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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:56 AM
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Hillary's "lead" in Indiana is 1.11%
If you go to:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#IN

and do the math, Hillary has a 1.11% lead in Indiana.

It seems to be stuck on this figure -- I'm not sure how many provincial and absentee ballots are left to count.

So why do all the MSM sites continue to say that Hillary won Indiana by 2%? How is 1.11% anywhere close to 2%?

And if you watch the TYT video on the home page, that guy (what's his name?) gives a convincing argument that about 7% of the vote for Hillary was cast by "operation chaos" Republicans, so Obama probably would have won Indiana by 6% if it had a closed primary system instead of an open primary system.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:57 AM
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1. Same reason they said HRC won PA by double digits. They didn't bother looking at the numbers
the next morning.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:57 AM
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2. In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter?
The race is over, Hillary lost and Obama won.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:58 AM
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3. Someone please let Hillary know. n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:00 PM
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5. The reports I have been hearing, they are working on it
Right now she is trying to leverage her dropping out, to get as much as she can from it.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:10 PM
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9. "Leverage" as in extort and blackmail - same old, same old for HRC
As others have pointed out, she could easily pay off her self-loans by investing a paltry $100,000 in the futures market - she does have a demonstrated record of insider trading, I mean success there.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:14 PM
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10. Yeah, that would be another way of putting it
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:59 AM
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4. Well, it matters to me -- inaccuracy and failure to report are big problems. nt.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:02 PM
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17. True, but knowing Hillary and human perception of numbers just in case get it right. n/t
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:01 PM
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6. Why don't we let them have the .8%
No sense squabbling over the minutia of details. Anything under a 10 point difference was a loss for her.
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shomino Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:03 PM
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7. How can this even be characterized as a "win"?
Seems more of a tie to me, but the MSM continues to mention Indiana as a win for her.

I don't see it as a win by any stretch of the imagination. 1% is definitely within a margin of error, and I would concede it as a tie if it were Obama with the same lead.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:27 PM
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18. It *is* a win
But an inconsequential one, effectively a tie.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:07 PM
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8. 1.11% lead? Hah! Check exit polls: She would have LOST Indiana without Limbaugh's Operation Chaos
Edited on Thu May-08-08 01:06 PM by tiptoe
Obama came on strong in the final days in Indiana, while the polls had "Clinton +5.0%", with Zogby's final tracking poll closest to eventual reality.

Rush Limbaugh and his radical RW -- in open primaries after March 4 -- stacked the vote for Hillary Clinton (see here), including in Ohio, Texas, Indiana, MIssissippi and North Carolina. Hillary's numbers in those primaries would have been much lower, and she would have lost Indiana outright...and perhaps even Texas! Moderate Republicans crossed-over to Obama at a landslide rate of 58–37% in the open Democratic primaries prior to March 4, i.e. prior to the start of radical right-wing Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" campaign for Hillary. Obama will capture a chunk of *genuine* Republican cross-over votes in November; Limbaugh's "pro-Hillary" stooges in the primaries will vote McCain in November. The potential cross-over Republicans for Obama are additional reason -- besides the special election in Louisiana cited -- for Gingrich to be warning his fellow Republicons of a possible "disaster" upcoming in the election.

How Operation Chaos Caused Obama to Lose Indiana and Vote Shares Everywhere Else

Great analysis! Worth a Recommend!!


(See, too, Primary Fraud: Obama Should Have Won the Nomination By Now )


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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:15 PM
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11. Math is hard.
Besides, it doesn't matter if it was 1 or 2 percent. Neither was even remotely close to the number she needed to put some spark into her campaign.

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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:15 PM
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12. Oh shit! That's a THREE DIGIT lead!!!!
Sorry, I'm trying to get a place on Hillary's strategy team.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:17 PM
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13. LOL. Add a couple zeros after the last 1 and you could say 5. nt
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:57 PM
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14. It's just the psychological thing
1% is 1/2 of 2%. SHE'S the one trying to push every bogus psychological edge she can to justify staying in the race.

If she would have lost Indiana completely - if Obama would have gotten 1.5% more of the vote, the psychological damage would have been far greater than a simple 1.5% of the vote in a relatively small state.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 01:02 PM
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16. Not to worry
The superdelegates are consummate politicians. They know exactly how much she won by, and they know that it was only an apparent victory because of the dittoheads.

The spin is meant only for the rubes.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 12:58 PM
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15. WOW that's triple digit!!!!
in Clintonian math ;)
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laughingharder Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:28 PM
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19. Why do you put "lead" in quotation marks?
A lead is a lead. If it was a poll, it could be argued that it's a tie. But these are actual result. It's a lead. Not a "lead".
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:31 PM
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21. 3 posts or 4?
Gee -- you had 3 posts, but you just made a post, so shouldn't that read 4 posts? Man, everything is all confusing.

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:30 PM
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20. Send this OP to the NE Pats...
:thumbsup:
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:33 PM
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22. Tell you what
I'll stop making posts like this when Hillary stops claiming tide-changing victories with a 1% win.

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