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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:53 PM Original message |
My Take: If Hillary Nets 540,000 Votes Out Of WV, KY, And Puerto Rico..We're Going To The Convention |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. We've heard this before ... |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Well let's see what happens Tuesday then. I hope you're right. |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
60. Nonsense. It's over. Period. The elected delegates are all that matter now. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Rassmussen says if she won every delegate next that she's still out |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:07 AM Response to Reply #60 |
86. Yep. Straw grasping is growing extremely tiring.... nt |
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my3boyz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
97. Not gonna happen in a state like West Virginia. nt |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. That does not help with delegates. |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. She doesn't care about delegates anymore. She hasn't cared about delegates since Feb. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Is this to be the only election in the history of the United States |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Well, that is what the super delegates were created for. |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:46 PM Original message |
And she needs over 80% of those remaining to win |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
41. She's "going for the popular vote" because she CAN'T get the delgates |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
61. Who gives a hoot what she goes for. The rules have already been established |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:17 AM Response to Reply #3 |
98. highly doubtful |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
94. of course it's about delegates |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well, I've been working my ass off for Obama in Northern Kentucky... |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. That's good to hear, thanks for the report. A truly closed primary. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
59. If that happens then the goal of every state party in the future should be to break the |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
35. Jen, that's interesting about Kentucky's voter rules |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:54 AM Response to Reply #35 |
78. Kentucky party-switching hasn't been very well advertised |
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davidpdx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No kidding |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
40. Thanks so much, VolcanoJen! |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #40 |
77. My pleasure, and Obama will give his victory speech in Oregon, most likely |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:00 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Oh, that's right..I forgot.. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
48. Jen - |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #48 |
67. You realize 1 it isn't winner take all... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #67 |
70. WHOA |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:49 AM Response to Reply #48 |
74. Obama's already won the pledged delegates. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Please read post 70. I replied thinking that it was you, but alas |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:57 AM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Thank goodness you admit you weren't making an "argument" |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I never said it did. |
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Secret_Society (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #5 |
68. I would think a closed primary would help HRC |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Until one discovers that one has been a Registered Independent |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:35 AM Response to Reply #5 |
72. have you heard of the robo calls by "Lamont Williams" |
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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
88. Yes, OR will be producing 65 delegates total: 55 PD, 10 SD. Our rep. DeFazio |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm still trying to figure out why Puerto Rican people would vote for |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. I don't think Puerto Rico is necessarily going for Clinton |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. That's what I'm thinking..... |
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ZinZen (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. My opinion is she got the Latino vote |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. I don't think so either....especially after revealing her true self. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. And you know, of course, that there really is no such thing as the |
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4themind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
57. And she'd probably not be well served in referring to Puerto Ricans as Latino's |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
87. Has she made a wispy "I'll fight for your statehood" promise to them yet? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
95. Mark my words: they won't. n/t |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
104. And most Puerto Ricans are of mixed heritage, AA/Latino along |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
7. well done |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
8. You forgot that you have to ignore all the Causus states |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. She's already said caucus states don't matter time and time again. |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:22 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. So she says puerto rico counts, but real states don't - if that is how she plans to win F HER! |
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datopbanana (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
9. Maybe if popular vote mattered. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. I agree....... |
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milkyway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. I'm actually looking forward to hearing the Clintons argue that Puerto Rican voters count and caucus |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Don't forget Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota, Nebraska.... |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. I mean, really. Try selling "Puerto Rico counts" to the supers, let alone the media. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. I thought they had changed and are not going to hold cacuses. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. You are aware that he just packed away 10 super delegates today |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
55. I guess if enough supers actually go to him it could end it, but... |
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4themind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Obama will still control the credentials committee at the convention IMO |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
16. The Clintons are doing a political remake of "The Devil's Rejects" and it's Freaking me OUT! |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. My take: it's OVER. Her campaign is on life support and dying fast. |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
19. WV has less then 2 million people total in it |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I live in WV and voted today... for John Edwards... Did Hill know that? |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
108. Well.. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. And, I posted this above, Kentucky's draconian party-switching rules present problems... |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
22. She's *been* yammering about the popular vote |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
27. This goes to the convention undecided, we lose. |
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Ioo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Hillary does not care about Nov, she will sink us all if she does not win. All about her! |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:44 AM Response to Reply #31 |
92. I agree, but I also believe the more she trys to destroy Obama, the stronger he gets |
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Blondiegrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
28. If Hillary nets only 100 votes, we're still going to the convention. |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
30. No, it's not a wrap as of yet, but the NEGATIVITY has come from Team-Hilly, NOT US ! |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
32. The Superdelegates won't let that happen... nt |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
33. If he's got the delegates sewn up, it AINT going to the convention. |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
34. You have to be a Republican. This goes to August and any fool know the Democrats loose in November. |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Are you kidding? This is a worst case scenerio for me. I'm just saying it's possible. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. It is "lose" not "loose". |
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Nia Zuri (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
37. One little problem with that... |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
38. You're more than right. |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
39. Two issues |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
53. Three more issues |
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Snarkoleptic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
43. 39 posts and zero recs...because...you know...you suck.... |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. Uh, I'm an Obama supporter. I'm just giving us a dose of reality that this thing isn't done yet. |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
44. Have you seen that he's ahead in superdelegates now, too? |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
45. So how does she get there broke? |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
46. All of you that think the popular vote holds no weight in the democratic party after what... |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
62. I didn't know there were caucus states in the 2004 general election... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
50. I will believe her winning 70/30 in West Virginia when I see it |
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4themind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-09-08 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
54. Very good analysis but I think there are a few things you may want to consider |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Those are all really great points, but even under your analysis it's still likely... |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
64. how good of an argument is it to include PR when the point you are making is popular vote |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:26 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Howard Wolfson said on hardball that they're counting the Pop. Vote out of Puerto Rico. |
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Hamlette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:32 AM Response to Reply #66 |
96. I just saw that, Chris was laughing at Wolfson. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
65. Puerto Rico will be closer than what you think. |
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cemaphonic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
71. Why should the SDs care about the popular vote in PR? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
73. The Supers, Pelosi, and Dean all realize that if it goes to the convention, we all lose... |
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Dems to Win (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
79. I agree 100%. I just posted this at mybarackobama.com |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. Yea, they're talking about going to general elections states instead already. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
83. The SDs will stop her in her tracks very, very soon by putting Obama over the top. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
84. And Obama will take Oregon, Montana and South Dakota by wide margins |
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ShadowLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
89. You forgot one factor, news media + late night comedy |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #89 |
109. agreed about the late night comedy factor. Hillary won't benefit from being a joke |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:23 AM Response to Original message |
91. I don't think Hillary would stay in if she didn't think she could pull off a win. |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #91 |
103. Since when do people put their hand over their heart during the National Anthem? |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Like I said before, I don't support either candidate-because they are both DINOs. |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Haha, I never said Obama wasn't flawed, or that I didn't have problems with him... |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 04:29 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. I've blasted Hillary too. I don't like either candidate-they are DINOs picked by the GOP. |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
93. How the hell do you "push for MI to be seated so that she nets around (X%) of popular votes cast"?? |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
99. People who understand that its practically impossible |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:08 AM Response to Original message |
100. Start from the end point: Clinton wins nomination. |
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Samantha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
101. She cannot make a legitimate case for winning the popular vote |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:14 AM Response to Original message |
102. Why vote at all if all you are going to do is take some arcane |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
107. A lot of supers are waiting for Obama to get the majority of pledged delegates |
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