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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:19 PM
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"I don't think it's possible"
Edited on Sat May-10-08 03:23 PM by H2O Man
"I don’t think it’s possible." – Senator Ted Kennedy on the possibility of an Obama-Clinton ticket; Political Capital with Al Hunt.

As the democratic party moves closer to making Senator Barack Obama the nominee for the 2008 presidential election, there has been speculation on who he is considering for his running mate. Some people, including former representative Harold Ford – who is now the DLC Chairman – have suggested that because of the split between the Obama and Clinton camps, it may be necessary for Obama to chose Senator Clinton. Others have noted that this could allow for the Obama campaign to retire the huge debt that the Clinton campaign suffers from.

Senator Ted Kennedy, who endorsed Barack Obama in late January, has been quoted as saying that he does not think an Obama-Clinton ticket is a good idea. Without naming an alternative, the Elder Statesman of the Democratic Party stated that Obama should select someone who "is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people." Kennedy also said that a VP with a national security background would be a bonus, but not essential, because Obama has proven that he has a good grasp of foreign policy.

When questioned about Senator Kennedy’s position, his spokesman Anthony Coley said it was based upon the "tenor of the campaign" in recent weeks. I thought it might be interesting to review this in the context of events from January, when Senator Kennedy endorsed Barack Obama, to the surprise of many.

As always, when he consider political campaigns, we break the public into three general groups: {a} those who support you; {b} those who oppose you; and {c} the undecided. We will keep these three groups in mind, as we examine the four reasons that Ted Kennedy decided to endorse Obama.

(1) Internal polls indicated that Senator Clinton was unlikely to win the general election against a republican candidate in November. While she had high levels of loyal support in Group A, Hillary Clinton has very high "negatives." A Clinton campaign would unite the Group B republicans and conservatives who dislike her, and her husband. Her ability to attract Group C support was viewed as marginal.

(2) Obama was showing the ability to beat any of the republican candidates in the general election. His ability to attract a growing Group A had become evident. There were concerns about the potential Group B opposition, but Obama was not a lightening rod for republican hostility in the way that the Clintons are. And Obama showed the ability to win Group C support when the public learned more about him.

(3) Senator Kennedy was concerned that the Clinton campaign would create serious divisions within the democratic party, including a racial divide, by using negative campaign tactics in the primary. These fractures would be targets for the republican opposition to exploit in the fall. At the time, there were reports of a heated phone conversation between Senator Kennedy and former President Clinton regarding this issue. Since then, there have been a number of related reports, including the recent article that detailed Sidney Blumenthal’s use of rabid right-wing sources in an attempt to discredit Obama.

(4) Senator Obama was attempting to run a positive campaign, which reflects his approach to dealing with the problems that have divided the American people, and allowed serious damage to be done to our Constitutional democracy.

In the time since Ted Kennedy’s endorsement, those four things have been reinforced. Senator Clinton has noted that if we were the republican party, she would have already won the nomination. The truth is that her campaign was run by people like Mark Penn, who indeed thought in republican and reptilian ways. The Obama campaign has reflected the strength of the democratic grass roots. Though Clinton has won some big states, Obama has won twice as many states, and leads in popular vote, delegates, and super delegates. The Clinton campaign has relied upon large donors, and has incurred huge debts; the Obama campaign has attracted small donors, and has a significant bank account.

At this point, it is important not only for Senator Obama to win the November election, but also to head a ticket that reflects a new approach to leadership. The ticket will set the tone for the congressional contests, as well. There are many good democrats for Barack Obama to consider for his running mate. But I agree with Senator Ted Kennedy, that Hillary Clinton is not a good choice at this time.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:21 PM
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1. Fix your spelling error in your headline--and yes, I don't think it is possible either.....
nor should it be.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:03 PM
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3. Damn. Now I can't make my possum missile joke.

;)

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:52 PM
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17. it is certainly possible
just not a very good idea IMO. A good part of my opposition to Hillary is not just that she is not progressive enough, but that she would fire up the Republicans and turn off independents and progressives. Putting her on the ticket just brings back all of that baggage.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 03:25 PM
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2. Agreed.
Recommended
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:05 PM
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4. It's NOT possible, Michelle can't stand Hillary
and we all know Michelle is the boss (j/k)

GOBAMA!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:06 PM
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5. Can you blame her?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:15 PM
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8. hell NO!
I'd defend my husband the same way, and Michelle knows what's really going on with Hillary. Just sayin.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:01 PM
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10. I know my wife never forgets anything
she can hold a resentment a long long long long LONG long time...
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:19 AM
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26. I think Michelle
will be the Congress to Barack's President, system of checks and balances. And I think it's a good idea. Kind of like what my hubby and I have going on - when one gets over exhuberant about something that could be dangerous. :D
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 07:47 AM
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33. I can't imagine 4 years of pantsuits clashing with Michelle's style. n/t
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:11 PM
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6. I would be utterly appalled if Obama gave Clinton the VP slot. (nt)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:46 PM
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20. I think that many
people would view it as sending the wrong signal.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:14 PM
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7. Senator Kennedy is right, I think. There is no way you can haul the DLC into a change ticket.
"How much longer?"
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:47 PM
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21. I would like to see
a ticket that reflects the traditional democratic values.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 09:51 PM
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25. I've noticed that Obama is more progressive than the language
of his campaign. He doesn't say "abolish the death penalty", he says "reform". For once, Newspeak may be deployed for good. :)

Maybe we're on our way left for a while. That would be nice.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 04:58 PM
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9. Can you imagine how weird the WH would be with Bill hangin round all the time?
Not to mention how powerful him and Hillary would make the VEEP. If you don't like what Cheney is doin, then you're probably NOT going to like what they would do to the position. That's wayyyy too many egos to fit into one Executive branch!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:49 PM
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22. That's an important point:
The OVP became something far more powerful under Cheney, than it ever had been before. I think that it is important that we are fully aware of that.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:21 AM
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27. Exactly, and we don't need another puppet prez
Barack won't stand for that shit.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:13 PM
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11. In my view, irrespective of whether THEY would accept, I'd like to see ...
Edited on Sat May-10-08 05:14 PM by TahitiNut
... either John Edwards or Wes Clark. Call me a sentimentalist, but I'd LOVE to be alive to see a southern white male GLADLY take the secondary spot behind a northern black male. The symbolism ... the "cosmetics" ... well, it'd mean a LOT to me. Yeah ... it's a race and region thing ... but only as "frosting" and a "21st Century" New Beginning. (Let's try to ignore the septic tank scum of Cheney/Bush.)

Besides being "cosmetics" ... they'd not deplete either chamber of the Congress and would both offer both synergy AND supplemental strength.

All things being equal, I'd not opt for another Senator and I'd not opt for a Californian and I'd not opt for someone from a solid blue region. Someone with a national reputation would be better than a "local hero." So, a third choice would be Bill Richardson, imho.

The last thing we'd need is someone with high 'negatives' that'd give folks even more of a reason to vote "AGAINST" the ticket.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:27 PM
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13. I like both
John Edwards and Wes Clark. I also like Richardson.

I would consider Biden for Secretary of State.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:38 PM
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15. I would, too.
I'd also like to see a Special Ambassador to __________(?) with the sole mission to facilitate a permanent resolution to the Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a 40-year festering sore that cannot be allowed to go any further. We need to completely revisit our policies there.

I won't hold my breath, though.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:51 PM
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23. It will be interesting
to see if President Obama is willing to try something new and creative in that area.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 07:45 AM
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32. I like both too, but John Edwards for Attorney General!

Wes Clark or Bill Richardson for VP.

Biden or maybe even Hillary for Secretary of State.
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fullofdrama Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:15 PM
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12. Kennedy is right
I am leaning towards Webb for the VP slot. Experience and Southern appeal.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:29 PM
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14. K&R
:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:27 AM
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29. Thank you. n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 05:42 PM
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16. Having the Clintons as a separate power in the OVP
is not something I can imagine Obama considering.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:29 AM
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30. I'm glad that
DUers like yourself appreciate that the OVP has become something very different than it ever was before Cheney. The choice of VP candidates is far more significant than it has ever been.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:00 PM
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18. Hell NO!!!
I don't want the Clintons any where near President Obama. I can just imagine them pushing themselves into the fore front trying to shove him out. :puke:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:33 AM
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31. Although they have
similar positions on a number of issues, I would prefer that they coordinate efforts from different branches of the federal government. Being a US Senator carries great responsibility, although far too few in office today live up to the standards that citizens should demand.
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:11 PM
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19. Hillary would be one step away from the Presidency
As David Gergen pointed out....... Barack would need a taste tester.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:31 PM
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34. Right.
David Gergen is a smart man.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-10-08 06:54 PM
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24. Key phrase for harold ford jr who wants hilary on the ticket..
"head of the dlc". Those moles aren't gonna quit attempting a coup just because Progressives are winning.

Even when Obama is President with a VP who is compatible with him and our country's best interests..they will be everywhere on tv trying to brainwash and weasel their way inside the white house.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:32 PM
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35. I used to have
a much higher opinion of Harold than I do today.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:12 AM
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28. Where did you get this information?
(3) Senator Kennedy was concerned that the Clinton campaign would create serious divisions within the democratic party, including a racial divide, by using negative campaign tactics in the primary. These fractures would be targets for the republican opposition to exploit in the fall. At the time, there were reports of a heated phone conversation between Senator Kennedy and former President Clinton regarding this issue. Since then, there have been a number of related reports, including the recent article that detailed Sidney Blumenthal’s use of rabid right-wing sources in an attempt to discredit Obama.


I'd like to know more about that because I've been horrified at how recklessly they heeding all the warnings not to play the race cards.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:34 PM
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37. Much of it has
been reported in the media. I think that I had sourced all of that in January and February essays.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:34 PM
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36. This is interesting-who is behind the push to add HRC to the ticket?
May 7, 2008
Ex-Clintonite makes press-release goof
Posted: 03:30 PM ET

A former Clinton staffer is now pushing a unity ticket.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Old habits die hard, a long-time Hillary Clinton supporter proved this week when he sent out a press release from his new organization with press@hillaryclinton.com as the contact address.

Sam Arora, a Clinton aide for three years, made the goof Tuesday in a press release for VoteBoth, which is pressing for a ticket that would bring the two Democratic rivals together.

The release said "press@voteboth.com," but linked to the Clinton campaign's generic media e-mail address.

Arora said it was a simple mistake caused by his using an old Microsoft document to make the new one.

"I didn't realize that, when you do this in Microsoft Word, you have to look at what the html says," he said. "This was just me being technically unadvanced."

-snip

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/07/ex-clintonite-makes-press-release-goof/?eref=ib_politicalticker


VoteBoth Folks Ramp Up
06 May 2008 10:32 pm
The Hillaryites who founded VoteBoth are pushing forward. Here's their statement on tonight's results.
HAROLD FORD, JR. ENDORSES UNITY TICKET
Obama Calls for Unity, Opens Door to Idea

WASHINGTON, DC--Democratic Leadership Council chairman and former Tennessee congressman Harold E. Ford, Jr. tonight endorsed a “Dream Team” ticket with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Speaking on MSNBC, Ford said, “I think it's something that this party is going to have to think very seriously about in the next few weeks.”

Senator Barack Obama left open the door to sharing the general election ballot with Senator Hillary Clinton as he spoke this evening to supporters in Raleigh, NC, and addressed the unity the Democrat Party needs, saying:
“Tonight, many of the pundits have suggested that this party is inalterably divided – that Senator Clinton’s supporters will not support me, and that my supporters will not support her. Well I’m here tonight to tell you that I don’t believe it. ...This fall, we intend to march forward as one Democratic Party, united by a common vision for this country. Because we all agree that at this defining moment in history – a moment when we’re facing two wars, an economy in turmoil, a planet in peril – we can’t afford to give John McCain the chance to serve out George Bush’s third term.”
VoteBoth founder Adam Parkhomenko responded to the growing support for a unity ticket, saying today, “Instead of nominating the candidate with 50.1% of the vote, we need to consider a ticket with both Obama and Clinton that has won 100% of the vote.”
-snip
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/voteboth_folks_ramp_up.php
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:36 PM
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38. Very interesting .....
Harold F has been pushing it since the last primary.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:34 PM
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39. Location, Location, Location
Aside from her high negs and the galvanizing effect she'd have on the Cons, she brings nothing to the table in terms of states needed. In the GE NY and Ca. will go to Obama, though they went for her in the primary.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:42 PM
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40. A Obama/Clinton ticket would not be possible.
There is no way Hillary would every play 2nd string. Ted Kennedy's original assessment about what Senator Clinton would bring to the campaign was right on.
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