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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:53 PM
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A Sad & Pathetic End to the Clinton Era: Super Delegates Shun Hillary "Vote White" Clinton
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:10 PM by K Gardner
The Sad & Pathetic Screams of a Failed Candidate: VOTE WHITE

I know this has already been posted and discussed. But it sums up everything I feel so conclusively and succintly, I am posting it again, in disgust. Let there be NO doubt: this woman has absolutely no place on the Democratic ticket and probably no place in the party. It has been reported that Superdelegates with whom she met on the Hill refused to be photographed with her; as opposed to the crowd surrounding Obama, jockeying for position in front of the camera. Other superdelegates REFUSED to meet with Clinton altogether. A room in a nearby restaurant she reserved for a dinner had to be cancelled - House members declined to attending, citing pressing business on the House Floor.



There is none so blind as she who cannot see - and Hillary Clinton has blinded herself to the ugly truth that she is quickly becoming a pariah - not only to polite and thinking society - but to those in her own party.

RACE IS ALL THEY HAVE LEFT
Mike Barnacle at Huffington Post

Now, faced with a mathematical mountain climb that even Stephen Hawking could not ascend, the Clintons -- and it is indeed both of them -- are just about to paste a bumper sticker on the rear of the collapsing vehicle that carries her campaign. It reads: VOTE WHITE.

That's the underlying message propping up a failed candidate. Check it out, you superdelegates: the buttoned down black guy is having trouble with blue collar white guys so cast your vote with the white chick who has transformed herself into an arm-wrestling, shot and a beer, kitchen table advocate for the working class and now it's on to West Virginia and Kentucky where she'll prove it.

Her campaign began -- When? Last year? Last century? It moved across the landscape a summer ago like a cash cow, arriving at each stop surrounded by an air of incumbent expectancy, never sensing, never seeing the black guy who had the audacity to get in her way.

So, after all the years they have been with us, after all the triumph and tastelessness, the accomplishments and embarrassments, we're about to watch them act out an updated, mixed gender re-make of Thelma and Louise with Bill behind the wheel, the two of them sharing a knowing look, a wink, in the front seat as they take the Democrat party right off the cliff, the whole thing crashing and burning in a racial divide both he and she sought to heal all those years ago in Little Rock and then Washington.

It was a campaign run and dominated by a fat, arrogant pollster, this Penn who once conspired to concoct a question in order to figure out where the Clintons would swim one summer. Martha's Vineyard or Wyoming? In the past few weeks, Geoff Garin has turned Hillary Clinton into a very formidable candidate by doing something that apparently never occurred to the numbers cruncher Penn: Having her behave like a human being.

And Hillary Clinton, always ambitious, an over-achiever, tough, smart and resilient. And now on the edge of writing a truly ugly chapter for all to see.

<snipped>


As the NY Times writes: The Clinton Era May be Coming to an End. She should have gone out with dignity and grace.



Edited to add this pic, courtesy of BabylonSister, of Senator Obama with colleagues today in D.C.

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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:55 PM
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1. Not very joyfully I recommend this.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:56 PM
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2. That must have been a part of Obama's 'victory lap':
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=108x130669

Here's another article about perception of the Clinton camp, and it ain't pretty:

Clinton's race baiting continues

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2008/05/clintons-race-baiting-continues.html
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:59 PM
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3. Thanks for this ! That's the photo I was looking for and couldn't find :-) These other
posts and articles are excellent. I admittedly haven't been reading much here over the past couple days. Its distressing and I'm enjoying basking in the inevitability of our candidate ! :hi:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:02 PM
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8. I'm surprisingly stress free after Tuesday night.
It's the inevitability that's a hoot! The shoe really is on the other foot now! :hi:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:06 PM
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36. I'm really glad to hear that.
Because as a real Democrat working your ass off these last many months, you deserve to realize that your work paid off!!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:21 PM
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37. Thanks, Major Hogwash.
I haven't done anything but be an avid supporter and defender. That's my job! ;)
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:24 AM
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113. I second that ! Babylon Sister and many others have been stalwart foundations of
cool inspiration to many of us over these long months ! Kudos to all of them :hi: :applause:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:46 PM
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46. Thanks for that jackandjill link..
I love their little chunk of watermelon missing biteB-)
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liberalcanuck Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:27 AM
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100. Rachel Maddow was right. I thought, like KO as well, that she was wrong.
Next time I'll make sure I think twice, no thrice before doubting her again.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:45 AM
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107. I knew Rachel was right.... sad to say...
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:49 AM
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125. Rachel was right about...??? n/t
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:05 PM
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128. Rachel said Hillary's candidacy stopped being viable a long time ago, so she wouldn't stop after NC
While everyone else was trying to paint Hillary's words as tantamount to a concession.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:01 PM
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152. Ah, gotcha.
Yeah, the pundit class was similarly fooled at the end of the Texas debate, saying she sounded conciliatory -- after which she immediately ramped-up her ultra-negative kitchen sink attack strategy.

No playing nice until her campaign is put down.
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 10:54 PM
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160. That's my unfortunate conclusion as well. She has to be bigfooted out.
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sansatman Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:35 PM
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135. Recognizing the Race Chasm
David Sirota, has been writing about this for some time and his research seems to be holding up over time.


"Hillary Clinton this week claimed, "Obama's support among working, hardworking Americans, white Americans, is weakening," the implication being that non-white Americans are lazy. These terms — "regular," "working class," "hardworking" — have become euphemisms for "whites," who are subsequently billed as the only ones who matter."


http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_9198873
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 02:59 PM
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4. It's sad in one way and good in many others.
If the Clintons represent the 90's style of "gotcha" politcs, then I will be glad to say good-bye to all that crap.

We need to change the way we discuss politics in this country.
We don't need Carvilles or Novaks running around calling each other's candidates names.

We need answers to solutions.

I will miss John Warner in the Senate, but I don't miss Santorum or Frist because they weren't about solving problems, they were about staying in power.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:00 PM
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5. Recommending ...
... but sadly so. If someone had told me a year ago that the Clintons would so thoroughly disgrace themselves, I would never have believed it.

Unfortunately, I have now seen how low they will stoop with my own eyes.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:42 AM
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69. I never would have believed it, either.
Not even in December.

It has been a rocky ride down the past four months, watching my opinion of them plummet out of sight. Every time I think they'll pull out of this dive, they do something worse.

Sad end to a presidency that had its good moments.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:44 AM
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116. Nance, you said it so well.
That's exactly how I feel.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:01 PM
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6. Hillary laid with dogs and got up with fleas. She seems to love those fleas.
Edited on Thu May-08-08 03:01 PM by votesomemore
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:18 AM
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97. and bill hung out with rabid blood sucking vampires and ended up w/ a hundred million bucks
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:21 AM
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112. Yes! That is the truth! It is so pathetic that Bill's legacy has come to this!
I wrote President Clinton in 1999 and thanked him for his Presidency. He wrote back and said to get involved in Politics if I really wanted to thank him. Little did I know that in 2008 it would be his wife's opponent that I have embraced and fought so hard for! I never knew back in 1999 what NAFTA and the 1996 Communication Bill was going to mean to the middle-class plight in this country. I never would have believed that he would sell his soul to the Ruler of Dubai, the millionaires of India, and the Chinese-connections for millions of dollars.

Dare we believe we are going to embark FINALLY on a new way of business in Washington!


FIRED UP AND READY TO GO!!!!


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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:52 PM
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136. I too wrote to Bill Clinton at the end of his term
to thank him, He wrote me back as well, I have that letter and envelope framed and hanging on my wall above the monitor here. It is sad to see the way this has turned out.

It is time to move past this...we have work to do. I just wished it was all over, We're burnin daylight.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:02 PM
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7. That's a smile of a man that knows. nt
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:03 PM
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9. "...faced with a mathematical mountain climb that even Stephen Hawking could not ascend..."
Even Barnacle finds a bone once in a while.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:17 PM
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30. Barnacle really has the analogies down pat in this barn-burner !
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:04 PM
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10. Loves me some Barnacle.
The guy can flat write.
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fastannie Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:00 AM
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109. Barn-i-kull
Yeah. I loved it when he called Mrs. and Senator Cohen "Mandingos" because they are a racial-mixed couple.

Guy sure can write!
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:05 PM
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11. The NYt may succeed in a Republican Rout just as '94.
The Media and Obamites continue to push Hilary out alienating
Women, Blue Collar Workers and Catholics.

They forget all these groups have had no trouble voting GOP in
the past.

The Democratic Party cannot win without these groups.

Alienating them makes them either stay home or vote Gop.

Therefore, while the Media may think they are helping Obama. they
continuously help the GOP.

If the GOP moves to center as Commentators on Fox indicate, they
will be in position to catch them as they bail.

This is a transitional election, most Americans have common sense
enough to know this, therefore once again having been slapped across
the face by the Democratic Party, I fear the GOP will receive more
votes than we would like.

The NYT is no friend to Democrats. Obama will find this out--maybe
too late.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:34 PM
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40. Oh noes!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:49 PM
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47. "Push hilary out".... They voted against her...
she lost. Quit your whining..you remind me of..
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:01 AM
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51. WOW.. if Fox says it , it MUST be true
:silly:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:04 AM
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53. This Middle Aged White Catholic Woman Loves Obama
No longer blue collar but came from that stock so I understand that demographic well. BTW the voters are pushing her out, your condescending and outdated hate bag needs a washing.
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Ice-9 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:22 AM
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62. "They forget all these groups have had no trouble voting GOP in the past."
And they wouldn't have any trouble voting GOP if Senator Clinton were the nominee either. My guess is that the "base" that she is courting has a lot of fair-weather Democrats in it -- or Dixiecrats or Reagan Democrats or DINOs, whatever you want to call them. They may vote for Senator Clinton when the matchup is Senator Clinton versus Senator Obama. But what about when the matchup is Senator Clinton versus Senator McCain? Do you really think that someone who votes for Clinton over Obama because he's afraid that "America is not ready for a black president" is going to vote for a *female president* (Clinton) over a *male president* (McCain)? And do you really think that someone voting for Clinton over Obama because "she's more seasoned" is really going to vote for her over dusty old McCain? And what about the person who votes for Clinton over Obama because Clinton remembers learning how to shoot when she was a little girl? Do you really think that voter is going to want to vote for Clinton after he creams his pants listening to McCain brag about all of the "go*ks" he killed in the war?

Maybe the answer to all of those questions is yes, but I'm skeptical. I don't put much stock in Clinton's fear-mongering that Obama can't win these allegedly key demos. Because when push comes to shove in the GE, Clinton can't win them either.
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DeeDeeNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:14 AM
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85. What you said
Exactly on target. All of it.

:kick:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #62
103. Fair-weather Democrats.
Interesting way to put that...
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:06 AM
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73.  Bill and HIllary lost the white and black working class
back in the 1990s...remember it was under Bill Clinton that the Democrats lost control of the house of representatives and the senate, only to gain it again under a Republican. Bill Clinton won the presidency in 1992 only because Ross Perot siphoned off enough Republican votes, remember Ross Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992. He won in 1996 because, well, a toad could have beat Bob Dole!!

Bill and Hillary represent Republican lite politics. They have been instrumental in moving the Democratic party further and further to the right, so much so that it is barely an opposition party, but instead has become a me too party.

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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #73
119. ross perot voter here..
that's why i just have to laugh at the nader haters here on the board.
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:55 AM
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89. and if Clinton keeps up her dirty politics
She will not get the nomination and could hurt Obama by casting him in a negative light.

The GOP generally does not play dirty politics against each other, just members of the Democratic party.

By Hilary staying in, she is hurting both herself and Obama. She is also making it easier for people to want to vote for the GOP.

Dap
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Limelight Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:57 AM
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117. How? Huh? How has Barack or his supporters alienated them? HOW?!
You folks keep talking in these glittering generalities about this campaign has alienated the white working class? Name somethings that don't have anything to do with some bogus controversy his pastor who, on the first go around rather than the 2nd, simply put some tough truths out there for people to digest. (Barak may have been insulted by his comments, which I respect, but I wasn't).

Oh, are we still talking "Bitter Gate"? The faux controversy where Obama made a statement that didn't come out quite the way he wanted and his polling went down, he explained it better and his polling went right back up? You mean that? Yeah, that's over so.... yeah...

How did he alienate women? Did he ever say something misogynistic or condescending to her or is it just the fact that he happens not to have a vagina that makes him a woman hater? Did he ever tell blue collar workers they don't mean as much or call them stupid? How is it his fault that a lot of these folks, due to an unfortunate history of race relations in this country that lead them to live in neighborhoods that have little to no diversity to the point that most of their exposure to black people is what they saw in the Snoop Dogg video on BET? Is it his fault that that same lack of interaction and understanding leads at least some (not nearly all) of them resent the fact that some black guy has the unmitigated gall to be more educated than them? Catholics... really, he hates Catholics now too? Where the hell did that even come from?

You folks want to be taken seriously but refuse to explain yourselves. Either start talking specifics or shut up.

Simple as that.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:58 AM
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118. fuck em..
fuck the pandering. your party cannot continue chasing the mythical center at the expense its leftist roots. form your own damn party.
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:06 PM
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12. Not too late to be forgiven.
It isn't too late to be forgiven, but the time is nigh.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:40 PM
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25. Funny.. I keep thinking of Clint in "Unforgiven", ridingi off into the sunset.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:17 AM
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111. I love the sight of a ridingi in the sunset!
:hi:

The pot-bellied, tufted ridingi is my favorite, though, by far.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #111
131. Don't be silly!
Ridingis are nocturnal.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #131
148. Damn, Dave - ya got me! I was thinking of the thrush-throated day-dingi (obviously).
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:30 PM
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156. You know what I hate worse than ANYTHING? SPELLING MISTAKES ! And even worse than
that.. spelling mistakes, caught by someone else WAY TOO LATE to be corrected !!

Argghhhhh!!!!!!!! :blush:
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:06 PM
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13. Usually I can't stand Mike Barnacle but that's actually a decent article
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:07 PM
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14. He is a straight-shooter. Even if you don't like what he says, ya gotta respect the way he says it !
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:46 PM
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32. great piece, but that "Democrat party" reference made me squint my left eye
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:07 PM
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15. More Photos!

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is pursued by reporters after chatting with members
in the House Chamber at the U.S. Capitol on Thursday,
May 8, 2008 on Capitol Hill in Washington.
Obama's unannounced visit to the Hill during House votes lasted more than half an hour.


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.,
waves to tourists from Illinois as he is followed by the news media
through the U.S. Capitol, Thursday, May 8, 2008 in Washington.



Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.,
is followed by the news media as he walks through the Capitol Rotunda,
Thursday, May 8, 2008 in Washington.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:09 PM
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17. I am just NOT a good picture-finder ! Thanks for finding these !!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:16 PM
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19. Love it! I'm so proud of him.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:08 PM
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16. With great sadness, I rec this post. n/t
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:14 PM
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18. You'd think Hillary, as flawed as she is, would say "I'm not going there"
"It may be my last angle, but I can't do it for the sake of my country and my soul". Alas...
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:24 PM
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20. I think her narcissism prevents her from seeing outside anything but the small bubble of "ME".
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:27 PM
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21. Yeah, apparently so.
:shrug:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:15 PM
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154. Ed Schultz said it best, "You gotta have a big ego to be a talk show host."
Imagine how big an ego (for better or worse) these politicians have to have, especially those on the national stage.

And I am SURE that includes Barack H. Obama, folks.

Right now, he's the "GOLDEN" boy -- and I don't mean that as a derogatory term at all. Now if I had said "GOLDEN BLACK boy," think of the trouble I'd be in.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon



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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:32 PM
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39. It's like poker. You play the hand you are dealt. That's what she is doing. Some people call it
Edited on Thu May-08-08 06:33 PM by IsItJustMe
tenacious, I personally would never go there, Hillary does not have a problem with it. Not pretty, but there it is.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:13 AM
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56. Unprincipled Narcissists NEVER Fold EVER
Edited on Fri May-09-08 12:19 AM by Binka
They think they can BS with their pair of twos and win. She isn't tenacious, that takes guts and style, she is a bullying flop sweat cheat. With an extra dose of entitlement and grandiosity. Jesus, freaks like her are so GOD DAMN exhausting. Go to the curb Hill, no make that the gutter you creepy snipe.

edit: My dancing kitty is back and THAT makes me happy. Dance Hello Kitty dance.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:05 AM
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94. It's the desperation, I'm afraid
You can smell the desperation coming from her campaign. The anger and grief of losing her dream has caused her to act irrationally, I'm afraid. It could happen to any of us.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:36 PM
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22. "...mixed gender re-make of Thelma and Louise with Bill behind the wheel.."
The hour is late, but even now, they could have have heeded the final few flashing caution lights. They didn't have to do this.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:38 PM
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23. You're absolutely right. Instead, they've driven over the edge of the Grand Canyon.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:41 PM
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26. Google has 'em pegged..some legacy, indeed!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:42 PM
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28. Ugh.. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:40 PM
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24. I found her a new campaign song..to end with
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:42 PM
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27. I can't say anything and be fair.

I was so happy that she ran. And so flummoxed and disappointed in her campaign.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 03:55 PM
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29. Me too. It was a shock when the negativity started last November.. it is a shock still, the depth
to which they have sunk. I never thought I'd see the Democratic Party support anything like this, for so long, and so quietly.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 04:32 PM
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31. it is indeed sad. I did not like her policy, but I never dreamed she would sink so low.
it is like a greek tragedy, the character with a fatal flaw that they are oblivious to.

it is even more sad how many are trying desperately to defend such blatant racebaiting that only seems to get worse.
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NEOhiodemocrat Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:07 AM
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83. my feelings exactly NT
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:00 PM
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33. Is it not the same kind of disappointment that many of us have for many other
dc dems over the last 8 years? Haven't we been mystified and frustrated and hurt that there are relatively few dems that conduct their campaigns and congressional businesses the way progressives would expect? Hasn't Clinton been, more often than not, part of that dc group?

This has been one long, hard, shocking lesson that I, for one, have had to learn over and over.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:58 PM
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42. You've made an excellent point. I have been totally disgusted and disappointed
in what I have seen as the spineless and "mealy" performance of Democratic candidates. I suppose then that I was simply stunned to see one running like a republican-rove machine.

There must be an in-between.. oh yeah.. it's Barack Obama :-) :hi:
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:05 PM
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34. Barack goin' for his 9?
In that top photo, what's he takin' off his belt? Maybe that's why the critters were so well-behaved?

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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 05:45 PM
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35. I really admire Obama, he just keeps moving forward despite...
all the bullshit the Clinton's and the publicans have thrown at him. The guy has real class.

GoBama!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:38 PM
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44. His strategy has been frustrating to me at times, and not always apparent. You
want to think he's trying to practice new politics but worry he's just not got the stomach for it.

Then tonight, you see him on Wolf Blitzer or with Brian Williams or mobbed on the House Floor and you smile.. and think...
"oh yeah.. there he is.. there's my President and that's what he was waiting for."

I just have to learn to trust his instincts, as they are surely better than mine. !
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:59 PM
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50. His campaign read the rules, understood them, and
played by them.. they plodded ahead..state by state..even though the finish line kept getting moved further away..yet he did not complain..he just campaigned, did the math and kept racking up delegates..
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:25 PM
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38. 2 people declined meeting... and 1 dude switched... its not like an avalanche
the headline makes it much bigger than it is
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 06:42 PM
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41. Hillary is a great woman.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:20 AM
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60. Sorry Charlie. You've been a really nice poster on DU. One of the best!
But you got taken.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:24 AM
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64.  Her campaign was wonderful?
I like the operative word was but are you out of your mind? Wonderful? Jesus the crack has really ruined you.
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syberlion Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:12 AM
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74. Watching the Hillary Campaign, is like watching the towers fall
In very, very slow motion. It's very painful to watch. This means the MSM wants this to go on, and on, and on...

Hillary is an extremely intelligent woman. She has to be to get where she got to in her life. If someone had told me it's a lock. The republican party has no real players this time around, and most of those running on the democratic side recognize you as the preemptive choice, well I too would have begun measuring for new furniture in the oval office.

Even when my consultants told me not to worry about the strong showing of that young senator in the beginning, that will fade as the campaign wears on, we'll lock it up Super Tuesday. Even after "the math" comes with a "less than" sign in your column, keep going, there's still a chance. There are still cheering crowds, the music's still playing, no one from the DNC has asked to have "the talk" yet. I still have people telling me, showing me numbers, graphics, telling me what the right things to say to help boost my chances.

I feel for Hillary. To want something so bad, to work so hard, to push and shove through all those harsh, sleepless hours. It's the quiet times, those moments when all she hears is the air moving through the room. I wonder if she can feel history flowing around her, flowing past her. Wanting to play the leading role and history is choosing someone else for that part. No one wants to not be picked, or picked last. Remember choosing sides for playground games? No one wants to be picked last.

She'll survive. I heard a caller on Randi Rhodes' show mention her name for the Supreme Court. She'll have options, she's a fighter. Although, there comes a time when you look at history and realize this is not your time. It is not meant to be, not this time.

I can only hope for her the best. I can only wish for her a gracious ending to what has turned out to be something difficult to watch. I've read multiple times on multiple threads here on DU the love and respect for the Clinton's. So, I know most people on DU have admired the Clinton's. I also know the Clinton's will go on, to what that is the great mystery.

There will be a healing. We dare not confuse the pain from the gaping wound we all have from the past eight years of being repeatedly gouged by the Oil Companies, Rich Tax Breaks, rampant criminal behavior and being completely ignored. This is the true pain we all are enduring. This is the larger life-threatening wound we must tend to in the GE. We are on life-support and Mc Bush is coming in to pull the plug.

It's time to focus on the true evil, the real enemy, Mc Same. Let's link together and defeat the Geezer. Are you ready to have your great-great-great grandchildren born directly into the military? That's the vision promised with one-hundred years of war. Which is very likely, since McSame's natural tendency with his hot temper would be to bomb first and send diplomats, um never.

As for those persons with unwavering support, that is a great attribute to have. Just as the New England Patriots found out, sometimes no matter what you do, you can still lose the game. They still have their fans and they are football fans as well. Just as there are people supporting other teams, they also support football, not baseball. So, support the Democratic sport as well as your favorite team, instead of supporting the republican sport, where you don't even know what teams they have.

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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:37 AM
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91. there needs to be a nausea warning on that video.

first time i ever WISHED i was Rick-rolled...
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:10 AM
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95. Only partially right, ccharles
She is a great woman - an important figure in national politics. Her campaign, however, will go down in history as one of the great disasters in politics.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:27 AM
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124. WTF?!
That was weird. :wtf:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:09 PM
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43. Late nite kick in honor of the Daily Show's spot-on "analysis" of the white vote strategy.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:55 AM
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79. That was stunning
I guess were going to find out how many people in WV watch the Daily Show
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:42 PM
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45. Ok, can we concentrate on defeating McSame now?? nm
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:54 PM
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48. Makes you wonder who's really pumping those millions into her bank account.
Funny but in that first picture it looks like he's getting his pocket picked. Kind of like Hillary's payoff demand. :mad:
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-08-08 11:58 PM
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49. Hillary's Reputation is SUNK in Washington.
people aren't saying anything right now because its a politically sensitive time, but just wait til this is all over.

the first chance they can get, the vultures are going to tear her flesh off the bone
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:17 AM
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96. You are probably right, and that is even sadder
It will be ugly - truly. A sad ending for the Clintons.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:02 AM
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52. I am stunned at the way she has run her campaign.
And I completely agree that that kind of ugly has no place in the Democratic party.

Onward. ;)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:10 AM
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55. What's next? Segregation today, tomorrow, and forever?
I am totally disgusted by Hillary's race baiting in the USA Today interview. She is going the way of Joe Lieberman who, despite his many faults, doesn't have a bigoted soul.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:13 AM
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57. That's about the end of that.
the "vote white" thing is sadder than it seems, and the poor end of a campaign that should have been much better.

Great pics, by the way. That was something to see...Presidential.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:15 AM
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58. Sad to K & R.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:19 AM
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59. Heartbreaking for both sides
for different reasons.

Clinton Legacy R.I.P. 2008

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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:22 AM
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61. I fought so hard for them. I feel like a fool.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:08 AM
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71. I agree n/t
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:18 AM
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86. Beautiful photo. I loved the Clintons.
Very disappointed in them.
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:38 PM
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142. They, too, were young once.
I guess not every story has a happy ending.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:24 AM
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63. Elitist framing in this paragraph -- DON'T BUY CLINTON's SHIT! Pro-working class do not = pro-white!
Edited on Fri May-09-08 01:10 AM by Leopolds Ghost
"That's the underlying message propping up a failed candidate. Check it out, you superdelegates: the buttoned down black guy is having trouble with blue collar white guys so cast your vote with the white chick who has transformed herself into an arm-wrestling, shot and a beer, kitchen table advocate for the working class and now it's on to West Virginia and Kentucky where she'll prove it.

"Her campaign began -- When? Last year? Last century?"

Obama fans, say it with me: FUCK. THIS. SHIT. I am sick and tired of
college Dems abandoning the working class because "they're all a bunch
of racists." BULLSHIT. Half the working class is BLACK and you are
selling out ALL of them by ceding that ground to Clinton.

Just like Dems cede shit like Wright to the Republicans by refusing to
defend progressive liberation theology, i.e. religious liberals.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:28 AM
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66. This can be fun. Its GREAT to see fake populist suffer. But Dont blame populism for Clinton!
Edited on Fri May-09-08 01:14 AM by Leopolds Ghost
She is anti-populist, an elitist demagogue trying to drive a wedge between
liberals and the white working class, just like her husband's Reagan Dems.

And she is succeeding, witness Mike Barnacle and other elite journos
going on about how Clinton is somehow demonstrating the failure of POPULISM!

Is that the take-home message for Obama's campaign?

Buy into Clinton's meme that she is populist and populism somehow = racism now?

Don't forget Bill Clinton, in an effort to legitimize his Baby Boomer
tolerance on issues near and dear to most, nevertheless PROVED he was
"one of them" by executing a retarded man and BSing about a female rapper.
He offset his support for NAFTA by repealing welfare, thus ensuring
himself permanent popularity among the RACIST, ANTI-UNION "so-called"
working class. Most of whom only think they are middle class, the real
working class has been eviscerated in this country (and nobody cares
because half of the working class are BLACK and the rest are called "uneducated").

Clinton is not a populist, she is an old-fashioned conservative
brie-and-cheese politician trying to appropriate the populist mantle,
like Andrew Jackson or Goldwater. Minus the libertarian sentiment.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:28 AM
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81. Mike Barnicle, elite?
Edited on Fri May-09-08 04:32 AM by foo_bar
He used to have a "voice of the regular joe" column in the Boston Globe, not that it made it so (esp. after he was fired for penning fiction), but he never had any pretense of eliteness in my recollection. I think he was also a speechwriter for Bobby Kennedy; my friend delivered papers to his (Barnicle's) house in the Fitchburg area (or so he says, it seems like everyone in Mass had a story about personally delivering a newspaper to a Kennedy or someone connected to a Kennedy), said he was an asshole but not the elite kind (although the celebrity receiving the newspaper is invariably an asshole in these anecdotes). I see where you're coming from, no qualms with your final paragraph, but I'm 90% sure the author considers himself a populist in the Celtic-Bostonian tradition (and not the l337 Brahmin one):
The existing metro-columnist arrangement reflects a kind of crude quota system: when scandals led to the firings of Mike Barnicle and Patricia Smith in 1998, McGrory got Barnicle’s Irish-American-populist slot and Adrian Walker got Smith’s African-American slot

http://thephoenix.com/Article.aspx?id=38321&page=2

That's pretty crass, but that's Savage, coiner of the second meaning of "Santorum".
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shrub chipper Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:18 AM
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87. and
you get the prize for being the first in the thread to spell Mike Barnicle's name correctly :)
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:29 AM
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67. It's probably just a cover for massive vote rigging.
Like Junior's "values voters" and Hillary's New Hampshire phantoms.

Who in their right mind would vote for Hillary besides her AARP gal pals? :shrug:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:38 AM
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68. The rest of the article is hilarious, I just don't like blogosphere MoveOn-style framing.
Edited on Fri May-09-08 12:41 AM by Leopolds Ghost
One Huffpost commentator ctually compared Clinton to the cut-off head of jumbo shrimp
"at any sushi bar, where it's still wriggling".

Hilarious, but strangely out of the element of who we're supposed to be fighting with/for.

These are NOT people who will fight to stop FISA or fight to stop further
gutting of the safety net for e.g. public housing, or repeal NAFTA. Elite
Dems have no interest in NAFTA. We need to get "educated whites" and
"working class whites" to stop identifying themselves with people ABOVE
them like they do now (every time they try desperately to buy into a hip
neighborhood in a blue city, or take out a balloon mortgage to get into
a gated community to escape people from their own income group) and start
identifying themselves with people BELOW them.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:50 AM
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70. I see what you're getting at.
The whole line is a big load of crap but the mockingbirds have been chirping it 24/7 for the last 2 or 3 weeks. I heard an NPR "host" ask a superdelegate point blank if by supporting Obama he was violating the will of his "white working class" constituents. WTF? Is it racism yet?

The stinking scam that is the Clinton campaign doesn't get any more pathetically obvious than that. :puke:
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:16 AM
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72. This is why Obama needs someone like Webb or Clark on the ticket.
Kerry and Edwards were swiftboated for being "wealthy elitists" despite
being as economically progressive as they come. Never mind Clinton has
more money than Edwards (and where'd she get it?)
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:16 AM
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75. Webb or Clark would STILL be framed as "elitists"
Have you forgotten the "perfumed prince" horseshit already?
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:03 AM
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120. I think even fox news would have trouble calling clark an elitist
But who knows, half the shit they say on there every day is anti-military in practice. It wouldn't surprise me
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:10 AM
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159. If you don't believe that they would, try googling 'perfumed prince" n/t
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:25 AM
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65. If this was a tragic opera, we're not even through the middle of the Final Act
I'm really thinking that it's going to get so low and dirty STILL... We haven't seen the bottom of Hillary Clinton's decline into her own vortex yet.

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:19 AM
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76. And yet, the white racists would still vote Republican even if she was the nominee
This is the Democratic Party. We don't have anything to offer the white racists anymore. Not since 1964 anyway.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:29 AM
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77. K and R
Can we really start to relax now? He really is the nominee, isn't he!

I keep pinching myself to see if I am dreaming!


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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:49 AM
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78. The Clintons have become sad and pathetic
they don't even realize that they've become nothing but a bad joke. :-(
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:28 AM
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80. .
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Broadslidin Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 05:13 AM
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82. Senator Clinton to announce "Retirement from Politics", June 15th.....
:nuke: :nopity: :nuke:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:10 AM
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84. The whole thing is very sad. Sad for all Americans, sad for the party,
sad for the legacy of a president and sad for a woman who was once well respected.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 06:31 AM
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88. time to CHILL......
Let's all knock it off now.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:36 PM
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139. Some people simply cannot let go of their HATE!
It's the only thing that keeps them going.................
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:32 AM
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90. VOTE WHITE: Clinton Race Baiting Meme--PUBLIC deserves better nt
NoFederales
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:42 AM
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92. K&R ...Down with the Clinton dynasty.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:04 AM
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93. "They should have stopped with their dignity intact"; I said this just yesterday to a friend
It was in reponse to our conversation about Hillary's victory speech and the look on Bill's face as he stood behind her. It's very similar to the Lewinsky affair; he could have had it all, gone out on top of the Presidency game if only he hadn't met with Lewinsky. I defended him then but now after watching this play out I'm coming to realize that when you get away with so many important things you don't stop and think twice about what you're doing and what the consequences could be if you just jump in without planning for events downstream.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:29 AM
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101. Didn't you read his memoirs
Do you know his reasoning behind his relationship with Monica?

He did it "because he could" - how's that for caring about his family, his wife, his nation - talk about an excuse.

The selfishness and sense of entitlement of this "power couple" knows no bounds.

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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:02 PM
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127. Have you ever wonderred what would it be like if he had been impeached.
I defended him then because I thought, and still think, he got a raw deal. Although, that did change my opinion of him. Before then I was willing to suspend disbelief at the rumors of his philandering before he became President. I never thought he was a great President, but after Reagan and Bush he looked wonderful.

But if he had been impeached, Gore would have been President and most likely re-elected in 2000 and 2004. Think where the country would be today. What looked like a shameful moment in 98 could have made a better future.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:26 PM
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155. he was impeached in the House but not convicted in the
Senate. But had he been convicted, you're right, this country and the world would have likely be very different today.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:20 AM
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98. Stomp stomp stomp
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 08:23 AM
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99. That's not what she said and you know it.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:12 AM
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102. I never thought i would defend her but
After so many years of having to deal with whitewater, Monica, the Repub congress, the slamming of her healthcare initiative is it a wonder why she went the route she did?
Hillary obviously knows how to fight rough. She is an A1 fuckin brawler. She was fiercely loyal to people who have not served her well. The mark penn thing is a good example 327 winner take all electoral votes in cali. She stuck by people who stuck by her.

It was unfortunate that race had to play in this one. It was introduced by Bill and it never left from that point on. I think that bill really fucked on this gambit. and she just couldn't control his ego. He was doing things the way he knows how.
I hope in someway that Democratic poster will find away to set aside their animosity toward Hillary. Obviously she is valuable to the party for her tenacity alone. It is better to have someone like Hillary Clinton on your side than fighting against her.

Obama44
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:00 AM
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108. Two-Way Street... Bill has always been a liability to Hillary
She should have kept him off the campaign trail. Too late now. I give their marriage/partnership eighteen months after this is over.
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montanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:35 AM
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104. Barnacle says Democrat party?? Where
is the Clinton quote that says "vote white?" I read to OP twice and still couldn't find it.

BTW it is "none so blind as she who WILL not see" because someone who can not see is a called a blind person.
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dlfuller Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:42 AM
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105. K&R
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BonnieJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:45 AM
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106. Incredibly sad.
Why did she have to turn into such an awful person? Why couldn't she remain a mensch? As soon as you find the only way to make yourself appear better is by making the other person appear worse, you know you're on the wrong track.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:10 AM
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110. Obama's strategy includes voting Black
Edited on Fri May-09-08 10:13 AM by Gman
as well he should. Anyone that denies that doesn't know what they're talking about. Do you think Obama did not have a huge push to get out the Black vote in the southern states which gave him his delegate lead? 95% of the Black vote in North Carolina and Obama didn't have a GOTV push for the Black vote? Why did you not mention that also in your title?

I'm so tired of people having an attitude of "when I look at Obama I don't see color". Give me a friggin' break. Obama would be a complete idiot if he didn't take advantage of the Black vote and some people are afraid of that.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:24 AM
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114. of course he did. and it is working for him. To deny is beyond silly.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:35 AM
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115. Right,
and Obama thinks babies are burdens. If you are willing to read negative things into what someone says, you can find good reasons to despise anyone.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:05 AM
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121. What a shame it has to come to this,
we keep thinking that she would not stoop any further but oh no,
she has stoop so low that she has dug herself into a ditch.

Everyone is afraid not to write the Clintons off, but she has
done that herself, as for me, I did that long time ago once I
found out about her vote on credit card, cluster bomb etc.

Good riddance!!!

:hi:


:kick:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:07 AM
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122. Amazing to me that some "supers" have expressed to reporters that they are "afraid"
to declare for Obama due to backlash from the Clinton Machine.

These people need to be stripped of their power to hold this party hostage to this type of thuggery.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:25 PM
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132. "These people need to be stripped of their power to hold this party hostage"
That is happening, but their power is great.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:08 AM
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123. There is no joy in recommending
Had anyone told me a few months ago, I would hold the Clintons with as much disdain as I do now, I would have laughed at them. Senator Clinton was always my last choice and I only recently came to support Senator Obama. I find her words extremely offensive and never thought I would hear anything like I have from either Clinton. I am not sure if I will ever work though it.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 11:58 AM
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126. Never thought I'd see a Clinton dumb down their rhetoric! She is a Racist.
I don't care what kind of face you want to paint on her. If you race bait then you are in fact a racist. I don't care if you believer this is just politics. It's campaigning for the very worst of this country. She is proving that she's perhaps the dumbest Democrat to ever run for office. She think old politics works. It doesn't! That's why Obama is going to be the president of these UNITED STATES for the next 8 years. Count em. Peace. Prosperity. And yes... HOPE!
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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:07 PM
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129. Unfortunate really. Bill Clinton has always been THE BIG DOG in my book. Now I'm not so sure.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 12:09 PM
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130. pathetic to have to stoop to this level--a revolution is fomenting
in America and Obama will be handling the kickoff.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:30 PM
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134. There is no better person to handle it - of that I am convinced. This mixed race man with a keen
wit and big heart will meet the challenge. It is sad to see the Clintons leave on this note, but leave they must. The country is ready to move forward.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:58 PM
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137. yes, must move forward and this IS the moment for action
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Arrowhead2k1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 01:28 PM
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133. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.
Interesting times indeed.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:35 PM
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138. Let it go. Let it go. Let it go.........
I think it's sad and pathetic that at this late date that posters claiming to be Obama supporters still are unable to let their Hillary HATE go!


Let it go. Let it go. For the sake of the unity of the party, be as magnanimous as your candidate appears to be and let the hate go...........
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:37 PM
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141. I suppose we will "let go" when the candidate of Hate and Division does.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:43 PM
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145. Well, if you can't be as mature and magnanimous as your
candidate, you're not doing him ANY favors by claiming to be a supporter of his. You're only proving that you HATE to keep yourself going..........

That's so sad. You're so sad.......... :cry:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 07:07 PM
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153. Your "girl" and her hubby are the ones out preaching elitism, hate and division. Check the news, or
read something.. anything. You're bound to run across the truth, although you most likely wouldn't know it.

Don't presume to preach to any Obama supporter about being "sad". Your avatar says it all. You've already lost and refuse to accept it.
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:45 PM
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146. Hillary hate? Is that like Bush-hate?
You know, an all-purpose term used to dismiss legitimate grievances?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 03:11 PM
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147. Welcome to DU.
:hi:
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:17 PM
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151. No, dear. The Hillary HATE I refer to is the result
of some supposed Obama supporters imbibing TOO much of the kool-aid.

In other words, they have started to believe the hype they've been pushing.

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:37 PM
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140. playin' that race card again and losing votes for O in the GE, i see. brilliant. nt
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:38 PM
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143. K & R
:thumbsup:
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 02:42 PM
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144. Her supporters seem to think the SDs are impressed by her behavior. In truth,
Richardson and Reich's revulsion should have been the first sign for her as to what the SDs think.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:14 PM
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150. Many things should have been heard loud and clear, but unfortunately weren't.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 04:14 PM
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149. Vaya Con Queso, Senator!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 09:57 PM
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157. Given the display on Larry King tonight, I am kicking this up for
relevance, as it seems her behavior has been leading up to this frenetic racially-charged meltdown.

Truly sad.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-09-08 10:00 PM
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158. It is a sad but true commentary you post
Just let me say this: out with the old; in with the new.

Sam
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