Clinton writes to Obama, asks for help with MI and FL

[anigbrowl]

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/feature/2008/05/08/clinton_letter/index.html
Text released by her campaign, so I don't think copyright is an issue.

Dear Senator Obama,

This has been an historic and exciting campaign. Millions of new voters have been brought into the process and their enthusiasm for the Democratic Party and the principles for which you and I have fought and continue to fight is unprecedented.

One of the foremost principles of our party is that citizens be allowed to vote and that those votes be counted. That principle is not currently being applied to the nearly 2.5 million people who voted in primaries in Florida and Michigan. Whoever emerges as the Democratic nominee will be hamstrung in the general election if a fair and quick resolution is not reached that ensures that the voices of these voters are heard. Our commitment now to this goal could be the difference between winning and losing in November.

I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted. We cannot ignore the fact that the people in those states took the time to be a part of this process and to make their preferences known. When efforts were untaken by leaders in those states to hold revotes to ensure that they had a voice in selecting our nominee, I supported those efforts. In Michigan, I supported a legislative effort to hold a revote that the Democratic National Committee said was in complete compliance with the party's rules. You did not support those efforts and your supporters in Michigan publically opposed them. In Florida a number of revote options were proposed. I am not aware of any that you supported. In 2000, the Republicans won an election by successfully opposing a fair counting of votes in Florida. As Democrats, we must reject any proposals that would do the same.

Your commitment to the voters of these states must be clearly stated and your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated.

I am asking you to join me in working with representatives from Florida and Michigan and the Democratic National Committee to arrive at a solution that honors the votes of the millions of people who went to the polls in Florida and Michigan. It is not enough to simply seat their representatives at the convention in Denver. The people of these great states, like the people who have voted and are to vote in other states, must have a voice in selecting our party's nominee.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton

[Kittycat]

1. Meanwhile, she turns down a more than generous plan to seat MI.

[flpoljunkie]

39. Uh huh. This letter is for the media and is not a serious effort on her part to reach a resolution.

[Tellurian]

51. It sure is...It's the only way she'll get a response from Obama..

and perhaps he'll be made to feel pangs of conscience for demanding "any" votes at all from MI!

Michigan beongs to Clinton. No one forced Obama to remove his name from the ballot.

He deserted Michigan voters in an act of political expedience. He did not want to upset the Iowa Caucus!

[Coexist]

47. my first thought.

[Name removed]

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[NC_Nurse]

5. Excuse me? Bitter much?

Sheesh!

[ej510]

45. I'm an Obama supporter the piece of trash is Hillary. Lol!

[NC_Nurse]

50. Oh. Still....that seems a awfully harsh.

:(

[FlyingSquirrel]

6. To whom were you referring as a "piece of trash"?

Either way it's unacceptable.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

27. He is calling

Obama a "piece of trash."

I think I hear Camp Town Race Track in the background. Doo-da-doo-da

[FlyingSquirrel]

30. I think I see the hearse pulling up

Hope there's enough to pay for the memorial

[rodeodance]

33. that is mild compared to what Obama fans have called Hillary today 1000 fold!

[SoonerPride]

34. That crap will fly for about 1 more week mister, then you will be 86d

oh, and fuck you very much.

[leftofcool]

3. It is the right thing to do

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. Not according to Hillary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg&feature=related

[Schema Thing]

25. No, it's not.

The elections in Florida and Michigan were simply not part of the democratic nomination process this year. It was their choice, and they chose not to be part of the process.

The actual voters, assuming they are not idiots, understand this, and will hold no animosity towards the national democratic party for the faults of their state democratic parties.

[Independent-Voter]

35. Big assumption you're making. Anyone arguing that MI and FL should be seated clearly aren't that

bright. The MI and FL state legislatures both passed measures with overwhelming approval from BOTH parties to move the dates back, thus fucking over their states.

[Hippo_Tron]

44. It's the politically expedient thing to do

Florida and Michigan broke the rules while 48 other states followed them. There's no such thing as disenfranchisement in a primary. Nobody has a constitutional or legal right to have a say in who the Democratic Party's nominee is.

[tekisui]

4. Yet, she turned down the latest compromise:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5886965

[GarbagemanLB]

7. Dearest Hillary,

it is over. You have lost. There is always 2016.

[kentuck]

8. She wants Obama to make a deal before the KY, WV, and PR primaries...

then she will look much stronger for the super delegates sitting on the fence.

on edit:

Also, is there any reason to believe that Obama wouldn't do much better than 40% in the state of MI if there was another election? I beleive he would beat her in an actual election in MI. I doubt that she would get 60% if there was competition on the ballot?

[LakeSamish706]

11. There was a deal hatched out by the DNC and MI Dems. and she turned it down. n/t

[LakeSamish706]

9. I see her as being so disingenuous... n/t

[Heather MC]

32. Read between the lines

I got this from another site:

Senator Barack Obama
Obama for America
P.O. Box 8102
Chicago, IL 60680

Dear Senator Obama,

This has been an historic and exciting campaign (YOU'RE WINNING AND I'M PISSED!). Millions of new voters have been brought into the process and their enthusiasm for the Democratic Party and the principles for which you and I have fought and continue to fight is unprecedented. (THE NEW VOTERS ARE VOTING FOR YOU AND I'M PISSED!)

One of the foremost principles of our party is that citizens be allowed to vote and that those votes be counted (THAT'S WHY I LEFT MY NAME ON MICHIGAN'S BALLOT DESPITE THE REQUEST TO REMOVE NAMES AS YOU DID, LIKE THE NON-LIAR YOU ARE). That principle is not currently being applied to the nearly 2.5 million people who voted in primaries in Florida and Michigan. Whoever emerges as the Democratic nominee will be hamstrung in the general election if a fair and quick resolution is not reached that ensures that the voices of these voters are heard. Our commitment now to this goal could be the difference between winning and losing in November. (ON THE REAL, I DESPERATELY NEED THESE TWO STATES TO COUNT SO I CAN STILL SNATCH THE NOMINATION FROM YOU)

I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted (EEEEK! DON'T LISTEN TO THIS WHERE I SAID MI AND FL WOULD NOT COUNT!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg). We cannot ignore the fact that the people in those states took the time to be a part of this process and to make their preferences known. When efforts were untaken by leaders in those states to hold revotes to ensure that they had a voice in selecting our nominee, I supported those efforts. In Michigan, I supported a legislative effort to hold a revote that the Democratic National Committee said was in complete compliance with the party's rules. You did not support those efforts and your supporters in Michigan publically opposed them. In Florida a number of revote options were proposed. I am not aware of any that you supported. In 2000, the Republicans won an election by successfully opposing a fair counting of votes in Florida. As Democrats, we must reject any proposals that would do the same. (I DESPERATELY NEED A REVOTE SO I CAN TRY TO SNATCH THE NOMINATION FROM YOU AND YOU WON'T HELP ME DO THAT!)

Your commitment to the voters of these states must be clearly stated and your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated. (YOU NEED TO DO WHAT I SAY OR ELSE!)


I am asking you (FORCING YOU!) to join me in working with representatives from Florida and Michigan and the Democratic National Committee to arrive at a solution that honors the votes of the millions of people who went to the polls in Florida and Michigan. It is not enough to simply seat their representatives at the convention in Denver. The people of these great states, like the people who have voted and are to vote in other states, must have a voice in selecting our party's nominee.

Sincerely,

Hillary Rodham Clinton

[skipos]

12. "I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot.

You know, It's clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything."

-Hillary, before she decided she needed us to win. Hillary only cares about us when it is in her best interest.

[Name removed]

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[godai]

14. ..."your support for a fair and quick resolution must be clearly demonstrated"

OK, Hillary, you go first. What's your definition of 'fair'. You've previously taken positions that give Sen. Obama zero votes in Michigan. Is that your definition of 'fair'?

[livetohike]

17. Fair of course, is whatever gives her the advantage

Rules are for all the little people.

[thereismore]

21. Yes I bet that's it. nt

[Missouri Girl]

15. What a ploy!

I think the compromise 59/69 was very fair. What is her problem? All she wants is for her to take all of her votes and he take zero. Anything less than that, she won't agree to. I go back to what I said once before. 50/50 split of the vote and the pledged delegates and no superdelegates at the convention.

This is not about the people in MI/FL - this is about her and she's using these folks.

[AZBlue]

16. Wow....that's quite a trap you've publicly set, Hillary.

I hate her and her vile tactics.

[thereismore]

18. "I have consistently said" is a lie. She signed the damned pledge. Why go down lying? nt

[Raine]

24. I don't believe she even knows the truth

anymore cause she lies so much. x(

[harun]

31. No one expects her to tell the truth about anything anymore (n/t)

[bunnies]

38. Im starting to believe she just cant help herself.

I cant wait until this is over.

[CatsDogsBabies]

19. Publishing this letter seems silly to me

a bit corny or junior-high like. What message are people suppose to take from it?

[high density]

20. Clinton wants nothing less than MI as is, that is 100% for Clinton 0% for Obama

And she is a nut for thinking that is going to happen. And the "consistently said" remark continues her path down the Bushco road of creating one's own reality.

Today her campaign turned down a pretty equitable split of the delegates for MI.

[wileedog]

28. But by publishing this letter she gets to keep spinning it against Obama

And this is why many want this race shut down. Because foolishly this DOES have a chance to harm him in the GE with MI voters, some of who will take her at her word.

[EFerrari]

22. Can't she do ANYTHING that is just straightforward and not

manipulative as hell?

[AllentownJake]

23. From 23/6

Obama to Hillary 6:35pm: Welcome to the Jungle. Of pain. Just give it up already.
Hilary to Obama 6:51pm: I've got Indiana.
Obama to Hillary 7:01pm: HAHA INDIANA YOU SKANK
Hillary to Obama 7:05pm: If I drop out, can I be your VP?
Obama to Hillary 7:07pm: Definitely.
Hillary to Obama 7:12pm: Fine. Will make announcement momentarily.
Obama to Hillary 7:16pm: PSYCH! SUCKITSUCKITSUCKITSUCKIT!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 8=====================D ← that's my fire dong!

http://www.236.com/blog/w/jake_goldman/text_messages_from_last_nights_1_6366.php

[sandnsea]

26. Dear Hillary, Fuck Off n/t

[bowens43]

29. fuck you very much hillary

[Jersey Devil]

36. Dear Sen Clinton: In the words your buddy Jim Carville

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

[SoCalDem]

40. and "politics ain't beanbag"

:rofl:

[harun]

37. If this was a sincere request and not just propaganda she would not have

made it public.

[SoCalDem]

41. yep.. she's just pissing in the pool again

so her "devoted" followers can say "that mean black man disrespected mizzz hillary again"

[TexasObserver]

42. Dear HRC: FU, BHO

[Poll_Blind]

43. She'll be pulling down the drapes as they drag her from the convention.

"Mine, this nomination is miiiiiiiiiiiine! Oh, that's mine too!" (snatches for a coffee pot)

"Give it to meeee!" (Accidentally douses herself with hot coffee, only becomes more enraged like some Satanic lobster.)

"Fuck youuuuuu! Give me that!" (Snatches a flag pin off of one of the delegates, and eats it.)

"I am fucking America! I am Ameri- MIIIIIINE!"

PB

[theboss]

46. Well I'm gonna to go then. And I don't need any of this.

I don't need this stuff, and I don't need you. I don't need anything except this.

And that's it and that's the only thing I need, is this. I don't need this or this. Just this ashtray. And this paddle game, the ashtray and the paddle game and that's all I need. And this remote control. The ashtray, the paddle game, and the remote control, and that's all I need. And these matches. The ashtray, and these matches, and the remote control and the paddle ball. And this lamp. The ashtray, this paddle game and the remote control and the lamp and that's all I need. And that's all I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one - I need this. The paddle game, and the chair, and the remote control, and the matches, for sure. And this. And that's all I need. The ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.

And I don't need one other thing, except my dog.

[my3boyz]

48. Dear Hillary: GO TO HELL! nt

[mckeown1128]

49. uh oh...she lied.... she has not "consistantly said the votes...should be counted"

NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858



The media of course will do their homework and report this... right... (cricket)... (cricket)...