Hillary today: "...and I was NEVER supposed to win Indiana."

[jenmito]

Really?: "The survey, conducted by Indianapolis-based TeleResearch Corp. and released exclusively to 6News, showed Clinton with a 10-point lead over Obama in Indiana -- 48 percent to 38 percent -- with 14 percent of respondents undecided. The survey has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.3 percent."

http://www.theindychannel.com/politics/16106143/detail.html


InsiderAdvantage05/04 - 05/04 502 LV 48 44 Clinton +4.0
SurveyUSA 05/02 - 05/04 675 LV 54 42 Clinton +12.0
Suffolk 05/03 - 05/04 600 LV 49 43 Clinton +6.0
PPP (D) 05/03 - 05/04 851 LV 51 46 Clinton +5.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/in/indiana_democratic_primary-639.html

She actually won by less than expected by most polls. When will she get called on her false claims?

[stray cat]

1. In that case, Obama was never suppose to be real competition in the election

if you go back to earlier polls as well

[jenmito]

3. Yup. She was supposed to "wrap it up" on Feb. 5th!

[EFerrari]

2. It's cr@P and her campaign is saying it over and over. n/t

[jenmito]

5. Not to mention Bill Clinton said TODAY that if you add MI and FL, Hillary's ahead in the popular

vote!!! As if NC never happened!

[nomorewhopper]

4. liar liar pants on fire!

[jenmito]

8. I wonder if they even "rate" the truthfulness of what she says anymore...

it's almost irrelevant.

[Heather MC]

44. CAN SOME TELL HER SHE LOST! PLEASE OBAMA IS NOT CAMPAIGNING ANYMORE

He is here in DC being called MR. President

SHE IS STARTING TO LOOK CRAZY!!

[jenmito]

52. I know! Did you see the video of all the congressmen trying to get as close to him as they could?

He's already running in the GE! Hillary and Bill should stop making fools of themselves.

[Heather MC]

74. We dogde a bullet with this nut. Sorry I know she has a lot of supporters...

but it's weird watching her campaign and watching him in Washington being treated like the next president

[NanceGreggs]

83. Isn't that now ...

... Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire?

:shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

6. Right, and she executed a stunning comeback in PA, too.

Who knew she even had a chance, there? :shrug:

[jenmito]

12. Isn't it funny how they always point out how far ahead Obama was in NC at one point yet they

claim her PA victory was huge? And Obama didn't have the "home team advantage" in NC, either.

[DefenseLawyer]

7. The war in Iraq was never about WMD.

See how easy it is to explain yourself if you just lie?

[Cha]

9. Liar Liar..her fucking pantsuit's on FIRE..

Somebody should do one of those political strips that was done for bush where he's running down the road with his ass on

[Erin Elizabeth]

10. NO SHE DIDN'T.

What a fucking LIE. OMG. How is her nose not getting bigger by the second?

Wow. She just baldfaces it nowdays, huh? No pretext, no fudging of words, just straight up Bush-style in your face lying through her teeth.

Wow.

[jenmito]

14. Yes she did. And she was reading off notes. With her arm way up, just like her drama coach

taught her. :eyes:

[Erin Elizabeth]

22. Oh so it was a lie that was written down and decided on

in ADVANCE.

Nice, even better than an impromptu lie.

Again: wow.

[jenmito]

26. Yup!

She's as bad as the Repubs.

[burythehatchet]

55. she needs to fire her drama coach.

[jenmito]

66. I agree. But she wont since she's tone deaf. n/t

[lojasmo]

80. God what a lying shit.

Every day that goes by makes me more pleased that she has no damn chance.

[rinsd]

11. Indiana was considered Obama country because of its proximity to IL & college towns.

[jenmito]

17. Um, she was BORN in IL according to her when it was convenient.

[rinsd]

The proximity had to do with being in the Chicago media market.

Much like CT/NJ were Hillary country because of its proximity to the NY media market.

[jenmito]

35. I know. They showed the Wright story 24/7. Hillary got to run her "hometown girl-next-door" ad.

[mod mom]

47. She lived in Park Ridge-a tony Chicago suburb-until college.

[jenmito]

38. And if you're going to count "college towns" as "Obama country," you should count all of America

Hillary country since the majority of Americans are women.

[karynnj]

39. I am a native born Hoosier

It's true that NW Indiana is in the Chicago media market. It is also true that Seymour Indiana was the home of a Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan. Many areas were very racist in the 1960s/1970s.

Even in NW Indiana, some of those southern areas of Lake County were racist in the 1960s. I lived in one. I remember a neighbor with a petition to warm a black couple against moving into our lower middle class town - shocked that my mom wouldn't sign. There were also implicit threats - We had a volunteer fire department. No official ever said they wouldn't come. But the volunteer part was mentioned. The parents that circulated those things would now be in their 70s - and this was NOT the commonly thought of "racist" area of Indiana.

What to me is amazing is the degree of change on this from generation to generation.

Not to mention - Hillary won by 1.1% of the vote. The difference could even be due to Rush Limbaugh and the superdelegates know that.

[JackORoses]

58. you're actually defending this shit?

if so, you have devolved significantly from the proud Hillary supporter I encountered last Fall

Going down with the Ship, eh?

[goletian]

13. forget about when can obama close the deal, can hillary ever close the gap? lol - nt

[redqueen]

18. Hah... good question!

I'd make that an OP...

Forget why can't he close the deal... why can't she even close the GAP? With her advantages in fundraising, name recognition, etc... and she's STILL struggling? Can you say WEAK candidate?

[goletian]

77. thats right. no she wont!

lol, i was considering that. but people post so fast on here itd get lost in seconds.

[jenmito]

19. No she can't. Wait-no she WON'T.

[azmouse]

15. She just can't stop lying.

We've had one liar in the WH for the last 7 years, why would anyone want another???

[jenmito]

23. I hope people just stop going to her rallies. No point anymore.

[thoughtcrime1984]

16. She never quits

Here I was calling for her to possibly be the VP. Idiot.

[anigbrowl]

20. Now look here, Pinocchio...

Who the hell is pulling your strings?

[karynnj]

21. She is being called by a few surrogates and media people

and people are getting it - the number of people who say that she (and Bill) are honest and trustworthy has changed and not for the better.

[RainDog]

24. LOL! Evan Bayh's state, her vp in waiting???

she wasn't supposed to win the state of the guy who has been campaigning to be her vp since last year?!?!? :rofl:

Only one poll, zogby, gave Obama a chance there and all the Hillary supporters here said zogby was nutty because she was going to take the state.

But, as MacAuliffe noted, she DID win - the most dirt! Not the population of Indiana, but she did win landmass of the corn vote! Not that corn can vote, but what does that matter? What does it matter that the economic and population centers all went for Obama? That 87% of the population under 65 voted for Obama? Why were her returns all in so early in Indiana anyway? Funny business? Or... the areas she carried were so sparsely populated that they just had to send in the results for those 20 voters?? (that's an exaggeration for effect, not meant to represent actual figures, for the irony impaired.)

[global1]

25. Hil-Liar-y..........nt

[Cha]

hiLIAR..totally how her name

is spelled. She'll go down in history with LIEberman..how nice for them.

[tiptoe]

27. She may be laying foundation for either Nuclear Option or VP prominence (i.e. willing to LIE for it

...DESPERATELY.


How Operation Chaos Caused Obama to Lose Indiana and Vote Shares Everywhere Else


Election Fraud: Obama Should Have Won the Nomination By Now


To Believe that Bush Won in 2004, You Must Also Believe that…

[ccharles000]

28. Hillary is a wonderful person.

[DevonRex]

31. Charles, I'm glad to see you here today. Hope you're okay. nt

[ccharles000]

37. I am fine.

Thanks for asking.

[DevonRex]

81. You're quite welcome. I think you're probably the nicest

Hillary supporter ever. :)

[sellitman]

82. You have a great attitude!

Many of my Co-Obama supporters should take a lesson from you.

Including myself on occasion.

Peace!

[DearAbby]

29. I was NEVER supposed to win Indiana!

It was supposed to be over on Super Tuesday!!

[jenmito]

40. Exactly!

:hi:

[book_worm]

30. Hillary has become irrelevant.

[tiptoe]

36. The entire DLC and MSM has become irrelevant. (How'd they lose control?)

[tiptoe]

41. "Sen-a-tor from the Great State of New York...Hill-a-ry Rod-ham Clin-ton"

[MattBaggins]

32. She wiil only get called on it if

she has a fiery black preacher say it. Then the MSM "might" pick it up and talk about it.

[jenmito]

42. True. n/t

[pansypoo53219]

33. why is she

making it EASY to hate her and bill oo?

[jenmito]

43. Because it's becoming more and more obvious she'll say anything to win.

[Buzz Clik]

34. "You're all idiots and will believe anything I say. Don't check the facts behind my comments."

fucking moron.

[jenmito]

45. Thanks for the graph!

:hi:

[tularetom]

57. actually the first poll on that graph shows her behind

so technically she did "come from behind".

She's still a very large pimple right on the face of progress for the Democratic party.

And I still can't stand the sound of her voice.

[4themind]

70. That's true although the time frame may be skewed

Her case that she was 'NEVER' supposed to win, isn't helped when poll aggregates show you ahead in the weeks before the primary, because arguably polls shape expectations...

[Buzz Clik]

76. Well, I won't battle over his words, but the first poll was taken Feb 18.

From March 29 forward, she had a sizable lead in Indiana.

The current tally has her lead at 1.1% ... and shrinking.

[IronLionZion]

46. Hillary's presidency might be just as Orwellian as Bush's.

Oh what a poor underdog... like Rocky :eyes:

When a campaign based on false claims has failed this badly, is it worthwhile to keep calling out the false claims? Let's go after McCain hard.

[jenmito]

49. I agree...

I wish the SDs would stop showing her so much deference because she's a Clinton.

[EnviroBat]

48. Oh good god...

The shit supply flowing from her mouth is endless. For the love of God somebody flip the switch already.

[jenmito]

59. It's not only her. It's her husband and her surrogates, too. n/t

[EnviroBat]

50. Indiana was full of hostile snipers too!

She had to campaign from inside of a moving bullet-proof car!

Hillary Clinton, a complete bullshit artist.

:eyes:

[ORDagnabbit]

51. perfect example of hillary at her best "LYING HER ASS OFF" clinton, clinton go away.

[tiptoe]

53. Why I believe this Primary will never end ("WHO REALLY BELIEVES HER?...THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING")

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5841286&mesg_id=5841286  by crankychatter

This Primary contest is not about these two candidates. It is about what these two candidates represent... the principles they embody. This contest is far older than the Primary itself and will continue through the General Election and beyond.

The Clintons brought us Media deregulation. They brought us NAFTA, CAFTA and a "War on the Poor," that was Ronald Reagan's "wet dream." Senator Clinton's voting record on the IWR, the PATRIOT Act, the exportation of cluster bombs and land mines, the identification of Iran's Republican Guard as a "Terrorist Organization," giving Bush a blank check for expanded conflict in the region: ALL of these actions conflict with what she declares she stands for now... WHO REALLY BELIEVES HER?

There is an evil symbiosis between our elected officials and the PACs that fund their campaigns. This symbiosis is evidenced by the contradictions between Senator Clinton's actions and her words. This symbiosis is institutionalized, in the agency of the D.L.C.. This relationship is at the heart of EVERY regressive policy of the United States Government... every covert act of our Defense Establishment... and the perpetuation of extractive, exploitive, neoliberalism by law and execution.

This corruption is at the heart of this battle. It has been since the 50's.
...
The neoconservatives that hijacked our government in the last seven years, have bet EVERYTHING... they have BET THE FARM.... OUR FARM... on their global adventure for Corporate Dominion. Their vision makes Hitler's Thousand Year Reich look like a college fraternity. They don't give a damn about the Democratic Party or even Conservative principles.
...
THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING.
...

[EnviroBat]

54. Another straight-jacket moment I see...

[zulchzulu]

56. Here we go again... it's like having a busted toilet that keeps overflowing...

She was like never supposed to win Indiana...nuh uh...

:crazy:

Why is she wasting her money and not paying her bills? I'd be pissed if she owed me money if I was a vendor.

[RainDog]

60. this is my "post for the day" for the "very-enders"

[jenmito]

67. Thanks for that...

very appropriate. :D

[dana_b]

61. she's so full oh s***

her breath stinks. I know that was very crass but I don't care anymore. She's milking it too hard.

[Samantha]

62. She also said in that same spill she won Texas

Texas, as we all know, was a two-step process. She initially won by a few points in the primary; but Barack Obama won the caucus, and ended up getting the most delegates from that two-step process.

[Rabrrrrrr]

63. Oh fer fuck's sake, Hillary. Stop lying.

I used to have so much respect for her, and every week in this campaign she's slowly hammered it all away into embarrassed disgust.

[Stop Cornyn]

64. NOTE: never excludes results polling from Indiana since February (please ignore graph):

void where prohibited

[rodeodance]

65. You post polls a few days before the election. Your post is a bunch of crap-

Look at the polls from farther back in the campaign.


you folks will even make yourselfs look like fools just to smear her.

[jenmito]

69. If you want to talk about polls from further back, Hillary was winning EVERYWHERE!

And how do you feel now about the Zogby poll I posted showing Obama winning NC by 14? IIRC you ridiculed it. :hi:

[Upton]

68. What a disgrace she has become to the party

Every time she opens her mouth another lie comes out, at least we'll soon be done with her.

[jenmito]

72. That's because she clearly no longer CARES about the party. Like Lieberman, it's now all

about HER.

[jenmito]

71. I just got an email from Bill Clinton calling IN a "come-from-behind victory..."

"...We have had a lot of success in this campaign, and our come-from-behind victory in Indiana is the latest example of how Hillary wins when she has your support behind her. As long as you share her commitment to winning, this race is going to continue..."

[NightOwwl]

73. OMG

They are both bugfuck insane.

[jenmito]

75. I don't know if it's insanity as much as it is desperation. They MUST know better.

[NewHampshireDem]

78. I'm sending this one out to HRC once again

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy.

With a load of iron ore - 26,000 tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and true was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the American side
Coming back from some mill in Wisconson
As the big freighters go it was bigger than most
With a crew and the Captain well seasoned.

Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ships bell rang
Could it be the North Wind they'd been feeling.

The wind in the wires made a tattletale sound
And a wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the Captain did, too,
T'was the witch of November come stealing.

The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashing
When afternoon came it was freezing rain
In the face of a hurricane West Wind

When supper time came the old cook came on deck
Saying fellows it's too rough to feed ya
At 7PM a main hatchway caved in
He said fellas it's been good to know ya.

The Captain wired in he had water coming in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went out of sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Does anyone know where the love of God goes
When the words turn the minutes to hours
The searchers all say they'd have made Whitefish Bay
If they'd fifteen more miles behind her.

They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters.

Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the ruins of her ice water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams,
The islands and bays are for sportsmen.

And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered.

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed
In the Maritime Sailors' Cathedral
The church bell chimed, 'til it rang 29 times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald.

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
Superior, they say, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early

[jenmito]

79. That's great...

Did you write it?

[Califooyah Operative]

84. haha

that's a good one.