SNL threw Hillary under the bus, ran her over, backed it up and ran her over again!

[wndycty]

Wow. . .this has got to hurt because as we all know the MSM will be running this clip OVER AND OVER again.
(I know there are a few threads but I wanted to get the fact that the MSM will run this clip over and over again in the OP)

Some key lines from "Hillary" as portrayed by Amy Poehler

"I'm a sore loser" and then she goes how she would not lose gracefully and wouldn't support him.

"My supporters are racist" (the crowd laughed and applauded)

"Unlike Senator Obama I have no ethical standards"

[Catherina]

1. I guess Bitch really is the new Black

whatever that means.

SNL? Ouch, that's gotta hurt.

[AZBlue]

14. No, "Black is the New President, Bitch"

Thank you Tracey Morgan for that great quote!

Just to clarify - Catherina, I'm not calling you a bitch, it's part of the original quote. :)

[caligirl]

21. Oh holy Sh*t, thats friggin GREAT.

[Catherina]

37. No worries! I'm not that dense. I'm watching the youtube now and ROFL!

I never saw the Tracey Morgan skit before. This is hilarious!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tARX0M-fxA

[AZBlue]

53. It's hysterical!

I love him on 30 Rock - he's just great.

I quoted that phrase a friend of mine the other day and she responded, "Excuse meeee???" so I no longer assume everyone knows it! :D

[XOKCowboy]

92. I hadn't seen that. Thanks for the link.

"If that were the case Robin Givens would be the Heavyweight Champion of the world."

:rofl:

[Catherina]

100. I found it looking for tonight's episode. What's taking so long?

The Robin Givens line was great :rofl:

[VotesForWomen]

104. so does SNL regularly use the N-word? you know, just in a 'joking' way? and if it did,

would you give a flying fuck what they said? yeah.

[quantass]

123. Not so much anymore -- They use to use the N-word alot in the Past

of course, they used it in a comedic way (never offensive). Now I wish they wouldnt be so up tight about using it...let the creativity flow with no restrictions i say. I notice alot of comedies in the past used it (not just SNL) e.g. Blazing Saddles, Airplane, etc and found how they used it really funny.

[WillyT]

167. I Don't Know About "Regularly", But...

Link: http://www.clipstr.com/videos/ClassicSNLSkitRichardPryorAndChevyChase/

:shrug:

[Name removed]

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[rzemanfl]

2. Well, there goes their hardworking white audience. n/t

[dubeskin]

3. Can't wait to see it on the West

Having seen like 5 threads on this already, sounds like a winning night for SNL!

[caligirl]

27. I wouldn't normally stay up, but if the quote up thread is from the skit I'll be watching.

:popcorn: :rofl:

[Beregond2]

4. Well of course they did.

I wrote Lorne Michaels a nasty note, and when I speak, he jumps!

[Catherina]

11. !

:rofl: Good Lord this is humiliating.

[Cha]

151. Too late.

Brawawawawawawawawawawa.

[Fox Mulder]

5. Well, there were no lies in that sketch.

[shenmue]

20. Unless you count the whole thing.

"My supporters are racist"?! You think that's true?

I knew the DU Obama supporters had no shame, but I didn't know they'd sink this low, to think that kind of thing is true. You really will push people toward McCain like that. It's despicable.

[Fox Mulder]

29. If someone on an internet message board is upsetting you...

and you're leaning towards McCain because of that, then you're no Democrat.

FYI: I'm a Kucinich supporter.

[goclark]

31. SNL has always supported Hillary in the past

I wonder what happened?

:shrug:

[shaniqua6392]

117. SNL did not support Hillary in the past.

They just do what is timely with regards to their writing. Obama supporters just thought they supported her. Before too long they will be writing skits that may not make Obama look good. That is what they do. Even if he becomes the President, they will write skits pointing out his flaws. They are equal opportunity criticizers and everyone gets their turn.

[goclark]

177. Maybe I happened to see it when it was her turn

to get the nice talk.

[Beregond2]

39. The joke is that

SHE thinks that way, not that people really are that racist.

[Catherina]

Go bang some pots and pans outside the SNL studios. That'll teach them

Let me be painfully blunt here. IF HILLARY SUPPORTERS HAD A HISTORY OF DENOUNCING RACIST COMMENTS RELATED TO THIS CAMPAIGN, SNL WOULDN'T HAVE ANY AMMUNITION FOR THIS JOKE. So congratulations to all the people who stayed silent, or worse, posted the most outrageous defenses for it trying to convince 21st century America those shameful comments didn't have the least hint of racism in them.

"Next, We'll See Him Run an Ad Saying: Vote For Me, I Don't Steal Cars." - Bill Clinton on Obama" It doesn't seem that funny now does it? I laughed my head off while spitting out watermelon seeds, NOT.

DU Obama supporters had nothing to do with that SNL skit. I'm flattered you think we're so powerful. SNL wrote that little skit all on their own based on their own real life observations.

It's comedy. Get over it before the resentment kills you. Hillary and Bill did this to themselves despite all the best intentioned advice from peopel who knew it wasn't a good idea.

[Kahuna]

58. Brava Catherine! Well stated!

:applause:

[Catherina]

62. I just don't get it Kahuna

The first post that drew me to DU was FrenchieCat's sad warning in January about the racist overtones of certain comments Bill was making. People poo-pooed it. I was flabbergasted and watched the dramatics determined not to jump in until one day when I couldn't take it the racism and all the Barack won't you buy your grandmama a new hut threads.

People were warned. Over and over again at street level and high-political level. But Mark Penn knew differently! And they not only continued but then tried to project it all on Obama. Here come's the backlash and it's not pretty. This is really dreadful. Tonight, I feel like an old woman who kept telling kids not to play with fire and am angry their parents said it was ok and now their house burned is burning down.

Thanks. I had to get that off my chest.

[Kahuna]

183. Right. Frenchie is my gurl..

Only she doesn't know it yet!

However, Frenchie, myself and many other DUers and others in the blogosphere noticed what was going on and pleaded for the clintonistas to stop it. Then Rep. Clyburn noticed what was going on and asked them to stop. They were like, no. We're going to keep doing what ever we want. Senator Kennedy pleaded with them to stop, and they were like, no. We're going to keep doing whatever we want. So, Kennedy came out for Obama as a signal for them to stop. Still they wouldn't do it. Then Kerry came out as a signal for them to stop. Still, they wouldn't do it. Many others came forward in support of Obama in an attempt to give them a signal that they were out of bounds. Still they would not listen.

The SDs have shown their displeasure with the dog-whistle attacks at every turn, and still they will not stop. Today, Obama has pulled even from a huge SD deficit into the lead. Still they won't stop. Since their only chance to win the nomination lies with the SDs, who they continue to alienate, there is only one conclusion one can draw. They really are not interested in the approval of the SDs at all. They want to destroy Obama and the Democratic party.

[Jazzgirl]

188. Kahuna, the fact that they seem to want to destroy

the Democratic Party is the most disheartening thing of all. I am having a hard time reconciling their behavior. I used to support Hillary but when I noticed how negative she was going I backed up and started paying more attention. At first I thought I was misunderstanding what she was saying but I quickly realized that she and Bill were seriously playing a dangerous game. They lost my support.

[Kahuna]

189. A dangerous game indeed. It's as if they believe the Democratic party

is their possession to do with as they please. I can't wait from them to get the hook.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

69. perfect, Cath, you hit it on the head.

and given the crap that she has pulled or ordered to be tossed at him, SHE made this skit even funnier.

[SwampG8r]

71. and dont forget

for a joke to be funny
it has to have some truth to it

[liberalla]

114. Exactly -- that's Comedy 101

SNL video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE

[Cha]

154. Thanks, liberalla!

I'm late to the :party: and was just going down this thread wishing I had link to the SKIT:)

[cliffordu]

97. Precisely!!! Thanks, Catherina, for setting this straight.

[VolcanoJen]

125. Oh, wow.

Epic Success!!!!!

Applause, applause!!!!!!

[CitizenLeft]

135. Catherina, you're my hero

"Next, We'll See Him Run an Ad Saying: Vote For Me, I Don't Steal Cars." - Bill Clinton on Obama" It doesn't seem that funny now does it? I laughed my head off while spitting out watermelon seeds, NOT.

Absolutely SICK to death of the vomitous rationalizations for her race-baiting - from DEMOCRATS. It's fucking shameful. Apologists for race-baiting enable the real racists to continue being racists, whether they realize it or not.

[helderheid]

140. BRAVO!!!

:applause:

[Cha]

153. Excellent retort, Catherina!~

They stayed silent or worse..encouraged it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

170. Funny how Clinton supporters are not held to the same standard we Obama supporters are

You have people threatening to vote for McCain because we're not minding our Ps and Qs enough on internet discussion boards, while these same people will defend the Clintons and adopt their disgusting talking points about race.

[dogday]

186. I don't support either candidate, and you need to take off your blinders

Same thing comes from the Obama side as well as the Clinton side... Both campaigns are doing it...

[aquart]

192. Obviously, Obama supporters have no standards.

Just new depths.

[Zhade]

80. No. A great MANY of them are racist, but by no means all.

Some are conservatives.

Some are "low-information" (aka ignorant of geopolitical reality).

Some are self-delusional (denial of Tuzla video as prime evidence of clinton's lies, for one).

[sudopod]

82. I know you're pushing me away

from playing Dreamcast games with ambiguous endings. :3

[KaptBunnyPants]

96. Hillary thinks her supporters are racists.

Hillary is the one saying her blue collars supporters won't vote for Obama because he is uppity. I'm sorry, I should have said elitist. I know - they support Hillary because she is a regular jane-sixpack, just like them. Ok, fine, I'll give you that if you can tell me one thing. How is this multimillionaire Ivy League Goldwater Republican less of an elitist than Obama, who went to school on a scholarship?

[ima_sinnic]

119. I will have to dig up the "Obama will start a RACE WAR!!!1!!11" thread that was on here a while back

--Hillary supporters obsession with race has been obscene. So yes, it is true that her supporters are racist, a great many of them, and that is who she is "courting."

[genna]

121. sports analogy

"My supporters are racist"?! You think that's true?

I knew the DU Obama supporters had no shame, but I didn't know they'd sink this low, to think that kind of thing is true. You really will push people toward McCain like that. It's despicable.

Since when is it acceptable for a campaign not to fold up and quit when they don't have the votes?

It is not just about that the pledged delegates anymore. There are superdelegates who have took head counts in the background, away from the media that are allowing Clinton to do her swan song, but Claire McCaskgill said the votes were in last week or the week before.

There is a reason that no one is standing Clintons' way to go through the next few primaries, but it should tell you something that all the elected leaders are giving her wide space.

Women want to be treated like women in the workplace AND rewarded like men when they accomplish things. There is NO WAY IN THIS COUNTRY that a male politician would have been given more breaks as Clinton has when she has said some treatment was UNFAIR and it was sexist.

First, women are not children.

At a little league game, when the game has already gone through several innings and the parents are ready to go home THERE IS ALWAYS that one child who keeps at it. When the last hit is made and the children are rounding the bases, that one child still thinks there is a chance. When the ball is caught in the outfield and the game ends, that one child is inconsolable. When the kids are forced to shake the other teams' hand at the end of the game, that one kid doesn't want to shake anyone's hand because it is SO UNFAIR. It takes a lot to explain to that child that sometimes life isn't fair even if that ONE CHILD played by the rules and had the best coach in the world.

Second, the parent is not the husband or spouse.


Having said all that, if McCain can accept an influx of people who think that the Democratic primary is unfair then you should think about this. He said Hamas supports and endorses Obama's candidacy. Reflect back on Farakahn, Farakahn, Farakahn.

Sound similar?


If McCain is the new black, then ask yourself why his response to Arianna Huffington's story that he didn't vote for Bush that his spokesman went out of his way to degrade her ability to report a story by calling her a diva and some other non helpful not so choice things in which most women would take offense.

Sound like the charges some women, not this woman, put forward with the way the Clinton campaign was being treated by the male media, the Clinton haters (which grew on the Democratic side of the aisle UNFORTUNATELY), and those ungrateful African Americans who chose not to support the First Black President's Wife?


It seems to me that when Hillary Clinton says her supporters are white and hardworking excluding any other race and any other working people, then it seems to me the comment was not only offensive but intentionally so.

Andrea Mitchell talked about the African American reporter who repeatedly asked the Clinton's campaign, how can your coalition be broad when it does not include AAs? She gave no response. She also did not come out and explain her comments about hardworking white voters.


If a Republican did have this CRAP, AAs would have FORCEFULLY protested AND would have asked for more than just apology, we would have tried to force the candidate out of public life. It is a double standard and it is deplorable.

Do I think that what she said was racist?

It sure wasn't inclusive, but it seems like inclusion is only important when it applied to women NOT JUST any woman either.

[Cha]

152. hilary has no shame and is Dispicable with

a capital D or is that B.

[Connie_Corleone]

6. I don't think I've ever seen SNL go after a candidate like that before.

Granted, I don't watch it all the time, just the opening sketch sometimes. But DAMN!!!!!!!!!!! That was brutal. True, but brutal.

[PretzelWarrior]

7. well, they WERE giving her too much positive coverage

and it is about time they went the other way with it.

[virtualobserver]

9. if there is another debate, Hillary will not make references to this skit

[jenmito]

13. Maybe OBAMA should reference it!

Of course he has too much class, though.

[virtualobserver]

26. I think that this SNL skit occurred because he has so much class

the contrast with Hillary was too great

[jenmito]

I agree. I'm so glad they said everything that SHE'S been saying-

while not in so many words (except in some cases.)

[Ice-9]

103. I agree he would never do that.

Ironically, that may have been one of the reasons the writers let loose on her. Shows like SNL want you to think they're very edgy and independent. The corollary is that they don't want you to think they're in the pocket of either candidate, even if they may go harder on one or the other on any given week. It probably irks them to think that something witty that they came up with in the writers' room will be served cold the next morning in some politician's talking points. Maybe the writers sat down and thought, "We can really let loose with this because Senator Obama's not the kind of candidate who will ruin it by trotting it out at every opportunity for the next five days."

:shrug:

[Cha]

155. And, you bet SNL is not about to put

up with Racist Shit..that's not what the real America is about. Take that hilary, you, "Velma Von Tussel".

[PretzelWarrior]

16. Think of poor Obama...after about 30 debates gone by

she's running after him in every state: "Debate me! Debate me! Debate me!". If she was instead saying "Date me! Date me! Date me!" it would be grounds for restraining order.

She needs to DIAL IT BACK and realize she's on the wrong side of history.

[Cha]

157. "Date Me, date me, date me"!!!

Zing-o!

[liberalla]

199. zidzi has the zingers!

These 2 cartoons you have posted are brutal and funny!

[jenmito]

10. There's never been a candidate like Hillary before...

She EARNED that skit, sadly.

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. And sadly, I don't think she's even realized that she's become a punchline.

A cartoon even. I sorta feel bad for her, but when I reassess her behavior, I think she's earned the scorn of decent people everywhere.

[jenmito]

40. Hopefully she'll SEE this. Maybe she'll cut it all out. But I doubt it.

[grantcart]

77. oh I guarantee she sees it - it sounds devistating

[VotesForWomen]

105. guess what? YOU don't represent the whole country. you'll find that out in Nov.

[Tarheel_Dem]

106. I'll be so glad when posters like you are no longer with us. One of the most

negative posters on this forum. I never said that I represent the whole country. I, do, however think that I'm representative of the changing mood of the country. We're moving on from you guys' scorched earth type politics.

Riddle me this, VFW, if you guys cared so much about the campaign of HRC, why is she constantly struggling for money? Obama's supporters have put their money where their mouths are. At this point, you guys offer very little in the way of debate...just snark and bile. The end can't come too soon.

:hi:

[VotesForWomen]

116. President Kerry will probably be glad too, but hey, i'll grant you that the enthusiasm of O supporte

supporters is real, and many have contributed a lot of money to him. i'm afraid that since we hillary supporters are a little more 'realistic,' shall we say, we are less enthusiastic and less willing to spend money in a political system that most likely is not going to be experiencing the revolutionary, transformational reforms that O supporters believe will happen if he is elected. look, kucinich was my first choice; he is no longer in the race, because he would have posed a *real* threat to the establishment. Obama does not pose any threat; neither does hillary. i am a hill supporter not because i think she walks on water, like O folks think Obama does; i just think she's the better of the two candidates. and if you think i'm negative, it's because i've had it up to effing here with the nasty lies, slander, insults, race-baiting etc. that is constantly directed at hillary supporters in this forum. sorry, but i'm just not going to take it and say nothing about it. and yeah, i may get banned from DU, but you can't ban me and all the other voters you people have pissed off from the voting booth.

[Tarheel_Dem]

122. Madame, I couldn't care less who you vote for. And as for "racebaiting"

I suggest you speak to Billary about that. It started with them, and hopefully they'll take it with them back to the Republican Party. You're right, I can't ban you from DU or the voting booth, but rest assured that if you don't care about your kids & grandkids fighting a hundred years in Iraq, I certainly don't.

Vote as you please, but how someone gets to HRC from DK, just baffles the hell out of me.

[VotesForWomen]

200. it baffles you because you think Obama's 'different.' He's not. he's actually very similar to hill

hillary on policy, but i think hillary has other qualities that would make her a better president. not only that, but i happened to like the 90s and thought bill clinton was a good president, and i would be quite happy to have him involved in running this country again. on the war, O is no different than Hill, and neither of them are going to get shit done until they and the dem congress get some backbone, which is not going to happen anytime soon.

[VotesForWomen]

202. the clintons are race-baiters? if that's true then O's gonna lose for sure, because the rest of amer

the rest of america is a whole lot more racist than the clintons. the truth is, the treament that O-ists have given the clintons and their supporters has been disgraceful, embarrassing, and extremely divisive. the clintons have done a lot to help racial minorities throughout the years, and to see them be treated like this in return is sad. a lot of people won't forget it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

210. Can you point to where I said the Clintons are racist?

Being a racist, and racebaiting are two very different things. The Clintons are very blatantly opportunistic. They know what plays in certain areas of the country, and they use that to their advantage. More power to 'em.

And as an AA, the Clintons haven't done shit for me, personally. So, guilt trips don't work with me. What has become crystal clear, in this primary fight, is that the Clintons were very smart in building relationships with minorities to advance their own ambitions. Hopefully, like myself, other AA's have had their eyes opened to the truth, once and for all.

As for the rest of your nonsense, I'm not quite sure how the Clintons have been any more mistreated than any other candidate in this primary race. But you guys have really taken "victimhood" to new heights lately.

Why don't you take the advice that Bill & Hill offered Obama, after he was ambushed at that sham of an ABC "debate". I think it went something like..."if you can't stand the heat, blah..blah..blah."

[SoxFan]

133. Yawn

:nopity:

[ZinZen]

169. Obama supporter here who

does not think he walks on water. Just knock off your all Obama supporters worship him crap, because it is not true. I was a bigger Dean fan than for Obama, but he runs circles in class around both Clintons.

Hillary is done. It's over. Get used to it.

[VotesForWomen]

201. Obama runs circles around both Clintons???!!! and you say you don't worship him?! you can not possi

possibly be serious. this is exactly what i'm talking about. Bill Clinton was a popular 2-time president, the best democratic president in long damn time, i'd say, but you think the 1/2 term senator from illinois, who beat out alan keyes to get into the senate, fer christ's sake, 'runs circles around bill clinton???' did somebody mention cult worship....

[genna]

137. Cartoon of the week

http://www.time.com/time/cartoonsoftheweek/0,29489,1738876_1586131,00.html

[Cha]

159. I'm White and I don't think she's

likeable enough:)

[Kahuna]

185. Yep! She has been a pure spectacle. One day we'll have to compile..

her greatest hits. Like when she said, 'Shame on you, Barack Obama!!' There are so many. One day...

[BattyDem]

65. I don't recall them ever doing it before

As I said in another thread:

This wasn't ridicule - this was a smackdown.

[pansypoo53219]

74. new york city is very multiculteral

and it works that way. it's quite lovely. like star trek when it's good. and i do not think the writers liked what hillary said this week. they know she must be stopped before she goes to far. too kkkarl rovian. TOO FUCKING DC BELTWAY.

[Ice-9]

102. I had the same reaction. (nt)

[Dinger]

139. I Support Hillary, And I Am Not Racist, So No, The Skit Wasn't True (nt)

[sfam]

8. K&R #5 - No kidding...this WILL be on MSM for the whole week...

Hillary's folks have got to be hating life right now...

[DeschutesRiver]

12. that's an awful legacy building for her

I don't get how a smart woman can be so short sighted. She does these things, they work sometimes, and other times backfire and blow back. And its gotten to the point where she is understandably the butt of many jokes, with so much truth to them that it has become kind of dark humor to recite them.

But she still thinks what she is doing is being a "fighter". Hardly. If she keeps this up, she'll dig a hole so deep that none of us will ever be hearing seriously from the Clintons again.

[shenmue]

25. I don't think she's shortsighted. Is she supposed to prevent them from writing this crap?

More of the Obama spammers. All of 80-odd posts, go figure...

Create rumors and people will believe them--your campaign is pure Frank Luntz. Nasty.

[caligirl]

56. Hillary could have prevented it, journalists started digging in direct response to

(edited for copyright purposes-proud patriot Moderator Democratic Underground)


Hillary's words and actions( such as the use of racist rhetoric to try to win at any cost when the math demonstrated she had nothing to gain for doing so. Her campaign actions are a direct cause of the hightened interest in who these people really are. Here's an example

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43/029.html


What one newspaper is saying about this subject http://news.scotsman.com/politics/Hillary39s-woes-take-their-toll.4071541.jp

But the battering his wife has taken in her losing battle with Barack Obama has threatened to change all that, with the 'brand' now under fire and the Clintons accused of using their good works as cover for making money and peddling influence.

It began in January with Bill's decision to wade in and help a campaign stunned by the unexpected phenomenon of Barackomania.

Breaking with the custom that former presidents do not take sides in nomination contests, Bill not only sided with his wife, but went into battle for her.

The plan backfired in spectacular fashion when he labeled Obama's opposition to the Iraq war as a "fairy tale".

And when he appeared to label Obama's appeal as limited to black voters only, the media christened him the campaign's "attack dog".

This image was reinforced by the sight of him staging angry confrontations with journalists. And then those journalists started to dig.

Already in 2007, the media had zeroed in on one of his top backers, data collection firm Info USA. The media reported that its chairman, Vin Gupta, is being sued by his shareholders for misspending company money after he paid Bill Clinton the equivalent of £400,000 for two years of unspecified consultancy work.

In January, the Wall Street Journal questioned another Bill Clinton consultancy contract, with US supermarket giant Yucaipa, claiming by being employed as a consultant Bill stood to make a £10m profit on his five-year association.

[DeschutesRiver]

76. It was so preventable, I agree

The biggest mistake is one that could happen again. Hillary assumed that her winnng the nomination was a given.

The only thing worse is all the assumptions being made that a democratic win in the GE is a given as well. It isn't. It is something that has to be fought for and won by sheer determination and voter will. This primary is becoming a sideshow - and now that the jokes have become open inside of behind closed doors, it will only get worse. And that is time lost for the democratic party, time it will never get back again for a do-over.

I would like to see a democratic president. If I could wave a wand, I'd ask for Hillary to gracefully and immediately withdraw after the next two weeks of elections, throw her considerable forces behind Obama, and have the democrats pull together in a way they have not done during the past few elections and get their candidate in office. Hope HRC takes a big girl pill, and just does it - or hope that by some divine intervention by party heavyweights, the herd can be culled of this freaking impediment to GE success and the party can get on with the important work ahead. My take is that having a viable GE democratic candidate is the only thing that matters - and however much it hurts some, the math simply is against Hillary. If it was against Obama, I'd say the same thing. I watched that repub fool Huckabee tooting around like he was on some island cruise tour lark, refusing to ever disembark from the race. Pathetic - and if Hillary continues, I don't see much difference in her actions. Honor the system chosen by democrats to run their primaries, and get ready to do GE battle.

But we'll see. The longer Hillary disrupts the process because of blind personal ambition, the less likely is a win in the fall. She is destroying the democratic party chances, and history will hold her accountable for it.

[genna]

136. Sore loser

Hope HRC takes a big girl pill, and just does it - or hope that by some divine intervention by party heavyweights, the herd can be culled of this freaking impediment to GE success and the party can get on with the important work ahead. My take is that having a viable GE democratic candidate is the only thing that matters - and however much it hurts some, the math simply is against Hillary.

How can she become a caricature of her former self?

It is not necessarily a pill needed. It is a reassessment of who she is to begin with. Reporters have been saying for years that blind personal ambition made Clinton a waffler, triangulator, and Bubba.

Hillary Clinton stood in the background and made me think she was a decent woman working for a TRULY flawed good guy.

This election has taken away the veneer and show me something wicked about these people. The way she campaigns says more about her strength of moral character than does her standing beside a philander. Her willingness to use race as a wedge IS THE ISSUE. Republicans are constantly willing to do that. Here she is shown that she is just as despicable as they are.


A viable GE democratic candidate?

Maybe I am naive but the board resets once the primary is over. Obama needs some sleep and needs a chance to gather together his GE team.

Gore and Clinton released a policy manual for the GE so that everyone knew what the Democratic party stood for. Democrats will only have a short amount of time to work out a strategy to overhaul a veto proof majority in the Senate and substantial sized victory in the House. The gubernatorial houses need to be turned over too.

In order to get out of the crap that the primary has generated, Obama needs the space required to be the HEAD of the Democratic party and lead ALL Democrats from the local to the national in ONE DIRECTION.

We have not begun to TALK ABOUT THAT YET.


It isn't so much about Hillary as to how will Obama manage the resources EFFECTIVELY enough so that he can get the ground swell he needs to get a SWEEP in November. There is a lot of legislation that needs to be overturned.

What about judicial and cabinet/sub-cabinet level appointments? If he is talking about us being the kind of change we are looking for, how is he going to harness that GROUNDSWELL to go in the direction he needs.

I see some hopes out there, but I don't see too many people talking about these mechanical, unsexy things.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

193. Hi caligirl.

Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover
DU Moderator

[DeschutesRiver]

72. Wierd to count posts

but probably not so out of context. That would be an example of the "Hillary Experience doctrine", right? Goes something like your 1000 to my 80 something gives you more experience in posting, which of course is automatically "better" experience because of sheer volume of posts.

I'm an independent and haven't picked a candidate, since I like keeping my mind intact and functional during the primary and then general process (though I do make exceptions for extreme cases of bad candidacy - like Hillary Clinton while she was still part of the equation). Comics and satirists use living material and HRC gave them the facts with which to do their craft. Sounds like everything they are joking about could have been avoided by running a decent campaign based on issues that matter, really matter, not the kind of stuff that is making her the butt of jokes. She knew better, so live by sword, end by sword.

[caligirl]

86. the reason I think it went so badly is she is 'handled' and this

is her method of running things. She uses advisor's to feed her ideas, not the other way around. She isn't a good manager and hasn't been in touch with reality for years.

[DeschutesRiver]

134. Good point

and one I've seen time and again with her campaign. But wouldn't you think after the first so many gaffes, mis-steps, and blow-ups, a smart person would say "damn, I am the one in charge of this, so I better step in and make some decisions for myself here"?

OTOH, probably not - people who let other handle them this much can't be all that secure with their own abilitie. I can tell you that it wouldn't take this many times for me to ditch handlers that were running me into the ground like this. Independent judgment about stuff like this is what she lacks.

She has got to watch her words on video, see newspaper reports, or SNL skits, and say "that isn't who I am - I'm gonna fix that up right now and save myself from losing this campaign." If she is so deliberately insulating herself with handlers that she no longer wants to get her message across, then good riddance to bad baggage, as I don't want to elect her "handlers" to run the country.

[Mimosa]

197. Hillary either isn't that smart or she's ruthless!

This scorched earth strategy is UGLY. I saw Howard Wolfson on some Sunday news commentary today. His eyes were soul-less, like those of a shark. He was twisting his hands like a stage villain.

Bill and Hillary are running their own show, however. It's sad to see Bill, a former President, attacking ordinary citizens in the crowd when they question his assertions on behalf of Hillary.It's not dignified for Bill to be shaking a pointing finger at a woman in his audience and, redfaced, to angrily berate a citizen! We DIDN'T get any change in our health care during Clinton's 8 years in office. Why expect them to do better with a 3rd term? There is so much they did wrong then.

Well, months ago on another forum I predicted Hillary would descend to divisive race-baiting as a last ditch tactic. I'm unhappy to be right about that. We don't need this. It's obvious Hillary's motive is "if I can't have this, then Obama damn well won't."

[genna]

142. A person can't be good at EVERYTHING

I agree with some of the concerns expressed by the women journalists Howard Kurtz discussed in today's Reliable Sources show.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

The quote is not available.

Why should male anchors and male guests be allowed to vehemently diminish someone without fairly representing her point of view?

That is a legitimate problem in the media. But I'd also say, if you give someone ammunition they are going to use it against you.


But why should women journalist sit still and recognize some of the problematic racial overtones of this race and be silent? If you are a Democrat, how can you sit still and think it is ok for anchors and guests to overlook and caricature according to race?


There have been multiple tones throughout this primary and WILL BE in the GE about race too.

I thought Democrats as a whole fight injustice where they find it. Or so long as injustice works to our benefit?

It is incredibly disappointing.

[Cha]

158. No, hilary is short-sighted because she's

killing her career. girl can't think of the big picture while she's out there actin' like Velma Von Tussel.

[caligirl]

45. its esy, 16 years of smoke blown up ones arse, handlers

feeding you ideas instead of the opposite, and Lewinski. Apparently Bill wanted this as much as Hillary so he could have a legacy greater than that sad event. This is the fall from grace folks, journalists are finally getting it that Bill worked for his own enrichement financially: Chiquita banana, a uranium deal, Indian money flying him around, Yucaipa and Ron Burkle, Tata, WTI and Jackson Stephens line of credit to them for $3.5 million, Magnaquench to China, the Rodham brothers and money for Presidential pardons for convicted felons, China connections amd more money. Bill could have settled down to retire with a possible noble prize for the aids work and work for the poor around the world. He and Hillary have had so much smoke blown up their arses for 16 years they haven't been connected to earth for many years.

the Chiquita story http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43/029.html

Bill got millions and small island workers got screwed for life. The millionair(Lindner got a night in the Lincoln bedroom and millions of $$ thanks to Bill.

[shenmue]

15. That's realy disgusting. So are you for reveling in it.

They have lost me as a viewer. The audience and writers ought to be ashamed of themselves. That's really just hateful.

[PretzelWarrior]

19. you will be missed.

but somehow SNL will survive. and it is dang funny. Lighten up, Francis.

[sfam]

32. Give Hillary another week like the last, and most all mass media will be dead to most Hill fans...

[MadBadger]

22. Grow a thicker skin. Its a fucking comedy show.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

63. that was the SNL of several decades ago, when they were funny. WOW,

that was great.

[dogday]

187. Just like these supporters did

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4992590&mesg_id=4992590

[Catherina]

28. SNL dead to you now too eh?

All these dead people walking around :scared:

Get a grip. It's a comedy show. I daresay if Hillary hadn't gone as far as she did with the offensive fixation on the White Vote, they'd still be doing "Barack, can we get you a pillow" routines and you'd be laughing your head off.

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. Were you this "outraged" when Sen. Obama was ambushed by

Stephanopolous, Gibson & Hillary on that sham of a debate? I think not. Were you equally outraged when Hillary suggested in a formal debate that Obama might need a pillow, because of a SNL skit? Again, I think not.

You guys have got to get your selective outrage under control. We were told by the Clintons that if Obama can't stand that kind of heat, he should (well you know). But, don't worry, next week they'll be back to skewering Obama, and you'll fall in love all over again with SNL.

[Erin Elizabeth]

Oh they've done worse.

Shrug.

[Skittles]

73. worse than they ever did on bush n/t

[Zhade]

81. Awww, the truth is so painful!

NT!

[goletian]

107. i bet you had no problem with the obama jokes, though.

[nxylas]

138. Read your own sig line

It's not a satire show's job to be "nice".

[Cha]

160. SNL says "Bye"..."don't

let the door hit ya in the ass."

[Catherina]

17. I'm warming up for it (West Coast) with an old Eddy Murphy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lps1aUGPG-E

[samdogmom]

18. Yeah. I didn't think "Bitch is the new black" was a good idea and...

I got blasted by Hillary supporters. I wonder how they're feeling now.

I guess Karma isn't so much fun after all!

[ccharles000]

23. I don't know why people are so mean to Hillary.

[gulfcoastliberal]

34. Are you in need of a waaaaambulance?

Too bad Hillary can dish it but not take it, eh?

[cliffordu]

44. Someone call for a WHAAAAAMBULANCE??

[goclark]

35. Maybe because she has been unkind to some people

:shrug:

[Fox Mulder]

41. Maybe because she's no Democrat?

And she's acting like one?

[my3boyz]

49. Hmmm..think harder! I'm sure you can come up with a reason! nt

[Divernan]

51. She brings out the worst in people -either by appealing to their inner racist -

or by insulting their intelligence and offending their ethical beliefs.

By the way, the disingenuousness of your ubiquitous posts this evening is simple-minded, even for a Hillbot. I almost might think you were being sarcastic.

[TahitiNut]

59. Have someone read it to you.

:eyes:

[Zhade]

83. WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN TO SOMEONE JUST BECAUSE SHE KEEPS LYING TO YOU AND GETTING CAUGHT IN THE LIES???

It's mean to point out lies!

[Cha]

163. Right...it's darn mean to expose hilary's political,

Old Style, strategy.

[EFerrari]

24. What network is it on? I haven't watched it in years.

Edit: I found it.

[Tatiana]

30. NBC, girl... and it was brutal. n/t

[Tatiana]

33. I can't believe they turned on her that HARD.

Can't say it wasn't coming, but damn. It was almost painful to watch.

[virtualobserver]

42. it reminded me of Colbert taking on Bush at the Correspondents dinner..............

even though I appreciated it, it made me uncomfortable because it was so "in your face"

[Tatiana]

50. YES... that's the feeling exactly! n/t

[genna]

145. Comeuppance

Sometimes, I get uncomfortable for the gutsy person. I worry about how it will affect their careers.

For the person lampooned, I do put myself in their shoes. But I think the "white voter" thing was inexcusable. I didn't feel bad for her because she has done more in her campaign to make that SNL sketch realistic.

Shame on her.

[EFerrari]

43. They'll turn on Obama AND McCain multiple times before November.

Election years are gold for comedy writers.

[tammywammy]

87. And the actors playing the candidates

You know they're pulling for the one they play, cause that's 4 years of guaranteed character spots. :)

[EFerrari]

178. You bet!

:)

[Fox Mulder]

46. You know what they say...the truth hurts.

[Catherina]

67. That bad Tatiana? Did you Tivo it? n/t

[Cha]

166. It's brutal watching hilary out there tryin'

to set racial progress back 50 years.

[grytpype]

38. It was funny cause it was true!!!!

[redstate_democrat]

48. Damn I missed it. Where can I watch it?

[Kittycat]

55. I'm sure a twitter bug is putting it up on the tubes as we speak.

[liberalla]

112. see SNL video here:

see SNL video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE

[ChairmanAgnostic]

52. LOL! THAT was GREAT!

she had Hill down pat, lack of shame, integrity, honor, and all.

LOL, that was funny.

[Kittycat]

54. WOW! To some of the PPs I agree...

This will be in the MSM all week, and I do expect to see some serious SD movement over the next week to Obama. Like it or not, SNL just put a magnifying glass on HRCs campaign tactics (or Penn's, but does it matter at this point?) - as ugly and dirty as it is. This will be the watercooler chit-chat, and Supers are not going to want to be associated with it.

[LucyParsons]

57. My Morning Jacket rocked out, also

nt

[Kahuna]

61. Agreed. They're new to me. But they definately held my attention. nt

[Exilednight]

60. Weekend Update and not one Hillary joke. Maybe they filled their quota earlier. n/t

[BattyDem]

68. The opening sketch pretty much covered it all.

What else could they say? :shrug:

[aaaaaa5a]

66. Sadly, Perhaps The Truest Part Of The Skit....

was when they said Hillary will not campaign with "all her heart" for Obama in the fall. Deep in our gut, we know this to be true.

[scheming daemons]

70. Please someone.... post a youtube link for those of us that missed it...

[liberalla]

110. SNL youtube link

see SNL video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE

[liberalla]

75. OMG! Just saw it ! (Pacific time)

Pretty brutal. You just wonder where they get these ideas...



:sarcasm:

[Shakespeare]

78. Really? It hasn't aired on the west coast yet.

We're still an hour away from it--how'd you see it?

[liberalla]

85. I'm in Arizona and we don't go on daylight savings time, so

we are the same time you are (until everyone 'falls back' in the fall). It comes on here at 10:30pm. I assumed that was when it was on in CA, too. Sorry!

Be sure to tune in!

[ShadowLiberal]

79. This is why Hillary has to drop out of the race fast, for her own future

The skit was brutal on Hillary I'll agree, and I was expecting it after the media treatment towards Hillary.

If Hillary stays in the race until June 3rd or whenever then the media and late night comedy are going to badly damage her political future by regularly making a joke out of what a 'sore loser' she's being by not giving up.

At this point she's hurting herself much more then she's hurting Obama by not dropping out, the damage she did to Obama was done in the all the weeks after super Tuesday when she threw negative attacks at him, and aired controversial ads that will allow the GOP to say "well Hillary did something like it to Obama, why can't we".

At this point the only way Obama can lose the nomination is either him suddenly dropping dead, or something 100 times worse then the reverend wright scandal coming up and destroying Obama and his poll numbers overnight.

[PM7nj]

84. Is there a video clip of this anywhere yet?

[tammywammy]

88. It'll be on the NBC website tomorrow I'd guess

[liberalla]

111. SNL - Amy Poehler / Hillary video link

see SNL video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE

[Cha]

168. So sweet, you're postin'

it for everybody..thanks again, liberalla:)

[XOKCowboy]

89. SMACK!

I think that once again SNL hit it out of the park. It's amazing that it's the comedy shows that understand the political scene so well and the political shows (Hardball comes to mind) are turning into comedies.

[Arrowhead2k1]

90. We all know how much Hillary respects the views of SNL.

Now, let's see what she takes from this! :rofl:

[Catherina]

91. OMG. I just saw it! (West Coast) That was brilliant!

One thing I noticed is that contrary to all the hand-wringing, SNL didn't call Hillary's supporters racists. They had Hillary threatening the Democratic Party that her supporters are too racist to vote for a Black man. Like it or not, that's exactly what Hillary's message has been lately.

I want to see it again. What's taking the youtube so long?

[mystieus]

98. I was hoping one of you west coast guys would tivo a upload :(

[Catherina]

99. I don't have a TIVO :(

I keep looking for it on Youtube but it's not there yet.

They had her in the bumblebee yellow jacket and the imitation of the threats was perfect :rofl:

[liberalla]

109. SNL Amy Poehler/Hillary video:

see SNL video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE

[liberalla]

108. watch SNL here

see SNL video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE

[Dinger]

143. Calling Millions Of Democrats Racists Is "Brilliant"?

I disagree.

[rodeodance]

181. its beyond the pale yet Obama folks think its cool and are gleeful. Disgusting!

[Cieran]

191. No, but calling Dixiecrats racist is brilliant. n/t

[Major Hogwash]

93. Truth hurts, now who is going to tell Hillary to drop out - Bubba or Chelsea?

I say Bubba because he's the one that got her into this mess to begin with.

But, I don't want to sound like Chelsea can't do it, because I don't want to sound sexist.

LoL

[bhikkhu]

94. Beware of new best friends. Hillary might tell you that.

They are fine with Obama now, as they were once fine with trashing him. Its all about ratings and stupid to read anything more into it.

(I haven't really watched SNL in since Belushi left, myself - it went downhill fast).

[K Gardner]

95. I missed it, but find the outrage from SNL HILL FANS absurd. Weren't they quoting

SNL for a LONG time.. why, Hillary even quoted SNL in a debate, didn't she??

[Ice-9]

101. I watch SNL pretty regularly and have seen a lot of the classic skits as well.

Lampooning politicians is standard fare for them -- from Dubya to President Clinton to Bush pere, etc. Who doesn't remember Chevy Chase spoofing President Ford?

But I have to say, that was one of the toughest send-ups of a politician I've ever seen them do. The end went something like this: "So there you have it: I'm a sore loser, my supporters are racists, and I have absolutely no ethical standards. The choice is obvious." It was a far cry from "Bitch is the new black." I was surprised by it.

[Undercurrent]

113. Brutaly honest,

painful, and sad.

The Clinton's are the dying, sputtering embers of something that once burned so brightly. They have become caricatures of themselves.

[H2O Man]

115. Considering the history,

that must be painful for one candidate/campaign.

[Perry Logan]

118. People still watch SNL?

[AllentownJake]

124. Hillary does

Remember the debates? Selective memory.

[WeDidIt]

120. She has even lost Satruday Night Live

They were so in the tank for her they had Tina Fey BEGGING people to vote for her in Texas and Ohio!

There's no doubt. It's over.

[JVS]

126. TV Judases!

[NashVegas]

127. Someone Hacked SNL's Website

I just tried to watch the vid.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=250052

[iamthebandfanman]

128. magic magic magic magic magic magic mushroom mushroom

here comes a snaaaake!

haha

[uponit7771]

131. The site itself hasn't been hacked, someone embededd that stuff in HTML comments

[Bensthename]

129. "My supporters are racist"

Finally it was said on TV.. That is exactly what she is pushing. A disgusting campaign that was finally called on it. :puke:

[Cha]

174. You'd have to be a

"racist" to support what hilary is doing.

[workinclasszero]

130. Looks like Hillary's Rovian/racist kitchen sink strategy

has had unintended consequences, eh?

Everybody's got Hill and Bill's number now.

Its a sight to see the Clinton's legacy going down in flames right in front of our eyes.

The strangest part is its a self-inflicted wound. The vast right-wing conspiracy couldn't bring them down.

Their own ego's and sense of entitlement coupled with a lack of moral standards brought them down.

If I were the Clinton's, I'd stop their useless campaign now and save all the money they still have.

I don't see Hill or Bill getting obscene amounts of money for influence or speeches in the future.

[roseBudd]

132. She has official crossed the laughingstock threshold, what's next Baby Jane?

[cbayer]

141. The joke is on Hillary Haters.

This wasn't a Clinton hit piece, it was a parody of many of you that have posted on this thread.

Absolutely hysterical.

:rofl:

[Lilith Velkor]

207. Ain't it though?

:spray: :rofl:

[dkf]

144. Hopefully this makes her tactics unacceptable for the GOP also.

I hope SNL does a smackdown if they try this stuff.

[genna]

146. No I think Republicans will try to use the same tactics but in mailers

I doubt they would ever stand before the public and saying our base of support is white people.

[dkf]

161. Sad...what Hillary did is beyond the boundaries of even Repubs.

[Cha]

175. With hilary saying that she showed she is not

of our Democratic Party ..she' the party of bilary.

[ecstatic]

147. Just saw it. It wasn't funny--just like their Obama cartoon

wasn't funny... Just like the Morgan/Tina Fey exchange wasn't particularly funny. I don't like the way they've discussed race and this election. Their coverage generated weeks of negative attention on Barack. When they're not painting Obama to be a clueless fool, they're making Clinton out to be a heartless b*tch (don't get me wrong, I feel that way about Clinton all the time, but I'm starting to sense a different motive behind her actions--and if what I suspect is true, she doesn't deserve to be treated that way in SNL skits).

Anyway, to make a long story short--their writers are crude and mean.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLFJTc3oExE

[Cha]

176. Tough Shit. hilary's blatant in her words and

if she can't stand the heat she should just get outta the fookin' racist kitchen.

[ecstatic]

179. omg @ that sketch!!

Yeah her words were pretty disgusting. My anger has subsided for some reason though.

[Overseas]

148. And when they did that to Univision and Obama -- that was okay?

When they ran that spot about Obama getting favorable treatment, thereby trashing Univision's debate, which Hillary used again and again to intimate that the corporate media were all pro-Obama -- that was okay? I disliked both spots. The first one was dumb and insulting to Univision. The second one was dumb and insulting to Clinton. Both spots insulted the intelligence of viewers. Stupid premise. Amy Poehler's impressions were good but the scripts were very boring.

[hulka38]

149. It's called attempting to make up for being slow to recognize what most people knew a long time ago

Being behind the curve isn't good practice, especially when your so-called expertise is political satire.

[nomorewhopper]

150. hahahaha

i missed snl last night!

i'll have to check out the clips on youtube

[nomorewhopper]

156. its funny because it is true

this was a brutal skewering of the highest order

and honestly, it was well deserved. i think this season has been quite good for snl, they have been quite frank about their political discourse and have been willing to say what the msm has been afraid to say.

[SayitAintSo]

162. You guys don't get it.... they were lampooning YOU.... the Hillary haters....n/t

:rofl:

[dailykoff]

165. Who gets those "secret messages" from Camp Hilly?

Check your inbox.

:rofl:

[nomorewhopper]

172. righhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt

[EFerrari]

173. No, they're not that subtle. If they wanted to lampoon us,

they'd have a black guy, an egghead and a hippie eating sushi and sipping chardonnay. :)

[dailykoff]

164. Good, it's about time somebody did.

I watched the Amy Poehler skit on youtube and it seemed exceedingly mild. If she had actually satirized instead of reporting it could have been a lot funnier.

[crispini]

171. Holy mother of pearl! That's got to sting.

That is quite possibly the most biting comedy skit I've ever seen about a candidate. :wow:

[Kahuna]

182. I think the hit jobs they did on Obama were much worse. By far. nt

[long_green]

180. where were the jokes?

I'm an Obama voter and I didn't find that to be funny.

Mind you, I wanted it to be funny. I wanted something so funny that no one could take her seriously again. But that was so humorless that it could backfire.

[BlooInBloo]

184. According to Clinton supporters it was PRO Clinton! So they should be happy.

[nomorewhopper]

190. kicking

i bet she wants to rip amy poehler a new one after seeing that depiction

[Cha]

194. I just saw it..summary..

Amy Poehler as hilary:

"I am a Sore Loser"

"I am a racist"

"I have no ethical standards"

"Happy to play the gender card"

Pretty much everything except the pandering.

[madrchsod]

195. i thought it was lame

i loathe just about everything about hillary but i did`t think it was done very well.. yes they threw her under the bus and all that but they could have done much better

[BlooInBloo]

196. She threw herself under her own bus. SNL just re-enacted it.

[liberalla]

198. You're exactly right. She brought this on herself.

I have been shocked and disturbed watching her go lower and lower. I can't believe she chose this strategy as her supposed method to beat Obama? How could she go there? How could she have thought this was a winning strategy and would be well received? She's lost her bearings and her objectivity, in my opinion.

She's had many opportunities to pause, reevaluate and choose not to take the lowest road. The lowest road seems to be her fall-back position.

I scratch my head in bewilderment.

[jenmito]

203. kick to point out the biased MSM hasn't run this clip AT ALL!!! Remember how often

they played the PRO-Hillary clips?!

[sfam]

204. MSNBC just ran a clip from it...nt

[jenmito]

206. Just now? I've been watching MSNBC 'til 4pm and just turned to CNN. n/t

[Imagevision]

205. Hillary was doing ok and then she went back to those cookie cutter pant-suits...

for a broad who has millions she lacks the inteligence to allow someone else to dress her, Hillary; "I gotta be me" which is exactly the point the people don't like what they see... and hear.

[sfam]

208. Tweety is showing clip after clip of it now as well

[Thrill]

209. I'm still trying to figure out why a Democrat would openly bring up race like this

sad

[shomino]

211. New link in text of message:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptPiS-NhENs