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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:01 AM
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Those super delegates must be really stupid
I keep hearing from some HRC supporters here that she is more electable in the GE. They flash a snapshot poll that is usually within the margin of error and claim that is their evidence. However, what it isn't capturing is the millions of new young voters that will become disillusioned with the process if the super delegates steal this election from Obama. These young voters are the cell phone generation that don't answer polls. They are registering in record levels and we have already seen what kind of impact Obama has had in once republican districts that have now elected a Democrat as rep.

As the front runner, Obama is taking all of the scrutiny from the MSM, Clinton and McCain. His poll numbers will naturally go down a little. Many voters have a very short attention span. Heck even McCain has completely moved on to fighting Obama exclusively. He doesn't even waste time and money on HRC because it is impossible for her to win.

All of the dynamics will change once HRC and her ego step aside. These polls are meaningless right now and the SD's know it. That is why Obama has gotten the vast majority of them in the last several months. Most of them know a lot more about electoral politics than any HRC supporter on this site. So you have to ask yourself; why are the supers still flocking to Obama?
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:18 AM
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1. Don't Forget African Americans
I mean, the ones supporting Obama. If they feel this primary process was unfair to them or "cheated" their candidate - which they likely will if the mostly white super delegates or party insiders make Clinton the nominee - they very well may stay home in November.

The Clintons have done a lot for African Americans. In any other race, they could count on that vote, even more so than many other Democratic candidates can.

I think that dynamic would change with the perception that Obama, an African American candidate, had the nomination taken from him.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:23 AM
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2. I agree.
Then the streets could get very dangerous if Obama had the nomination taken from him.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:24 AM
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3. By HRC's logic that all these white voters won't support Obama in the GE,
she will lose all the black support.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:45 AM
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8. We're counting black votes now?
:rofl:
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The River Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:28 AM
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4. The Kool Aid?
What else could it be?
What else could top her 8 years experience
as "first lady" or combat experience in Bosnia?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:31 AM
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5. The Super Delegates
Edited on Sat May-10-08 08:33 AM by Jake3463
Are trying to give her the chance to do the right thing. Yesterday was a warning shot when 9 superdelegates endorsed Obama in one day. I'm sure it was privately communicated to her if she keeps up this hard working white folks bullshit she's running around with she's going to be dragged from the stage before June 3.

She gave a presentation to the supers and only her loyal supporters showed up in DC...the undecideds were all "busy" at that time.

Meanwhile Obama walked into the capital and was mobbed.

She has over 260 super delegates and only could get 16 to sign a memo with her talking points.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:42 AM
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7. I agree with you about the warning shot
the Obama campaign is probably holding back some of the supers to get the most out of the news cycle as they can. For instance, it would be better for him to take the super delegate lead slightly before one of the better nights where people are actually watching the news (it's common on the weekend for most to be too busy to watch the news).
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:37 AM
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6. I never use my landline except for DSL
My kids are going to be old enough to vote soon and they only have cell phones, and I can't imagine why they'd bother with landlines. Yes, telephone polling is becoming obsolete. Perhaps this has something to do with why McCain is doing well in certain polls.

But, anyway, I see Hillary's appeal and if she wants to be VP that would be great.
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 08:45 AM
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9. Her appeal is fading fast though. She is becoming damaged goods. n/t
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:04 AM
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10. These cell phone young voters....
...won't come out in vote like you think.

In every election since 1980, more and more young voters have registered to vote. They don't come out to vote like the registrations would suggest. While I don't think they should be forgotten, I don't think they can be counted as an "in the bag" demographic to rely on.
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