DELEGATE COUNT: Obama: 1850----Hillary: 1700

[Carrieyazel]

When you look at these numbers from MSNBC, Hillary is only 150 delegates behind, and it seems very close.

I think this is the main reason she's staying in: 1,700 delegates for her is a lot of delegates. And she's running the closest ever nomination campaign for someone who is slightly behind the frontrunner.

Obama still hasn't clinched, even with supers. That's why Hillary won't leave yet.

[Quixote1818]

1. But there are not very many Delegates left which turns that 150

delegate gap into a vast ocean for her. Nearly impossible for her to make up.

[goodhue]

3. Indeed only 217 pledged delegates remain up for grabs

[maddiejoan]

11. In point of fact all the SDs are still "up for grabs"

and could change their minds anytime they like before the convention.

[goodhue]

14. yes, well, I was speaking of pledged delegates

the reality is that if SDs produce a result counter to the pledged preference there will be havoc
and in point of esoteric fact, any delegate pledged or otherwise is free to vote however they like

[Tellurian]

4. Obama has won his elections by running off his opponents..

THIS ONE WON'T FOLD!

OBAMA CAN'T CLOSE!

:rofl:

http://www.taylormarsh.com/images2/hillaryclinton_wideweb__470x308,02.jpg

[Renew Deal]

6. Hillary has never run against a serious challenger.

Hillary doesn't know what it takes to win.

[Tellurian]

7. Hillary has run twice for Senator..and NEVER Lost a race..

her opponents didn't FOLD either!

Obama has never Won a race against an opponent that didn't hand it to him!

[Carrieyazel]

12. Neither has Obama in a general election.

Alan Keyes?

[enid602]

8. no

No, Obama's (probably paid) apparatchiks on websites like this crucify the opposition in order to eliminate them. But his hands are clean.

[enid602]

9. no

No, Obama's (probably paid) apparatchiks on websites like this crucify the opposition in order to eliminate them. But his hands are clean.

[Bicoastal]

2. It doesn't HAVE to be a landslide. He just has to have more votes and more delegates than she does.

That's how a primary season works, normally. The only thing that bothers me are the people who believe HRC voters would NEVER turn around and vote for Obama in the GE. Never!

It'd be disloyal to the Clintons, right? :eyes:

[Alexander]

5. It "seems very close" until you look at the remaining delegates.

She simply can't win enough in the upcoming primaries to overtake Obama's pledged delegate lead, and superdelegates aren't going to overturn the results and deny the winner of the pledged delegates and popular vote the nomination.

[rocktivity]

10. Obama needs only 33 pledged delegates to clinch the lead

which will he certainly have by May 20 even with low numbers in WV and KY. Hillary needs 202 pledged delegates to clinch, which she can get only if she wins all six of the remaining contests with 86% of the vote. That's why the "migration" of superdelgates toward Obama has been just a trickle--just enough to chew away her lead (which now nearly in the single digits). After May 20th, Obama will need no more than 134 of them (out of about 400), then the floodgates will open.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Carrieyazel]

17. But he won't clinch the majority of all delegates until after June 3

[rocktivity]

18. Do correct me if I'm wrong, but:

- If Obama gets more 33 more pledged delegates before Hillary gets 202 more, she won't be able to surpass him under any circumstances.

- I don't believe the superdelegates are required to wait until all the primaries are over

- The person who gets to 2025 total delegates FIRST wins.

Of course, what happens at the May 31 DNC meeting regarding the MI/FL delegates will be a factor, too.

:headbang:
rocknation

[kentuck]

13. Does that mean Obama only needs 175 for the nomination?

How many total delegates do WV and KY have? I think it's about 25 delegates per state? And Puerto Rico has about 60-odd delegates? How many of those can Hillary win since she will be favored in those states. Obama may be favored in OR, MT, and SD. So there is a slim chance....isn't there??

[Bucky]

15. That's racist!

Puerto Ricans are not "odd"!

Oops, sorry. I take it back. I thought I was in GDP there for a second. Nevermind.

[rocktivity]

16. According to his website, Obama needs 169 total, 33 to clinch

WV has 28, KY has 62. If he can manage even 30% of the votes there (which would prevent Hillary from getting the 86% of the vote she needs), he'll have 27. He can easily make up the difference in Oregon, which he is favored to win. So Obama should have no problem clinching my May 20. On the other hand, Hillary needs 202 to clinch.

:headbang:
rocknation