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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:48 AM
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"The Clintons have never understood how to exit the stage gracefully."
Seeds of Destruction
by Bob Hebert
May 10, 2008

The Clintons have never understood how to exit the stage gracefully.

Their repertoire has always been deficient in grace and class. So there was Hillary Clinton cold-bloodedly asserting to USA Today that she was the candidate favored by “hard-working Americans, white Americans,” and that her opponent, Barack Obama, the black candidate, just can’t cut it with that crowd.

“There’s a pattern emerging here,” said Mrs. Clinton.

There is, indeed. There was a name for it when the Republicans were using that kind of lousy rhetoric to good effect: it was called the Southern strategy, although it was hardly limited to the South. Now the Clintons, in their desperation to find some way — any way — back to the White House, have leapt aboard that sorry train.

He can’t win! Don’t you understand? He’s black! He’s black!

The Clintons have been trying to embed that gruesomely destructive message in the brains of white voters and superdelegates for the longest time. It’s a grotesque insult to African-Americans, who have given so much support to both Bill and Hillary over the years.

(Representative Charles Rangel of New York, who is black and has been an absolutely unwavering supporter of Senator Clinton’s White House quest, told The Daily News: “I can’t believe Senator Clinton would say anything that dumb.”)

But it’s an insult to white voters as well, including white working-class voters. It’s true that there are some whites who will not vote for a black candidate under any circumstance. But the United States is in a much better place now than it was when people like Richard Nixon, George Wallace and many others could make political hay by appealing to the very worst in people, using the kind of poisonous rhetoric that Senator Clinton is using now.


The last time the Clintons had to make a big exit was at the end of Bill Clinton’s second term as president — and they made a complete and utter hash of that historic moment. Having survived the Monica Lewinsky ordeal, you might have thought the Clintons would be on their best behavior.

Instead, a huge scandal erupted when it became known that Mrs. Clinton’s brothers, Tony and Hugh Rodham, had lobbied the president on behalf of criminals who then received presidential pardons or a sentence commutation from Mr. Clinton.


So class is not a Clinton forte.

But it’s one thing to lack class and a sense of grace, quite another to deliberately try and wreck the presidential prospects of your party’s likely nominee — and to do it in a way that has the potential to undermine the substantial racial progress that has been made in this country over many years.

The Clintons should be ashamed of themselves. But they long ago proved to the world that they have no shame.


Yet another reason that Clinton should be forced to drop her bid for President (or Vice President) immediately.
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:51 AM
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1. kick
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:52 AM
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2. Love your graphic!
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:53 AM
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4. Thanks :) , That's what Obama means to me. Feel free to use it.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:53 AM
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3. K&R! n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:55 AM
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5. Forced at gunpoint if necessary.
Edited on Sun May-11-08 12:56 AM by Jim Sagle
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:59 AM
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6. The only time I haven't believed John Edwards is when
he tried to gloss over the damage that Clinton is doing right now on Morning Joe, iirc, Friday. He said Hillary cares so much about this country and that's what moves her. Unbelievable, and I think less of him for saying that.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:15 AM
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11. Oh wow. I missed that comment.
That is disappointing.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:54 AM
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27. Funny... I consider his lying a pattern, which is why I never liked him.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:25 PM
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34. I never had a "belly flipping" moment listening to him until Friday.
And, it could be I'm wrong and that he had some legit reason for saying what he said. He did praise Clinton quite a bit during the interview. It's hard to know what to think except that he wants to stay neutral so his new program gets a good start with the new administration no matter who heads it up.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:00 AM
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7. I am starting to wonder why I should like Obama, but gun point
What kind of comment is that ? This is a race to be the nominee of the Democratic party not the Republican party.
I am not sure I want to vote for anyone with comments like this going on in this forum. That is just simply wrong, just wrong!
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:12 AM
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9. You're going to let one person's comment that you don't agree with decide your vote?
No, you're too smart for that.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:25 AM
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13. That is a Hillary supporter you're reacting to - just so you know
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:58 AM
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28. Is fake sniper fire
more palatable to you?
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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:11 AM
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8. I disagree with this guy's opinion.
Edited on Sun May-11-08 01:12 AM by Bethany Rockafella
At the convention when Gore was nominated, Clinton did his walkdown to the stage, the crowd erupted with applause. He had a very high approval rating at that time.

What has this board turned into? IhatetheClintonsundergrounddotcom?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:14 AM
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10. I used to love the Clintons. The Clintons that I thought I knew.
But I, like many, feel we were duped. That wasn't really the Clintons - what we've seen the past few months are the real Bill and Hillary. And I want nothing whatsoever to do with them.

And, I'm wondering - when did the news break about the Rodham brothers being paid for pardons? I honestly don't remember - does anyone here know?
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:50 AM
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19. well, when you join a cult, you often have to give up past relationships.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:02 AM
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23. Wow, you're still using the cultist meme?
That died about 2 months ago.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:32 AM
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32. thats why you have given up on the democrats then?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:39 PM
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37. Oh honey, give it up. He won, she lost, and tired and rude rhetoric won't change that.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:17 AM
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12. No, people have finally begun to see Bill Clinton for what he really was.

He was an enabler of Republican policy - NAFTA, DOMA, MDCA along with all the other nonsense that the DLC put forward. Plus Don't ask don't tell and welfare "Reform".


Eight great years? Not so much.


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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:37 AM
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15. If you include DADT in that list
it shows you don't know the history of it.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:59 AM
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22. oh my golly! you mean he wasn't perfect like Saint Obama? get ready for some serious dissapointment,
kiddo; it's called reality; sometimes presidents have to make compromises. no wonder you people get called clueless wide-eyed cultists. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS NEVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING YOU DON'T LIKE????!!!!!!! jeezus f. christ, grow up already.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:45 AM
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25. Well, your handle says it all.
I don't need to hear from a person whose only requirement for President is to have the correct number of chromosomes.

Off to the ignore list with you.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:35 PM
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36. Clinton did more in that respect than any Democrat expected him to do
All politicians do things I don't like - and all Presidents make compromises - I totally understand that.

But I'm way too old to take as given the bullshit that Bill Clinton was a great president. He wasn't. He was however a DINO and an opportunist foisted on the party by the DLC and the other centrists.

I'm certain that Obama will make compromises I won't like, but I have a strong sense that he will stand up to the DINO's and the Republican far more than Hillary would.

I was an Edwards supporter and object to being called a "clueless wide-eyed cultist". That seems to be the marker of those who are supporting HIllary because of her chromosomes.

So, if you can't frame an argument without resorting to name calling, I suggest that you STFU.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:40 PM
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38. I'm quite sure President Obama will do several things I disagree with.
Because I am a reality-based person who votes with logic and reason. I know that NO politician will ever do and say everything I want them to because that's life.
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:26 AM
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14. K&R N/T
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:39 AM
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16. I'm waiting for her to do her Nixonesque "you won't have Clinton to kick around anymore."
that kind of graceless exit.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:40 AM
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17. Please leave a forwarding address!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:41 AM
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18. I just watched the Saturday Night Live segment. They did a brilliant
opening on the racism in Hillary's threats and her refusal to exit the stage gracefully. What perfect timing.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:55 AM
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20. the way Obama supporters have thrown the clintons under the bus will come back to kick them in the a
ass, and it will further weaken the democratic party. don't think that rank and file democrats and independents don't see how one of the best presidents in american history was treated by a man (and his supporters) who will be lucky if he is ever 1/100th of the president bill clinton was.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 03:57 AM
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21. Then it's strange that "rank and file Democrats" are endorsing Obama, huh?
I wonder why that is, if what you say is true. Does that make sense to you?
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 04:05 AM
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24. i was talking about voters, not pols; and clearly there has never been a shortage of clinton-haters
anywhere, whether within the repub party or the dem party. when average GE dem voters see a president they liked being slandered and smeared by a still wet-behind-the ears half-term senator from illinois, they might get a little disgusted. in case you forgot, bill clinton left office with over 60% favorability.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:24 AM
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31. Bill's own favorability has dropped 10 points recently, wonder why?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:09 PM
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33. Bill Clinton has damaged himself and not for the first time.
He better be the Comeback Kid in order to repair the erosion of his legacy.

That you blame others for what he himself did proves who the real cultist is on this thread. No one threw the Clintons anywhere. They crawled into the sewer on their own steam. Posters here defended them and excused them for months until they threw US away -- with our grassroots activism and our big turnouts and our MoveOn memberships, our eggheadedness and black votishness.

lol

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:42 PM
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39. The Clintons have NO ONE to blame but themselves. And those "rank & file Democrats"
have been thrown under the bus by Hillary time and again. Read a newspaper or a news site once and while before you post, would ya?
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 08:48 AM
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26. Yeah, damn that Bill Clinton for not resigning in disgrace! n/t
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:19 AM
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30. Damn is right. If had, we would've had PRESIDENT GORE.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 09:00 AM
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29. here's an article from vanity fair
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 12:30 PM
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35. And, they're leaving a trail of slime on the stage this time.
One that, hopefully, won't be washed away by faux calls for "unity" and denials of race-baiting, red-scares, and flagwaving, blustering, "toughness".
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