It's not going to the convention. period. Why?

[cali]

Hillary doesn't have the resources to push it that far. Obama now needs only 160 delegates to get to 2025. He'll pick up at least another 75 delegates in the remaining primaries, leaving him needing only about 85 SDs to put him over the top. Anyone who thinks MI will be settled to heavily favor Hillary, isn't in touch with reality, and even if FL is settled precisely as it voted, that won't give Hillary what she needs. It's very likely that Obama already has enough SDs to put him over the top. We're seeing a steady stream of SD endorsements for him. This won't abate because he loses WV on Tuesday.

Party leaders- and that certainly includes the vast majority of SDs do NOT want this going until August. They'll endorse Obama in sufficient numbers to prevent it.

Well, what if Hillary doesn't accept it? What if she keeps going after Obama reaches 2025? There's only the slightest possibility of that happening. She doesn't have the funding to keep going under those circumstances. And she'll become nothing but the butt of jokes and a pariah to the SDs. Many of her own SDs will bail. She can't keep running a shadow campaign for 2+ months. It's just not feasible.

The convention will be what it usually is; a coronation, and an event to forge party unity.

[H2O Man]

1. I agree.

This will come to an end within a few weeks, at most.

[cornermouse]

2. Who are you going to forge party unity with?

Other already known Obama supporters?

[AllentownJake]

3. Like it or not

The elected Hillary officials will rally around Obama. They want his money and in most cases his help when he does his campaigning in their states.

[cornermouse]

8. And how many votes will that get you in the G.E.?

And how much real life traction do you think the "who else can they vote for?" under its various guises and causes get with alienated Hillary voters, especially given the combination of the tactics the Obama supporters have used here and elsewhere on the web and the conflict between the statements Obama has made in less publicized venues and his more publicized statements and website?

Statements that if Obama loses, it's all Hillary's fault are not exactly unfamiliar with women and won't win any brownie points or votes either.

[AllentownJake]

12. Now I'm sick of this shit

Your candidate lost fair and square. Don't like the rules. Should have been working to change them before the primaries started. I'm sick and tired of all the whining and threats you guys are lobbing...the white voters memo was the last of it.

We've endured alot of bullshit from the other side since this started

From Iowa doesn't count to Caucuses are undemocratic to the MI and FL nonsense to endorsing John McCain's expereince and now this white voter bullshit. We are fucking sick of her shit. She has run one of the dirtiest race baiting democratic primary campaigns in history and despite your hope of hopes come 2012 if Obama loses...Obama's supporters will still be here and we'll make sure that she is eliminated before Super Tuesday this time. So if that is your hope a restoration in 2012 better keep hoping.

We are pissed off at the threats and the blatant race baiting right now.

To quote Obi Wan Kenobi....You did this to yourself.

[Bright Eyes]

14. If I could rec your post, I would.

:thumbsup:

[AllentownJake]

16. I've been on better than usual behavior lately

However, They've had 4 days...they are getting worse not better.

[Lisa0825]

32. ME TOO!!!

:yourock:

[SKKY]

15. Yea! What Jake said!

:thumbsup:

[cboy4]

21. Jake, you really should consider a sedative.

You're so angry at witnessing democracy in action.

[sniffa]

24. Word

:thumbsup:

So many fucking martyrs on here.

[JVS]

31. If only it were possible to reccomend that post

[backscatter712]

33. Damned straight.

I've held my tongue the past few days myself.

But I'm getting damned sick of the abuse from the Clintonistas.

Your candidate's already lost. She's been checkmated fair and square.

Why don't you put your big girl panties on and deal with it.

If you want to put a Democrat in the White House, then you're gonna have to support Obama. Grow up and suck it up. My pity for you ends now.

If you want four more years of war, damage to the economy and lack of health care and so on, if you want to vote against your own self interests, then go to McCain. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

[Cha]

40. I'm recommending that everyone reads

your post, too! Your words verbalized it for me, too, Jake! :toast:

[Demit]

18. I hope alienated Hillary voters can keep their eyes on the prize: a Democratic win in November.

If they do not support the Democratic candidate based on what his SUPPORTERS did, or said, during a primary campaign—well, I despair of people who let such petty things motivate them in serious decisions. I mean, it's really sad. The next president will be nominating at least two Supreme Court justices, which, if they are as conservative (and as young) as Roberts and Alito, will set the makeup of the court for the rest of most of our lives. Goodbye Roe v. Wade. What are 'brownie points' next to that?

[cornermouse]

27. It's what he says when he thinks the reporters and cameras aren't there. n/t

[Demit]

28. Oh okay. That's a persuasive counterargument to a fifty-year-long conservative Supreme Court.

Whatever it is that you're referring to, but aren't bothering to name, I can't wait to hear you make the argument four or eight or twelve years from now: "Well sure, we have a hyperconservative Supreme Court that continues to support the rights of corporations over the rights of citizens; and sure we have a Supreme Court that is allowing religious arguments to dominate the public discourse, that has made it increasingly difficult for women to terminate pregnancies; BUT DON'T YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE SAID AT THAT FUNDRAISER? Aren't you pleased we didn't elect somebody who SAID that?"

[tblue37]

37. And let's not forget what HILLARY said when she was in

private meetings with big donors. She denigrated the activists in the party and she slammed Moveon.org.

Meanwhile, Obama correctly said that many working class voters are bitter about being screwed by both parties after being manipulated for their votes.

He apologized for not wording his point more carefully. She has not apologized for anything--including her appalling "white voters" remarks the other day.

[Terran]

29. Which is what?

Do tell us.

[MagickMuffin]

20. Obama has the Ground Game in action

He has organized a campaign that WILL GOTV. So, if the Hillary supporters prefer to sit it out or vote for McCaineyBush then I won't stop you, it's your choice. However, you will only have yourself to blame.

I will work to make sure we GET the VOTES we need for the GE, because the Democratic Party NEEDS to win the White House, Congress and the Senate. No ifs ands or butts.

What are your plans for November?.?.?

It's YOUR choice to be part of the problem or part of the solution. The Choice is YOURS, not MINE.

[tblue37]

35. I am a woman. I am 57 years old and white. Supposedly that

would place me right smack in Hillary's demographic, though I do have three degrees, so I overlap a bit with Obama's demographic.

My point is that I am supporting Obama, not Hillary. This noise that having Obama as our candidate is going to turn off women voters, older voters, and white voters is just nonsense.

[cali]

4. Hillary will help bring her supporters to Obama

and conventions are almost always excercises in bringing factions together. I don't know how successful it will be, but there will be a show of party unity at the convention.

[cornermouse]

10. I think Obama's going to have to move hard to the right

almost immediately and try to get disaffected republican/conservative voters. Looking at it from a tactical standpoint, that takes voters away from McCain as well as adds voters to his column. Look for Obama to go even further to the right. He doesn't need the middle class.

[shadowknows69]

26. He'll get the middle class

They stand to get a nice tax break from a President Obama, and cheaper health care and their family members home from Iraq, etc. etc.

[shadowknows69]

25. Real Democrats will vote for our nominee

[mudesi]

36. If Hillary supporters can't get on board, then they can leave

We don't need them.

[WeDidIt]

5. You're way conservative.

He'll pick up at least 100 out of 217 delegates remaining.

[dansolo]

22. And that is not counting the Hillary defections

Some have already publicly said that they will back the pledged delegate leader. Once he reaches the majority of pledged delegates, she will start losing more of her supers.

[indimuse]

6. but it is. period!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjBeVYvMOwc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgWLtY6AVTs

for many reasons!

[cali]

7. With what money? What's she going to do

run with practically no staff? Lend herself another 10 million that she won't get back? Become America's laughing stock, as Obama picks a VP, is acknowledged by even Clinton stalwarts as the nominee.

Do you really want to see Hillary completely humiliated? Because that's the only thing that would happen.

[Leopolds Ghost]

19. Hmm... do you really want an answer to that question? ;-)

[Window]

9. You wanna bet?

[vi5]

11. Well, if a woman standing in front of a closet says so

on Youtube......I'm convinced!

[ima_sinnic]

17. yeah? bring it on! I'd love to make that train wreck official, so we won't be hearing from her again

what makes you think, even if she "brings it to the convention," that she'll be any more successful in her pathetic desperation than she has been up to now? You think all the delegates are going to magically switch over to her just because she "brought it to the convention" and can pout and stamp her feet and cajole and whine louder than anybody?

The Clintons are soooo last millennium. The world is ready for a change, and that means no more NAFTA-loving, war mongering, neocon-enabling, country-obliterating, dirty backroom-dealing low-roader dynasties.

[AllentownJake]

30. You guys keep this up

and you won't get your candidate on stage at the real convention...btw that was a tactic we didn't come up with. You can thank Bill for that idea for what he did to Jerry Brown in 1992.

[barack the house]

13. Plus the campaign has lost the media they have no patience to cover Democrats till that time....

THey now see we got the best publicity we could of ever hoped for with the longevity of the race.

[WeDidIt]

23. The ratings have slid on the Democratic Soap Opera

so they've stopped propping up Hillary because they know the ratings will be in the GE race now.

[bvar22]

34. I agree.

Hillary and Bill have already made themselves fodder for Late Night Commedians and Political Cartoonists, not to mention SNL.
The longer he/she stays in it, the worse it will get.

[Skwmom]

38. She would LOSE in the general election if she won the nomination at convention.

She has no desire to take it to the convention. They only espouse that lie so that she can later say for the good of the party I'm not taking it to the convention. She only wants to stay in long enough to negatively define Obama for the general election.

[Tatiana]

39. This will go to the convention.

But by that time it will be a spectacle and source of laughter for most Dems.

No one is going to stand up for her. Not Dean, not Schumer, not Pelosi, not Reid, not Hoyer, not Rangel, not Boxer, not Durbin, not anyone.

She's going to be standing there alone. There are no more favors to call in. And, in the process, she's going to make it very difficult to return to the Senate and foster a working relationship with her colleagues.