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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:14 PM
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Seeds of Destruction (What exactly are Hillary and Bill trying to do?)

Hillary Holds Private Conference Call With Her Super-Dels: "I Know This Is Not Easy"

By Greg Sargent - May 10, 2008, 2:55PM

Hillary held a private rally-the-troops conference call with her super-delegate supporters this afternoon, urging them to believe that "this race is not over," vowing to them she'd promote Dem unity after the primary, and conceding that she knows what they and the party are going through "is not easy."

Somewhat tantalizingly, Hillary also claimed that there were back-channel talks of some kind going on between the two campaigns, possibly about how to maintain Democratic unity after the primary. Asked by a super-delegate whether there were discussions going on between the two camps about what would happen after the voting concluded, she said:

"There's a lot of communication between both of the campaigns all the time. I don't know how specific it is, but we have very open lines of communication...I know that both Senator Obama and I are committed, and the campaigns are as well, to making sure that when this is resolved" we will do everything we can to "unify the party." She didn't elaborate further.

The call -- convened for super-dels committed to supporting her -- provided a glimpse into the campaign's behind-the-scenes efforts to prevent supporters from bolting even as her prospects grow bleaker by the day.

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“I think the tipping point was reached around midnight last Tuesday,” said Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, predicting a “significant and steady movement toward Obama” by superdelegates.

Clinton advisers say attacks on Mr. Obama are no longer enough to change the momentum or the outcome of the nomination race. So continuing to attack him on the campaign trail, at this point, would probably inflict more long-term harm on Mrs. Clinton than on Mr. Obama, her advisers said.

Mr. Obama made his own peace offering to the Clinton camp, albeit a tactical one, suggesting he would be open to helping her retire her campaign debt. “I’d want to have a broad-ranging discussion with Senator Clinton about how I could make her feel good about the process and have her on the team moving forward,” he said. “But as I said, it’s premature right now. She’s still actively running, and we’ve still got business to do right here in Oregon and in other states.”

The tonal change in Mrs. Clinton’s campaigning away from sharp engagement with Mr. Obama could reflect cold political calculation: with elements of the party now coalescing around him, her own political legacy may be at stake in the few weeks remaining before primary voting comes to a close on June 3.

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Bill Clinton's Message to Rural America

May 10, 2008 2:43 PM

As Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., avoids any real campaigning in West Virginia, the former president of the United States is out there ginning up resentments.

Bill Clinton has the right to say whatever he wants, of course. But he's a smart man. Brilliant, even.

He can do the math. He must know that it's quite improbable that his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., will be the Democratic presidential nominee.

So what purpose does it serve for him to barnstorm a state like West Virginia and tell rural voters that Obama and his elitist political/media cabal allies are mocking Appalachia?

He's using the kind of language Democrats typically use against Republicans -- as in, stuff you say when you don't want voters to vote for the other guy under any circumstance.

This is tough stuff to walk back from.

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I don't get it. Do they know it's over? Are they going to stop the race baiting? Hillary has a significant lead in WV and KY so why continue making divisive statements?

Op-Ed Columnist

Seeds of Destruction

By BOB HERBERT
Published: May 10, 2008

The Clintons have never understood how to exit the stage gracefully.

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The Clintons have been trying to embed that gruesomely destructive message in the brains of white voters and superdelegates for the longest time. It’s a grotesque insult to African-Americans, who have given so much support to both Bill and Hillary over the years.

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But it’s an insult to white voters as well, including white working-class voters. It’s true that there are some whites who will not vote for a black candidate under any circumstance. But the United States is in a much better place now than it was when people like Richard Nixon, George Wallace and many others could make political hay by appealing to the very worst in people, using the kind of poisonous rhetoric that Senator Clinton is using now.

I don’t know if Senator Obama can win the White House. No one knows. But to deliberately convey the idea that most white people — or most working-class white people — are unwilling to give an African-American candidate a fair hearing in a presidential election is a slur against whites.

The last time the Clintons had to make a big exit was at the end of Bill Clinton’s second term as president — and they made a complete and utter hash of that historic moment. Having survived the Monica Lewinsky ordeal, you might have thought the Clintons would be on their best behavior.

Instead, a huge scandal erupted when it became known that Mrs. Clinton’s brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham, had lobbied the president on behalf of criminals who then received presidential pardons or a sentence commutation from Mr. Clinton.

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The Clintons should be ashamed of themselves. But they long ago proved to the world that they have no shame.




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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:15 PM
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1. oh stop it
How many different versions of this junk will be posted?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:22 PM
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2. "How many different versions of this junk will be posted?"
Edited on Sat May-10-08 03:29 PM by ProSense
Oh, the problem is how often the Clintons are called out, not the fact that they continue their divisiveness?

Maybe you can direct your "oh stop it" to Hillary's campaign.



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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:49 PM
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6. Well said...thats what some people don't understand. we don't attack because we want to kick a dead
horse....we kick because we're still get dirt flung in our eyes.
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Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:28 AM
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9. Until people like yourself see the Clintons for what they are..
enemies of Democracy.

Tell us when you get it, and we'll stop.

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:25 PM
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3. Good thread.
They're beyond ridiculous. They're dangerous.

K/R
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:35 PM
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4. I was ready to back off the Clinton's after NC since it was inevitable that Obama was the nominee.

I was ready to back off, give her and her supporters time to digest the facts, adjust to the new paradigm, cope with the disappointment. But when the Clinton's continue their divisive, mean spirited, win at any cost BULLSHIT - even though IT CANNOT POSSIBLY HELP HER WIN THE NOMINATION AND WILL ONLY HURT THE DEM PARTY AND THE COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPL - then fuck it. I will continue to criticize them and their supporters for condoning their behavior, no championing it.

Time to get them out. Truly despicable. Especially when Bill out and out LIES, and he KNOWS he's lying, about Obama, AND he actually has the nerve to have his LIES against Obama be things the THE CLINTONS HAVE ACTUALLY DONE THEMSELVES!!!

They are both in it for themselves. They could give a rat's ass about any one of us, the Dem party or the country as a whole.

FUCK THEM BOTH.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:42 PM
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5. Seeds of destruction
growing strange fruit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:36 PM
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8. Strange statement:
"vowing to them she'd promote Dem unity after the primary"

Wow!


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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:52 PM
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7. Does anyone truly believe the Clinton's won't try to sabotage Obama in the GE? They want Pres. McCa
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:07 AM
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11. I don't think they feels it's a big deal, what bad could McSame do?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:05 AM
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10. Foment the birth of a separate, centrist party in the DLC mold.
At this point, they appear to be trying to catalyze the split
(between the DLCers and the Progressives/Liberals) that we've
all been talking about for years.

Tesha
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:21 PM
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12. Problem is Clinton strategy of us versus them is working.
The more slanderous statements I read from Hillary Clinton supporters the more I think about those Jim Jones' cults, Republican cries for impeachment no matter what kinds of policies Clinton passed or what he did, or when a die hard fan of a sports team sticks by that team after 10 years of defeat.

It doesn't matter that Hillary Clinton can't get the popular vote without ignoring DNC rules that she agreed to.

It doesn't matter that Hillary Clinton would have cut out Florida and Michigan when she thought she was winning nor does it matter that Harold Ickes was a part of the DNC body who created that process (they did have representation). It doesn't matter that Terry McAuliffe actually stripped state parties in the past for the same reason as Howard Dean is stripping those state parties now.

It doesn't matter that the majority of pledge delegates which represent the process everyone who ran in this year's primary agreed to have already been allocated according to the DNC map and are going to vote for the other guy.

It doesn't even matter that a head count of superdelegates votes has already been taken behind the scenes and Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Jim Clyborne and Nancy Pelosi know what the deal is.


All that matters is that she lost and it is not fair. It is not fair because someone in the DNC or on the Obama side did something malignant and spiteful to Hillary Clinton. It is not fair because she lost.

It reminds me of the times when children throw those unbelievable tantrums in supermarkets or department stores and young inexperienced parents look embarrassed on one hand and furious on the other. The child on the floor does not care what he or she looks like so long as they get their way. We're the parents standing in the room while Republicans and Independents watch us handle the child with their own opinion of how we should deal with this child. Will we give in or are their consequences for being an absolute sore loser?
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