My last post about the primary! It's over (with the math)

[mckeown1128]

I was playing around with CNN's nifty delegate calculator and I discovered something interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


This BS about Hillary still being able to win is pretty impossible an here's why:

If Obama were to get 64% of the remaining SDs he would have 2024 delegates. He wouldn't have to compete in any more primaries at all.

If Hillary were to get 64% of the remaining SDs she would fall far short. She would have to win 73% of the remaining delegates... a feat that would take a significantly higher vote total to reach under DNC rules. With Obama expected to win OR, MT, and SD. She doesn't stand a chance. WHY is she still in this? Why is she running attack adds against Obama in Oregon? I understand that she needs to raise money to pay off her debts.... but WHY THE HELL is she still out there attacking Obama?

I want a Clinton support to post in here why she is attacking Obama when she clearly doesn't have a shot to win anymore.



That being said... I am no longer going to post or comment about the primary... because that only feeds the trolls. It's over. Time for the powers that be to change GDP to GDGE.

[DontTreadOnMe]

1. But...

it's not over, until Hillary says it's over.

(even if the majority of the country doesn't agree with you.)

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3. Do you have a link to that statistic?

I have one of my own...

"Most Democrats Not Eager for Either Candidate to Drop Out"

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107029/Most-Democrats-Eager-Either-Candidate-Drop.aspx

[mckeown1128]

6. deleted..

sorry thought you were talking to me :)

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8. *****Hasn't been about the MATH in 2 months*****

Dur

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12. !!!!!!

:)

TGIF

[mckeown1128]

7. A lot has changed since that poll was taken...

find me a post Indiana/North Carolina poll.

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2. It hasn't been about "The Math" for about 2 months now.

[Xipe Totec]

4. you are now officially a pundit

and disregarded accordingly...

It ain't over, till it's over.

And until then, it ain't over.

[Blarch]

5. It's not over yet

hillary and her supporters are hoping the votes will be ignored and she will get installed as nominee.

Get it ?

Her supporters are hoping the votes will be ignored.

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9. (Or Counted)

Either way.

[mckeown1128]

10. eh?

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11. Eh?

MI & FL

[mckeown1128]

15. So you really believe that zero people in MI

want Obama to be president, because that was his vote total?

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17. NO. He should get 1/3 of Uncommitted.

Because other than Clinton, that is how many other serious candidates were on the ballot.

And nobody is psychic enough to distribute the votes to the candidate of original intent.



Or, MI Dems, the DNC, and both candidates could have taken a weekend at a Dayton Holiday Inn and arm-wrestled their way towards a revote...

That would have worked too.

[mckeown1128]

21. wow...so you think Obama should get 1/3 of the 45% uncommited...

how is that fair... it wasn't a sanctioned primary... Many dems stayed home, voted in the repubs, and (according to the exit polling) just picked a candidate to vote for (20% of Hillary voters wanted Obama to be president)

This isn't some third world country... all the candidates must have their name on the ballot and be able to campaign. Obama, Edwards, Hillary, and the voters were told that the vote wasn't going to delegates. how is it fair to any of them to change what the vote was about after the fact? The only thing worse than not letting the voters vote is to assume their intent based on an unsanctioned election where the voters were told to stay home.

How dare Hillary, you, and other's try to create non-existent delegates to manipulate the election. MI and FL Dems have ZERO right to vote in DNC party. The DNC can make their own rules (and enforce them any way they want.)

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23. Whoa...You really missed what I was trying to say.

If they vote totals are to stand the way they are, then Obama should be awarded (at least) 1/3 of the uncommitted vote. Saying that Obama should be awarded the ENTIRE uncommitted percentage would be the very definition of attempting to divine the will of the voter.

This WAS a sanctioned & certified primary election. I don't know why you are trying to say it wasn't. The primary was executed fully using the rules of the Michigan Democratic Party.

It should have never been allowed to get this far, though. Not one ballot should have been allowed cast without an agreement with the State party and the DNC.

[mckeown1128]

24. Ummm.... it wasn't sanctioned for DNC rules...

the Michigan party can hold however many mock elections they want... but the DNC presidential nominating process isn't run my the Michigan Democratic Party... it's run by the National party. So it was an UNsanctioned primary...as in .... it doesn't count.


"attempting to divine the will of the voter"... umm that would be taking the primary suspect primary results and treating them like a real election. People were told by the candidates and party officials that their vote was....for....nothing....aka wasn't going to count for anything. That would normally be called voters suppresion...except it was true.. It only becomes voter suppression if someone tries to count the votes from a contest a primary that people weren't fully informed (as in told... it would count)


you can't tell voters to stay home on a voting day then say "surprise the vote really did count"



You can't possibly be trying to justify using those results... Voter's have to know BEFORE hand whether a vote is symbolic or for actual delegates.... It's called democracy. Not blindocracy... Voters have to know what they are voting on.


And you are right it shouldn't have gotten this far. I don't blame the DNC. They did what they had to do to keep the states in line. MI and FL screwed the pooch on this one.

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26. Well. Problem is, they DIDN'T keep the states in line.

This can only end badly.

[mckeown1128]

32. You can rest assured that...

if the DNC holds firm on not allowing MI and FL to get away with breaking the rules.... it will never happen again. States won't ever jump ahead...because they will know what the consequences are.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

33. You should have

asked for one of the reasonable Hillary supporters to reply to your OP.

This one's (proudn2000) sig line pretty much says it all. It is hateful and delusional.

Your math is, as far as the rest of the planet is concerned, correct.

You need to understand... It is okay for Hillary R. Clinton to play dirty and to use whatever means they can come up with to win.

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34. ...

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

[cliffordu]

25. Aw, I donno....

YOU said

"And nobody is psychic enough to distribute the votes to the candidate of original intent."

That would pretty much make that primary void, now wouldn't it??



A third of the uncommitted is funny, though. I know- Let's give HER a third!!

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27. No. People actually voted for her.

Primary being made void?

Why?

Was there fraud?

[cliffordu]

28. YOu just said there was no way to fairly distribute the votes....

Standing around and saying "what's mine is mine, what's yours is negotiable" is spurious...

And besides, she agreed that Mi. wouldn't count anyhow, didn't she??

I understand she needs to move the goalposts to pretend to be competitive at this stage, but really.

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29. I didn't say that. I said there is no way to divine voter intent.

And I forgot about ol' Mike Gravel

Give 1/4 to Dodd, 1/4 to Gravel, 1/4 to Kucinich, and 1/4 to Obama.


See everyone was happy and nobody had to bother with a silly re-vote to fix this mess.

[cliffordu]

30. Naw, I'm thinking half and half.

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31. Hillary gets half of uncommitted along with Obama.

I can live with that.

Because more than 50% of the Democratic Party votes were for her.

[mckeown1128]

35. Uhh...the vote wasn't fair....

voters were told to stay home... and half the candidates weren't even on the ballot.

[BlooInBloo]

13. Um, the number required is always...

... 10 more than he has.

A Greek tragedy if ever there was one. :(

[Lerrad]

14. Oh!, But Wait. You for got there are 57 States So Hillary Can Win! n/t

[mckeown1128]

16. I see you've started your time on DU...

by taunting the presumed Democratic nominee..

[Lerrad]

18. I have been a member since 2003...

... under the user name KerryOn. I lost my user name, because I have not posted here in probably over a year.

It's good to be back.

[Lerrad]

19. Not taunting, just making fun of it. I support Obama. n/t

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20. Tensions are REALLY HIGH right now because of Hillary Clinton's presumed BLOWOUT in WV on 5/13.

:P

[ORDem]

22. Hillary's been running at this goal for, what?, at least 20 years. It's going to

take her a few days to wind down, and deal with the reality. Think of the amount of pain she is trying to deny.

:nopity: