund, bur Obama has money that he can use now shifting it into the primary without hurting his GE bottom line much, and it more of less guarantees that Clinton will be shifting a good portion her GE war chest to the DNC and to Obama.

So not only is it a common practices, but there is plenty of reasons why it would be a wise move.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:19 PM
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24. HELL NO.
Hillary is in debt because she didn't quit the race when she clearly had no chance to win. Why should Obama pay for her $20 million ego trip?
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:36 PM
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25. THIS IS GENERATED BY MEDIA PUNDITS -- NOT CAMPAIGN..>
I called the Chicago headquarters and asked. Made a new thread about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5885298
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:38 PM
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26. No; Obama's donations support HIS candidacy. HRC needs to take reesponsibility
for her own tab.

Hell if I want to pay that slime Mark Penn's obsence salary.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:46 PM
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28. Whatever it takes to get her out of my face!
At this point, I can't stand it anymore!

If she's got to bet bought off, so be it. I don't want to see her on my TeeVee saying dumbshit anymore!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:52 PM
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31. It's extortion...
Edited on Thu May-08-08 02:52 PM by stillcool47
kind of like Michigan and Florida. I'll do whatever I want and refuse to pay the consequences...or else.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:10 PM
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32. Is he paying off Edwards?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:17 PM
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34. No way. She can appeal to Obama's supporters for contributions.
Good luck with that.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:32 PM
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35. An argument for "yes"-
She donated money to a LOT of candidates through her HillPAC before she began this run, and Obama was one of them.
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