Okay Obama fans, defend THIS: "God must love the common people, he made so MANY of them!"

[Leopolds Ghost]

--Abraham Lincoln :evilgrin:

Another way of putting it in reply to those who are defending Begala's
"You cannot win with eggheads and African Americans" by saying
"it's the simple truth, how dare you criticize working class whites!"

Just tell them what my white North Dakotan/Minnesotan grandparents used to say:

"Just because you have money or an education doesn't mean you have class."

[w13rd0]

1. The closer we get to the end of this...

...the less anyone on here makes any sense.

[patrice]

5. That's what I was thinking. Is the OP saying "common" is bad? nt

[Leopolds Ghost]

9. It's a JOKE. Was Abe Lincoln pilloried for it? Obama would be.

The point is, SCREW self-important pan-fried f*cks, regardless of their income, who think they are better than Obama because of their race or profession. Most of them either have no class or no intellectual curiosity. Class is not dependent on a person's class... we shouldn't have class warfare in this country. The nation should be divided into persons with class... persons with intellectual curiosity, regardless of their native intelligence... and persons with no class, including highly-educated wealthy people with no class.

[patrice]

11. People seem to think that there is NOTHING that anyone can do about that. nt

[Leopolds Ghost]

19. It is easy to divide the nation into persons w/ class & persons w/ no class, regardless of income

It was the national consensus in the early part of the 20th century,
when America was much further to the left than it is now.

The reality is that the Republican, Horatio Alger doctrine preached by Clinton is that working class people are somehow held back and that class is associated with attaining wealth, competing with people below you on the ladder. Ergo, anyone you are in competition with has no class, because you only deserve to get ahead in life so you MUST have class, regardless of how dull-normal, dysfunctional or tiresome a person you might be. so they pander to everyone by insisting that they are trapped economically by people above and below them conspiring to BLOCK THEIR NATURAL UPWARD MOBILITY.

The reality is that we are all being screwed by a global elite.

[grantcart]

6. when you factor how low the bar was already we are in real trouble lol

[hisownpetard]

26. And I think Hillary has won the limbo contest...

[grantcart]

8. Its so convoluted only the Int Brotherhood of HWWG could figure it out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5911446

[Leopolds Ghost]

27. It's got Electrolytes.

[Johnny__Motown]

2. The problem is your premise, Obama has won more votes. Working class whites among them

To submit to Hillary's hair splitting and divisive stereotyping of the electorate is self-defeating. You can tell because she has self-defeated.

[panader0]

3. Not sure what your point is here.

[Leopolds Ghost]

13. It was a joke. I guess intonation is important. :-)

Naturally if I were a Hillary fan I wouldn't mention or bring up Lincoln, MLK, or the
"controversial" things they said which Hillary opposes whenever anyone else says them.

Things like:

One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war... Neither party anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."

Do you guys (especially Hillary supporters and white DUers who regard some of the things MLK and Rev. Wright said as controversial and upsetting) have any idea how radical a departure this was for Lincoln given the political and racial climate of the time?

[grantcart]

4. "all of the little people supported me - they couldn't reach the lever"

From a losing politician explaining his loss - can't remember the citation

[Faygo Kid]

7. Obama has come from a common, unprivileged background. As did Lincoln.

And I bet your North Dakota grandparents hoped you would get the very best education available.

There's a lot of common folk who go on to do extraordinary things, and Obama and Lincoln are exemplars of that. But so are many common people - which does NOT include the privileged George W. Bush (who of course has zero class) - who strive hard every day to put food on the table and educate their kids.

Obama knows that. Begala is a fool.

[stray cat]

10. Then quit calling those of us from the working class who got a degree -lazy liberal elitists

I work a 7 day work week.

[Buzz Clik]

12. I think you need to be imploring Lincoln fans to be defending that quote.

[Leopolds Ghost]

22. Clarification -- this was a parody. Your post is the point of the joke. :-)

A little satire is welcome, yes? After all, we don't need to be serious, the primary season is over. :hi:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. It's a ridiculous point in the first place.

Who, exactly, are "the common people"? Are you a member of that totally arbitrary and artificial "class" only if you didn't go to college? What if you attended college but didn't graduate? What if you graduated from college but your job is a so-called "blue collar" occupation that does not require a degree? What if you didn't graduate from college but you make over $100,000 per year? What if you are low-income and uneducated but you have taught yourself quantum physics and prefer white wine to Pabst? What are you if you are a college-educated instructor at a community college in a small Midwestern town? Is someone who went to Harvard but lives in Des Moines and works in a factory more or less common than someone who didn't finish college and lives in New York and works for an ad agency?

I have a graduate degree but in order to survive I have to go to work every day, and my income is modest. My job would be considered "white collar" in the sense that I don't get my hands dirty, but I am anything but a member of the so-called investor class. Since I have to haul my sorry ass to work every day to keep my bills paid, shouldn't I be called a working-class person?

Or are these definitions pure bullshit?

[Leopolds Ghost]

21. It is a joke. Made by Abe Lincoln. Hillary would have trashed him for his indiscretion

Get over it...

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. Of course it's a joke.

That was basically the point of my comments. The whole thing is just absurd.

[Leopolds Ghost]

24. Okay, I thought you were criticising me.

I do the same thing, yelling at my family members about the news.

"I'm not yelling at you, I'm yelling at them because I know you agree with me!"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. No, not at all. Just ranting.

I think the term "common man" or "working class American" or whatever you want to call them is just stupid and meaningless (and in some contexts racist), and it totally pisses me off that Hillary's campaign came up with another stupid, divisive argument that falsely and insultingly categorizes people so she can try to suck up a few more votes that won't get her the nomination anyhow. Just a rant.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

15. Are you saying Abraham Lincoln has endorsed Hillary?

Waiting for translation.

[Leopolds Ghost]

16. No, I'm saying Hillary doesn't have a sense of humor and would attack Lincoln viciously

If he was running today. Practically Lincoln's ONLY MAJORITY SUPPORT in 1863 was among free blacks and educated northern liberals in New England and the upper midwest. The war and his emancipation policies were DEEPLY unpopular among working class whites. A friend of mine who is a history expert (who happens to be a leftist) explained to me how the fact that blacks were the core of his support base and were dying for him in huge numbers while whites were rioting gradually reversed Lincoln's own societal rejudices.

[TomInTib]

17. You cannot win without the "Stupid Vote"

The 'pubs figured that one out some time ago.

I prefer Twain's "Hain't we got all the fools in town on our side? And hain't that a majority anywhere?" (that used to be my sig line, but I caught too much crap about it after the '06 elections).

[Leopolds Ghost]

18. Mark Twain was obviously an elitist who only cared about blacks and eggheads. Just like Lincoln!

[theoldman]

20. If you look at a bell curve, the fools should equal the educated

ones. Somehow they always carry more weight. Perhaps more of them vote. Young educated people don't necessarily vote.